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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace...$15/hr. Fast Food Workers

'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

Bernie Sanders is a clueless ideologue, bless his heart. :lol:
 
'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

I was in Amsterdam in 2011. Walked past a MickyD's and noticed that people were placing their orders using kiosks. Food was still dispensed by humans, but they weren't taking orders. This is the next logical step.

Pudzer will fix this problem:

Apparently unlike humans, the machines are “always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there’s never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case,” he told Business Insider.

Trump Taps Anti-Worker Fast-Food CEO for Labor Secretary

I can't wait to have a freaking machine try to "upsell" me.:doh
 
Fine...than prove to me with links to UNBIASED, FACTUAL PROOF that the above machines being introduced have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with rising labor costs and I will retract my statement.
Remember please...not opinions or theories...unbiased, factual proof.



What a staggeringly arrogant thing to say. You just seem to look down your nose at everyone who does not agree with you - don't you? I have seen you do it regularly...it's pathetic. And it does not further your cause - though it probably furthers your ego. People that condescend to others make me sick.

When did I say I do not treat everyone with respect...no matter what they do (because I believe no one is better than anyone else - just different). Also, I am not a fool. If someone is making my food, you are damn right I am going to be extra nice to them just so they don't spit on it (which, btw, they do sometimes - my friends who worked their tell me they do). Only an idiot is rude to someone in a fast food place.

And if you are saying that every fast food worker you have ever met is friendly - then you are either lying or you are blind.

And I do not blame them one little bit for being curt or looking bored...they are TERRIBLE JOBS. If I was stuck doing those ****ty jobs, I would get fed up after a while as well...no matter what they paid me (within reason).

Would you want to work at a fast food restaurant for years and years (even if it paid you $15/hour)...yes or no?

By the way, if you say 'yes' - you are either lying, have no idea what it is like to work at one OR have incredibly low standards.


Oh...and a little advice. stop acting so high and mighty and always assuming that just because someone does not agree with you on a subject that this automatically means they are rude or obnoxious people or treat everyone one tiny bit worse than you do.

:roll:

Ah, yes, the "let's say something questionable and put the burden of proof on my opponents" game. Classic.

Tell you what, when you can calm down and show me irrefutable proof automation that automation is not going to happen, I'll listen to your remaining arguments. And not a second prior.
 
Ah, yes, the "let's say something questionable and put the burden of proof on my opponents" game. Classic.

Tell you what, when you can calm down and show me irrefutable proof automation that automation is not going to happen, I'll listen to your remaining arguments. And not a second prior.

Whatever...your mind is clearly closed on the matter.

And I try not to waste my time on closed minded people...especially condescending ones.


We are done here.
 
'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

Vending machines properly reflect the quality of McDonald's food.
 
'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

I'm all for automation of fast food. Removing those jobs as a low hanging fruit always available could spur an uninspired class of citizens into making better career choices. I doubt it will affect upscale restaurants that sell an experience, and it could provide cheap stable investment opportunities for the middle class to generate an income. Like a coin operated car wash. Owning a fastfood vending machine could be a good side hustle for many entrepreneurs just statting out.

While a living wage makes a great deal of sense, it is a bit far fetched to expect a franchise owner to pay some kid 15 bucks an hour to drop a basket of fries into grease all day. Automation of fast food industry should be seen as a reason to institute a living wage. Not oppose it. Kids might take school and their future more seriously if their wasnt a crutch available that didn't require change. And it would be more affordable for the middle to buy into franchises or start their own brand. If we instituted training programs, and country wide database for employers seeking employees to supplement those training programs. People making 15 an hour would be doing a job worth 15 an hour.
 
'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

I prefer this over some schmuck putting menstrual fluid on my burger or spitting in my shake.
 
'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

Is that an indictment on Bernie or on the Big Mac being such a **** food it can be made in an "ATM" :p

Seriously though, the more these politicians attempt to get teh poor masses riled up that they are entitled to "more pay for less work" the more machines will take over their already dimming job opportunities.
 
I love it.

I would FAR rather a machine fixed my fast food then some human who might have the flu, spit on it or god-knows-what-else on it. Plus, I do not have to deal with fast food workers and their fake smiles and fake greetings OR their attitude (no matter how friendly you are to them) because they hate their degrading jobs (no matter what the pay).

With the above machine - I just pay my money, hit the appropriate button and out comes my fast food. Probably as good or better than when humans make it.



Also, this is what happens when the government starts determining what people should be paid...they often get replaced with automation.

