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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Major BS
    What is? I refuted your notion that unions are the only reason anything productive in this country has ever been done, and then I shared my belief that no labor union should exist in state and local government. Federal either, really. Or education.

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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What is? I refuted your notion that unions are the only reason anything productive in this country has ever been done, and then I shared my belief that no labor union should exist in state and local government. Federal either, really. Or education.
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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Too Bad, you lose
    Not really though. I can continue to point out to small municipalities everywhere that they're not actually required to agree to union security clauses, and shouldn't because it doesn't benefit them whatsoever to do so. This gives every municipal employer the right to make itself de facto Right To Work. I can continue reminding local city councils that arbitration over collective bargaining isn't binding on them. I can continue reminding public sector managers and employers that they are entitled under federal law to permanently replace workers striking for economic gain. I can continue putting pressure on city councils to pass ordinances that say they will not voluntarily submit to any arbitration proceedings unless compelled by a higher level of government or court of law. Hopefully a Friedrichs or similar case is reconsidered by a full Supreme Court, and hopefully more state pass laws prohibiting union shop security clauses. I don't see those things as "losing."

    Meanwhile union apologists will continue pretending what unions are all about is fighting the good fight against those evil rich corporations. That's not what unions are busy doing.

    All I'm doing is talking about unions, like the threat topic suggests.

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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Not really though. I can continue to point out to small municipalities everywhere that they're not actually required to agree to union security clauses, and shouldn't because it doesn't benefit them whatsoever to do so. This gives every municipal employer the right to make itself de facto Right To Work. I can continue reminding local city councils that arbitration over collective bargaining isn't binding on them. I can continue reminding public sector managers and employers that they are entitled under federal law to permanently replace workers striking for economic gain. I can continue putting pressure on city councils to pass ordinances that say they will not voluntarily submit to any arbitration proceedings unless compelled by a higher level of government or court of law. Hopefully a Friedrichs or similar case is reconsidered by a full Supreme Court, and hopefully more state pass laws prohibiting union shop security clauses. I don't see those things as "losing."

    Meanwhile union apologists will continue pretending what unions are all about is fighting the good fight against those evil rich corporations. That's not what unions are busy doing.

    All I'm doing is talking about unions, like the threat topic suggests.
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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Where unions are strong just look at their product.

    Police Unions
    Non Law Enforcement Public employees
    Casino Workers (Las Vegas)

    I don't think anyone would agree that Non- LE Public Employees or Police put out good quality work. I can't speak to the quality of work that comes out of the Las Vegas casinos, but I can tell you that they are rife with political corruption.
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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    The last time my Father worked in a Union, was for The Illinois State Police. The reason why he left was because the racism within was greater that the racism in the street.
    Cool story. Police don't need unions for collective bargaining.

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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

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    Cool story. Police don't need unions for collective bargaining.
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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Tell us more about what you don't know.
    Make a case for public sector labor cartels.

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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    What I find interesting in this thread is that no one has been in a union shop. I know this because of the language used and the incrimination's made. So much mis information has been bandied around and the truth has not even been breached with regards to how and what unions are and do.

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    Re: Let's talk about Unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taxman View Post
    What I find interesting in this thread is that no one has been in a union shop. I know this because of the language used and the incrimination's made. So much mis information has been bandied around and the truth has not even been breached with regards to how and what unions are and do.
    Oh, then please, enlighten us. I'm dying to know what unions are and do. How don't I know already? Do unions hide why they are and do? Gosh I've tried so hard to understand what they are and do, yet somehow I still don't know?

    Were union shops addressed by Taft-Hartley in some way or another, or no? Are union security clauses allowed under federal law, or not? (They are.) What do union security clauses normally say? Are employers forced to agree with those union security clauses? If employers aren't forced to agree with union security clauses in the first place, why do unions argue so much against right to work laws?

    Please feel free to answer any of those questions, if you indeed have some sort of intimate knowledge of unions that somehow no one else in this thread comprehends. Would love to know. Thanks in advance.

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