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The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds

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From the Guardian: The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds

Does the American dream exist? Or has the middle class ruined it by hoarding opportunity on a scale that makes even the infamous one-percenters appear harmless and ineffectual?

That’s the question economics professor and Brookings Institution fellow Richard Reeves has set out to answer, and his findings are worrying: the top echelons of the US middle class – those earning over $120,000 – are separating from the rest of the US, and pulling up the drawbridge behind them.

“The upper middle class families have become greenhouses for the cultivation of human capital. Children raised in them are on a different track to ordinary Americans, right from the very beginning,” he writes.

The upper middle class are “opportunity hoarding” – making it harder for others less economically privileged to rise to the top; a situation that Reeves says places stress on the efficiency of the US economic system and creates dynastic wealth and privilege of the kind the nation’s fathers sought to avoid.

“The US labor market is mostly meritocratic and not some kind of medieval cartel,” Reeves told the Guardian, “but it’s what happens before that that is unfair.” The problem, he says, is that people enter the race with very different levels of preparation.

“Kids from more affluent backgrounds are entering the contest massively well prepared, while kids from less affluent backgrounds are not. The well-prepared kids win, and everybody pretends to themselves it’s a meritocracy,” he says.

Reeves believes we have to think much earlier about equality of opportunity, including the way the education system, labor and housing markets work. Without reform, society continues with a system that replicates inequality, he argues.

For proof of enduring discrimination that starts in the cradle, Reeves, a former Guardian journalist, looks to the persistent inequality of wealth distribution. He observes that there has been very little change in income distribution of the bottom 80% over the past 30 years. The action, he says, takes place in the upper 20%, who “are pulling away”.

“It’s true that the top 1% are pulling away even faster, but they are a constantly changing group with a lot of circulation in and out of it. On terms of their effect, the top 1% aren’t really a big enough group to have much of an effect.” The problem, he says, is that upper middle class are able to point to the 1% as the problem: “It’s those rich bastards up there.”

“‘We are the 99%’ turned out to be an incredibly unhelpful slogan, because it allowed the person in the 98th percentile to convince themselves in they’re really in it together with the person in the 50th or 20th. But that’s empirically wrong, because it’s not where the inequality is, and morally wrong because the upper 20% have actually been doing pretty well,” he says.

In Reeves’ estimation, the failure to address the issue correctly has led to fundamental misunderstandings. While many agree that the rich should pay more in taxes, no one is willing to admit they are rich. “We need to be honest that the inequality problem does not kick in at 99%, but much earlier than that.”

Once again, America's problem of Income Disparity is rearing its ugly head in the news. This was brought about by Reckless Ronnie, in the 1980s, who fundamentally changed Upper-income Taxation. (See infographic here.)

Aside from changing taxation rates, what is definitively required is Hillary's platform promise (borrowed from Bernie) that free Tertiary Education must be made available to all comers at state schools by means of Federal subventions ...
 
From the Guardian: The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds



Once again, America's problem of Income Disparity is rearing its ugly head in the news. This was brought about by Reckless Ronnie, in the 1980s, who fundamentally changed Upper-income Taxation. (See infographic here.)

Aside from changing taxation rates, what is definitively required is Hillary's platform promise (borrowed from Bernie) that free Tertiary Education must be made available to all comers at state schools by means of Federal subventions ...

another post from you that doesn't understand how our economy or banking system works.
Income disparity is nothing more than an appeal to emotion argument.

college education =/= success or a lot of money.

it is a stepping stone for some people. it takes a bit more.
making it free will not improve it.

companies now are looking for people with master degree's.
 
From the Guardian: The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds



Once again, America's problem of Income Disparity is rearing its ugly head in the news. This was brought about by Reckless Ronnie, in the 1980s, who fundamentally changed Upper-income Taxation. (See infographic here.)

Aside from changing taxation rates, what is definitively required is Hillary's platform promise (borrowed from Bernie) that free Tertiary Education must be made available to all comers at state schools by means of Federal subventions ...

It has happened for a lot more reasons than that.....or really only one..... the wealth holders have over a couple generations generated a system that serves their interests, and no one elses.
 
From the Guardian: The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds



Once again, America's problem of Income Disparity is rearing its ugly head in the news. This was brought about by Reckless Ronnie, in the 1980s, who fundamentally changed Upper-income Taxation. (See infographic here.)

Aside from changing taxation rates, what is definitively required is Hillary's platform promise (borrowed from Bernie) that free Tertiary Education must be made available to all comers at state schools by means of Federal subventions ...

