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Seattle's new minimum wage hasn't raised retail prices

As I recall it was "STICK IT TO THE RICH!"

AKA economic justice

JURY IS OUT
Ah the irony, they raise the minimum wage to help the least among us,
but all the increase fattens the wallets of the rental property owners.
(I also think retail prices have gone up, but the increase was likely masked by a decrease in energy prices.)
The last time this topic came up, I was thinking,
What about the person who has been working hard for 5 years, and promoted to finally make $15 a hour,
and soon any flunky walking in the door will get the same!
Will they increase the wages of the 5 year employee to match his older level?
 
Rents are not going up because of the minimum wage, that's the point. Rents go up anyway. The cost of housing depends on supply and demand.

Perhaps, but it sure seems odd that the rent seems to be going up almost the same as the pay!
At some point the rents will reach a critical threshold, where people start making other choices.
The pay increase moves that threshold higher.
 
Ah the irony, they raise the minimum wage to help the least among us,
but all the increase fattens the wallets of the rental property owners.
(I also think retail prices have gone up, but the increase was likely masked by a decrease in energy prices.)
The last time this topic came up, I was thinking,
What about the person who has been working hard for 5 years, and promoted to finally make $15 a hour,
and soon any flunky walking in the door will get the same!
Will they increase the wages of the 5 year employee to match his older level?

Somehow I figure you a failing to factor in how much of the rent increases flow directly to the government through property taxes, which are going up fast, for instance to pay for Sound Transit, who are rolling in money, but sad to say they are not managed very well.

FAT AND LAZY.





BTW: Did you hear that there is a national underground railroad to funnel the nations unwanted pets to PNW no kill shelters?

And you know we are a homeless lifestyle mecca now too.

I wunder about sustainability.
 
Somehow I figure you a failing to factor in how much of the rent increases flow directly to the government through property taxes, which are going up fast, for instance to pay for Sound Transit, who are rolling in money, but sad to say they are not managed very well.

FAT AND LAZY.





BTW: Did you hear that there is a national underground railroad to funnel the nations unwanted pets to PNW no kill shelters?

And you know we are a homeless lifestyle mecca now too.

I wunder about sustainability.
There does seem to be a pattern of taxing authorities with too much money, and how sloppy they are at spending it.
 
There does seem to be a pattern of taxing authorities with too much money, and how sloppy they are at spending it.

For years I thought Sound Transit was great....then I found out otherwise.

Seattle is going to be disappointed as the system ages.

I am a transit expert according to me.

:2wave:
 
For years I thought Sound Transit was great....then I found out otherwise.

Seattle is going to be disappointed as the system ages.

I am a transit expert according to me.

:2wave:
What we have in Houston is a bit of a joke.
When they finally did some rail, they made it on grade, something other transit systems learned
not to do a century earlier.
They have good HOV/Bus lanes, but most are not bidirectional, so the buses take longer to complete a circuit.
 
Perhaps, but it sure seems odd that the rent seems to be going up almost the same as the pay!
At some point the rents will reach a critical threshold, where people start making other choices.
The pay increase moves that threshold higher.

Longview, the federal minimum wage rate greater bolsters lower and lesser bolsters higher wage scales; it does to some extent bolster all USA labor compensation; it’s not among the primary causes, but is certainly a victim of U.S. dollar’s inflation.

Of course scarcity of labor pool to fill any jobs will have greater (than the minimum’s) effects upon those jobs’ wage scales. The minimum’s effects upon products’ prices is greater for those prices reflecting greater proportions of aggregate labor costs and/or greater proportions of costs due to lower wage labor.

A minimum rate of greater purchasing power bolsters the values of labor performed within the nation and the nation’s tax revenues.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
Perhaps, but it sure seems odd that the rent seems to be going up almost the same as the pay!
At some point the rents will reach a critical threshold, where people start making other choices.
The pay increase moves that threshold higher.
In other news, the folks in Seattle keep buying umbrellas, and it just keeps raining. Clearly, widespread possession of umbrellas makes it rain, just as a higher minimum wage results in higher rents. It's quite obvious.
 
In other news, the folks in Seattle keep buying umbrellas, and it just keeps raining. Clearly, widespread possession of umbrellas makes it rain, just as a higher minimum wage results in higher rents. It's quite obvious.
Humor aside, the cause and effect of a higher minimum wage and the increase in rents may have more in common.
From the landlords perspective, how much rent should they charge?
If they are honest about their answer, it is as much as the market will bare!
But the story may not end there, because of the property taxes, who may also set their rate
based on, as much as the market will bare!
Property-tax bills in King County are among the nation?s highest ? and growing fast | The Seattle Times
At least some of the increase in rent is not the greedy landlords, but taxes increasing.
Renters don’t escape the impact. Landlords facing stiffer tax bills say they have passed the costs on to tenants,
helping increase rents even more.
Henrik Straub, who owns a small apartment building in northwest Seattle,
just got slapped with a 25 percent property-tax bump for that property,
or an extra $10,000 a year, because of new taxes and a huge jump in its assessed value.
 
