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Fear the Cookie Police

sangha said:
1) Umm, it does not cost tens of thousands of dollars to rent a commercial kitchen. It does not even cost ones of thousands of dollars.

2) The Constitution does not include a right to sell home baked cookies
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Uninformed and missing the point.
 
Jack Hays said:
Uninformed and missing the point.
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I agree

Whether or not the claims made by article are true or not has no bearing on whether they are true Being informed means not caring if the information is accurate :lamo
 
sangha said:
I agree

Whether or not the claims made by article are true or not has no bearing on whether they are true Being informed means not caring if the information is accurate :lamo
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If you believe the article is inaccurate then it is your obligation to support your claim.
 
Jack Hays said:
If you believe the article is inaccurate
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I thought we were in agreement when you said that whether or not the claims are accurate is irrelevant.

Now you want me to prove the claims are wrong, even though it is missing the point.

I am beginning to think you are being contentious simply to be contentious
 
sangha said:
I thought we were in agreement when you said that whether or not the claims are accurate is irrelevant.

Now you want me to prove the claims are wrong, even though it is missing the point.

I am beginning to think you are being contentious simply to be contentious
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Your claim about my statement is false. Disappointing.
 
sangha said:
Agreed

In the Age of Trump, I should know better than to believe that the words a right winger uses means what those words actually mean
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Your entire position in this discussion is a fabrication. I opposed DJT in the primaries and did not vote for him in the general. You lose.
 
sangha said:
Do not care

You do not have to buy an $10 commercial oven to sell baked goods
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If the state you want to open a business in says you do...you do. Why do you think lobbyists exist? Regulation has become the new tax in many cases.
 
RAMOSS said:
There is an issue more than just 'being able to sell cookies'. There is a matter of 'do you make the health standards'.
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if they don't meet health standards people are free not to buy them so we don't need govt involved.
 
James972 said:
if they don't meet health standards people are free not to buy them so we don't need govt involved.
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It's kinda too late after you've eaten it, isn't it?
 
Too often laws that are claimed to protect the people are in fact intended to protect special interests. That seems to be the case in New Jersey and Wisconsin, the two states where homemade cookies can't be sold.

Moms Who Bake vs. the Cookie Police
James Varney, RealClearInvestigations

Courteney Wilds' cinnamon rolls and other treats were such a hit at dinner parties and her Woodbridge, N.J., church that she thought she might make a little extra money selling them.
But when the 50-year-old opera singer and marketing researcher took a closer look at New Jersey law governing small business, she couldn't believe it. An obscure provision meant selling her goodies could make her a criminal.
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Courteney Wilds
Courtesy of Courteney Wilds

“I was in shock, I was really surprised,” she said. “You’d see people selling stuff at street fairs. I’m just looking to be a small business owner, an entrepreneur. I’ve lived here for 14 years and there’s only one main bakery. Is the law designed to protect them?”
Along with Wisconsin, New Jersey is one of only two states that still ban small-scale sales of home-baked goods outside the occasional church function and the like, according to the Institute for Justice, a libertarian organization seeking to overturn the laws. If small-scale bakers in those states don't spend tens of thousands of dollars to build or rent commercial kitchens, secure licenses and follow strict state regulations, they can face fines and even jail time for selling cookies, though anecdotal evidence suggests written and verbal warnings are more common.
It seems to matter little that there is widespread bipartisan support in both states to lift the unpopular regulations: Thus far a lone lawmaker in Madison and another in Trenton have beaten back efforts to eliminate them. . . .
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How is the public supposed to know or trust that she keeps a clean kitchen?

Perhaps when the cookie laws were written, a lot of people were getting sick because people didn't clean their kitchens or wash their hands when they made food to sell to the public...and small communities don't have the funding to inspect hundreds of home kitchens for cleanliness, proper refrigeration, etc.

Look..she's not even wearing a hairnet.
 
Moot said:
How is the public supposed to know or trust that she keeps a clean kitchen?

Perhaps when the cookie laws were written, a lot of people were getting sick because people didn't clean their kitchens or wash their hands when they made food to sell to the public...and small communities don't have the funding to inspect hundreds of home kitchens for cleanliness, proper refrigeration, etc.

Look..she's not even wearing a hairnet.
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48 of 50 states think otherwise. And those who have doubts need not buy.
 
Moot said:
It's kinda too late after you've eaten it, isn't it?
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obviously so you would not eat unless you were sure. how simple is that?
 
Moot said:
How is the public supposed to know or trust that she keeps a clean kitchen?
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give me a break!! as if some paid off bureaucrat govt inspector is going to protect you. NYC inspects all its restaurants and tons fail all the time. Best is to have private companies do the inspection and have courts take care of serious losses.
 
James972 said:
obviously so you would not eat unless you were sure. how simple is that?
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Thats the question...how do you become sure if something is safe to eat or not? Are you going to send samples to a lab? Or demand to see if the woman's kitchen is clean before you eat her cinnamon buns or what?
 
James972 said:
give me a break!! as if some paid off bureaucrat govt inspector is going to protect you. NYC inspects all its restaurants and tons fail all the time. Best is to have private companies do the inspection and have courts take care of serious losses.
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If restaurants were so sanitary all their own in the first place then there wouldn't have been a need for the government to step in and regulate and set standards to protect the public safety.

The fact that so many restaurants fail inspection suggests that the oversight is working...and you know not to go there. Otherwise, how you would you know they cooked food in a filthy kitchen? Certainly, having inspections and safe food standards is better than none at all.
 
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