More BS about blaming federal income taxation rates for some very poor schools funded at the state and local level. The good news about federal income tax cuts is that leaves the pot ripe for more skimming at the state and local level for those that believe (lack of?) funding is the cause of poor performing public schools.

IMHO, the public educational systems suffer from using a (union?) certification and seniority based pay/retention system rather than using a (non-union?) job performance based pay/retention system. I fully agree with the OP link's author that preparation and training are essential to upward mobility opportunity. Where we differ is at which levels of government that the proposed changes (better education and broader access to it) should be made.
 
It has happened for a lot more reasons than that.....or really only one..... the wealth holders have over a couple generations generated a system that serves their interests, and no one elses.

If I got a job in a mill at say ten dollars per hour and worked sixty hours a week, or 40 hours at $15 although you would get overtime and you worked yourself into a higher tax bracket throwing wrenches in your causal stream. This is not even thirty thousand per year, how can I live anywhere and save for college? Then for thirty thousand I can sit at a desk or something, but instead of saving money for college the tax code says I should get married, buy a house, have children, overpopulate the Earth to grow to pay the Debt.

The liberal media reported, "incomes rose," does this mean CEO's got more money?

This means that you are responsible to sort out the bias.
 
If I got a job in a mill at say ten dollars per hour and worked sixty hours a week, or 40 hours at $15 although you would get overtime and you worked yourself into a higher tax bracket throwing wrenches in your causal stream. This is not even thirty thousand per year, how can I live anywhere and save for college? Then for thirty thousand I can sit at a desk or something, but instead of saving money for college the tax code says I should get married, buy a house, have children, overpopulate the Earth to grow to pay the Debt.

The liberal media reported, "incomes rose," does this mean CEO's got more money?

This means that you are responsible to sort out the bias.

A mill job should be a good job, not a min wage job, if it is not we have gone so very wrong.
 
From the Guardian: The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds



Once again, America's problem of Income Disparity is rearing its ugly head in the news. This was brought about by Reckless Ronnie, in the 1980s, who fundamentally changed Upper-income Taxation. (See infographic here.)

Aside from changing taxation rates, what is definitively required is Hillary's platform promise (borrowed from Bernie) that free Tertiary Education must be made available to all comers at state schools by means of Federal subventions ...

The EU is having much the same situation. I'm thinking it's a result of that "global economy" crap.

But don't worry, Trump knows the deal...he's on it. He knows the best solution to that situation is more of a "Main Street" focused economy and less of a "Wall Street" focus. That'll cause more jobs and higher wages for the middle class.

Let not your heart be troubled.
 
A mill job should be a good job, not a min wage job, if it is not we have gone so very wrong.

I was talking about when I went to school, student loans were cheap then too and so was tuition and housing,

Yes the market is all screwed up, I want to work sixty hours a week and then do something else sixty hours a week and then come back and do whatever, but where is the labor market for this? And housing for people that want to save money, do we have to wait till we're all crammed like sardines into little rooms out of necessity like the Chinese? This is job security; having several places you can work at.
 
I was talking about when I went to school, student loans were cheap then too and so was tuition and housing,

Yes the market is all screwed up, I want to work sixty hours a week and then do something else sixty hours a week and then come back and do whatever, but where is the labor market for this? And housing for people that want to save money, do we have to wait till we're all crammed like sardines into little rooms out of necessity like the Chinese? This is job security; having several places you can work at.

Markets increasingly do not work, and this system is increasingly crap at putting capital in places where it can work for the greater good.

Even worse very few people care how poorly our economy works, or that it is getting worse, even now.

Which is how we know that the economic system is dying.
 
Markets increasingly do not work, and this system is increasingly crap at putting capital in places where it can work for the greater good.

Even worse very few people care how poorly our economy works, or that it is getting worse, even now.

Which is how we know that the economic system is dying.

Ya, we just about shot her in the head not handing Al Gore Bill Clinton's surplus and booming economy and now Trump instead of the crispy Hillary Clinton, with over triple the debt instead of debt paid and savings.

But she won't die, no, Trump will just wreak his havoc on the Republican Party (let's prove it in 2018) and then we'll have somebody else.
 
Ya, we just about shot her in the head not handing Al Gore Bill Clinton's surplus and booming economy and now Trump instead of the crispy Hillary Clinton, with over triple the debt instead of debt paid and savings.

But she won't die, no, Trump will just wreak his havoc on the Republican Party (let's prove it in 2018) and then we'll have somebody else.

Trump amounts to little more than a footnote in the story.