Pretty useless info, it's too soon, get with me in five years and when we do we need to talk about a lot more things than cost of goods, like for instance number of jobs and the health of the companies.

the question is what have they done to offset the cost already.
that has to be taken into account. they could have set the offsets last year to prep for it.

that is how they usually work.
 
Humor aside, the cause and effect of a higher minimum wage and the increase in rents may have more in common.
From the landlords perspective, how much rent should they charge?
If they are honest about their answer, it is as much as the market will bare!
But the story may not end there, because of the property taxes, who may also set their rate
based on, as much as the market will bare!
Property-tax bills in King County are among the nation?s highest ? and growing fast | The Seattle Times
At least some of the increase in rent is not the greedy landlords, but taxes increasing.

I'm sure property taxes area factor, as are real estate prices. Bottom line: rent, like anything else, depends on supply and demand. Lots of people want to live in Seattle, so the demand is high, so the rents are high as well. The same applies in lots of major cities.
 
Longview, the federal minimum wage rate greater bolsters lower and lesser bolsters higher wage scales; it does to some extent bolster all USA labor compensation; it’s not among the primary causes, but is certainly a victim of U.S. dollar’s inflation.

Of course scarcity of labor pool to fill any jobs will have greater (than the minimum’s) effects upon those jobs’ wage scales. The minimum’s effects upon products’ prices is greater for those prices reflecting greater proportions of aggregate labor costs and/or greater proportions of costs due to lower wage labor.

A minimum rate of greater purchasing power bolsters the values of labor performed within the nation and the nation’s tax revenues.

Respectfully, Supposn

The federal minimum wage (and any local minimum wages) eject anyone from the labor market whose skills are worth less than the stated minimum. A strong minimum wage renders many teenagers completely unemployable. If you look into the racist history of the minimum wage you'll see its strongest proponents saw the labor market impacts as a *feature* - the minimum wage would ensure that immigrants and minorities stayed out of the labor market because their skill levels did not justify the price under a high minimum wage.

If you want to maximize national purchasing power you want as many people working as possible, which means market wages, not price controls.
 
The federal minimum wage (and any local minimum wages) eject anyone from the labor market whose skills are worth less than the stated minimum. A strong minimum wage renders many teenagers completely unemployable. If you look into the racist history of the minimum wage you'll see its strongest proponents saw the labor market impacts as a *feature* - the minimum wage would ensure that immigrants and minorities stayed out of the labor market because their skill levels did not justify the price under a high minimum wage.

If you want to maximize national purchasing power you want as many people working as possible, which means market wages, not price controls.

Judicator1, the young do not remain young, but too often the poor remain poor. To the extent that people do not or cannot acquire, improve, and keep current their skills and knowledge, they’re likely to remain among the working poor.

The minimum wage rate does not affect all wage rates equally; it’s of greater benefit to those earning the lowest rates and of lesser benefit to those earning the highest rates, but it is of some benefit to ALL employees.

Employment is less meaningful if the wage rate is less meaningful. Government social welfare programs, (including education and training) is preferable to widespread poverty due to wage rate’s racing to the bottom.
I don’t know what you consider to be “national purchasing power”. I consider the nation that achieves and sustains the greater median wage per capita of their population, has achieved a superior economy.

Some other nations' minimum-rates are somewhat reduced for youths just entering the labor market; The USA has begun to do the same but thus far it has not perceivably increased jobs for youths.
Unlike the USA, some nations tolerate lesser than their nation’s minimum rate IF the employee is participating within a RECOGNIZED on-the-job training program with reasonable prospects of earning much more in the future.

If there were no federal minimum rate, the purchasing powers of ALL wages would generally be less and less qualified worker could find work for wage rates of the most drastically lesser purchasing powers. Full employment at poverty wage rates would degrade rather than improve our nation’s economy.

The minimum wage rate is a legally enforced minimum, it does not regulate wages. We have minimum health codes, fire codes, building codes, and zoning codes. You’re free to build what you want, but not free to degrade or endanger others because you perceive an opportunity to profit by doing so.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
The federal minimum wage (and any local minimum wages) eject anyone from the labor market whose skills are worth less than the stated minimum. ...

Judicator1, many employers believe their low-wage employees do not earn the wages they’re paying; but they continue to retain those employees. They’re not altruistic; they realize it would be net detrimental to their enterprises if they did otherwise.

Opponents of the minimum wage rate point out that a higher minimum rate accelerates automation. I’m aware of automation’s lesser per-unit production costs and/or other improvements due to automation have been net beneficial to our nation.
To the extent that a lesser minimum rate delays or otherwise hinders automation in the USA, that lesser rate has additionally been net detrimental to our nation’s economic and social wellbeing.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
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