Do you have Trump on the Brain syndrome?
 
From the Guardian: The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds



Once again, America's problem of Income Disparity is rearing its ugly head in the news. This was brought about by Reckless Ronnie, in the 1980s, who fundamentally changed Upper-income Taxation. (See infographic here.)

Aside from changing taxation rates, what is definitively required is Hillary's platform promise (borrowed from Bernie) that free Tertiary Education must be made available to all comers at state schools by means of Federal subventions ...

Explain why income inequality, in and of itself, is a problem.
 
Explain why income inequality, in and of itself, is a problem.

Because once we get educated we understand that inequality always works to weaken the glue that holds societies together, and we know that our glue is already very very weak, that we cant stand any more of this.

But it is getting worse.

Inequality that is.

:bomb:
 
Because once we get educated we understand that inequality always works to weaken the glue that holds societies together, and we know that our glue is already very very weak, that we cant stand any more of this.

But it is getting worse.

Inequality that is.

:bomb:

Educated people understand how simplistic, and largely ahistorical, this reasoning is.
 
Trump amounts to little more than a footnote in the story.

Do you have Trump on the Brain syndrome?

I'm not sure what you mean, but most certainly not.

The convergence (2020-2026) marks the beginning of decline of oil production, gas goes I don't know when and phosphorous runs out by the end of the century all we'll have is coal for a little while maybe, I don't know. We seem to be doing OK on renewable and pretty soon they're going to start looking for an asteroid with high phosphorus.

Why should the economy be dying? They said this back in the seventies.
 
From the Guardian: The American dream? Top 20% pulling away from the rest, study finds



Once again, America's problem of Income Disparity is rearing its ugly head in the news. This was brought about by Reckless Ronnie, in the 1980s, who fundamentally changed Upper-income Taxation. (See infographic here.)

Aside from changing taxation rates, what is definitively required is Hillary's platform promise (borrowed from Bernie) that free Tertiary Education must be made available to all comers at state schools by means of Federal subventions ...

A good place to start would be on the road to equity would be taxing capital gains as ordinary income.:2wave:
 
I'm not sure what you mean, but most certainly not.

The convergence (2020-2026) marks the beginning of decline of oil production, gas goes I don't know when and phosphorous runs out by the end of the century all we'll have is coal for a little while maybe, I don't know. We seem to be doing OK on renewable and pretty soon they're going to start looking for an asteroid with high phosphorus.

Why should the economy be dying? They said this back in the seventies.

We were supposed be out of oil 20 years ago but we keep finding more and keep getting better at getting it out of the ground and we know that the economy is dying because it it increasingly does not work for humans and increasingly only functions if large amounts of new debt is added...which is not sustainable.
 
We were supposed be out of oil 20 years ago but we keep finding more and keep getting better at getting it out of the ground and we know that the economy is dying because it it increasingly does not work for humans.
but you just said we have more cheap energy than ever? the cheap energy is used by humans-right? This is a good thing-right?
 
We were supposed be out of oil 20 years ago but we keep finding more and keep getting better at getting it out of the ground and we know that the economy is dying because it it increasingly does not work for humans and increasingly only functions if large amounts of new debt is added...which is not sustainable.

economy works well for humans indeed but lately most of the gains have been to about 900 million Chinese. Liberal policies are responsible for that.
 
economy works well for humans indeed but lately most of the gains have been to about 900 million Chinese. Liberal policies are responsible for that.

The USA financing that at the direct expense of many tens of millions of USA citizens is a real problem, not least because our elite either lied to us or did it without realizing depending upon who you believe, and of course they long tried to ignore those who were hurt by their plans even after entire regions became decimated, but this does not change the arc of the story of the decay of this economic system, I think.

I am listening to arguments though, maybe this speeds up the collapse by undermining confidence in the so-called experts.
 
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but you just said we have more cheap energy than ever? the cheap energy is used by humans-right? This is a good thing-right?

I dont think I did say that and while we currently have cheap energy it was not but a few years ago that energy was nearly as expensive as it has ever been in my 55 years here, and I figured out (assuming that I am right) way back in 1982 that a new cheap energy source was the only thing that was capable of saving our fast decaying global economic order, and while green energy is getting better it is not that until/unless we get battery tech much better and much cheaper than it is...preferably without all the polluting of the planet that we currently do to use it.
 
Your education is your problem.

And it's one I've attended to amply. But that doesn't matter -- supporting what you say is YOUR problem.



A quote from Plutarch is not evidence of anything, other than that Plutarch said something.
 
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