Get used to it...because if $15/hr. becomes a national law anytime in the near future...you will see a LOT more of these machines...GUARANTEED.

Vending machines aside, your characterization of fast food workers is total BS. I worked at McDonald's for five years through high school and college. We kept a clean restaurant, served fresh food, and worked damn hard. If there's an issue with fast food workers attitude or professionalism, you can point right to the management of that particular store.

I dealt with some real ass**** customers in my time there, but even though it was a daily occurrence, those people were the rare exception.

Show some respect to the people who put on that uniform and scrub those grills and floor tiles so you can get a cheap, hot, delicious meal anytime you want -- on demand.

Sorry, but your post struck a nerve. I hate it when entitled, spoiled people whine about fast-food workers who are busting their butts for a few dollars.
 
Automation was going to become a thing anyway, this has nothing to do with Bernie or the minimum wage. Try again.
 
'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

I am pretty sure that if a big mac atm can replace 15 dollar an hour workers, it can also replace 7 dollar an hour workers.
 
I love it.

I would FAR rather a machine fixed my fast food then some human who might have the flu, spit on it or god-knows-what-else on it. Plus, I do not have to deal with fast food workers and their fake smiles and fake greetings OR their attitude (no matter how friendly you are to them) because they hate their degrading jobs (no matter what the pay).
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If you care at all about your health, you should not be eating fast food anyway.
 
I love it.

I would FAR rather a machine fixed my fast food then some human who might have the flu, spit on it or god-knows-what-else on it. Plus, I do not have to deal with fast food workers and their fake smiles and fake greetings OR their attitude (no matter how friendly you are to them) because they hate their degrading jobs (no matter what the pay).

With the above machine - I just pay my money, hit the appropriate button and out comes my fast food. Probably as good or better than when humans make it.



Also, this is what happens when the government starts determining what people should be paid...they often get replaced with automation.

Get used to it...because if $15/hr. becomes a national law anytime in the near future...you will see a LOT more of these machines...GUARANTEED.

Automation is happening whether the govt interferes or not.

Regardless of whether automation comes or not, we should be insuring that Americans who do work be paid a living wage.
 
Vending machines properly reflect the quality of McDonald's food.

But this is already moving into all kinds of service positions. We went to Red Robin a couple of days ago and every table has a tablet where you can place orders and pay your bill without the need of a server. The only thing the server does is bring you your food and come when they're called for refills and the like. It won't be too long before they are no longer necessary at all.
 
But this is already moving into all kinds of service positions. We went to Red Robin a couple of days ago and every table has a tablet where you can place orders and pay your bill without the need of a server. The only thing the server does is bring you your food and come when they're called for refills and the like. It won't be too long before they are no longer necessary at all.

Good, then I don't have to inflate my bill by 20% to cover tips.
 
I prefer this over some schmuck putting menstrual fluid on my burger or spitting in my shake.

Me as well.

Forgetting the $15/hour part...I would just FAR prefer this to humans preparing/serving my food (for many reason - some of which you mention).
 
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Vending machines aside, your characterization of fast food workers is total BS. I worked at McDonald's for five years through high school and college. We kept a clean restaurant, served fresh food, and worked damn hard.
Where EXACTLY did I say fast food workers do not keep the place clean, serve (relatively) fresh food or work damn hard?

If there's an issue with fast food workers attitude or professionalism, you can point right to the management of that particular store.

I dealt with some real ass**** customers in my time there, but even though it was a daily occurrence, those people were the rare exception.

Show some respect to the people who put on that uniform and scrub those grills and floor tiles so you can get a cheap, hot, delicious meal anytime you want -- on demand.

Sorry, but your post struck a nerve. I hate it when entitled, spoiled people whine about fast-food workers who are busting their butts for a few dollars.

Where did I show disrespect? I said I don't blame them if they sometimes don't give a ****. It's generally a ****ty job. You said yourself they work 'damn hard'. And we all know it is for lousy money? You call that anything but a lousy job? I sure as **** don't.

- I said that sometimes they have fair-at-best or (rarely) lousy attitudes...they do sometimes. Are you saying they never do? Yes or no?

- I said that sometimes they 'mistreat' the food out of frustration or boredom? They do...that is direct from people I know who worked there and saw it happen. Not often - very rarely. But it DID happen. Are you saying that it NEVER happens? Yes or no?

- I said that EVERY, single person that I knew who did that job hated it...and they did. Are you saying lots of people (not all - but lots) do not hate working fast food jobs? Yes or No?


If you answered 'no' to all those questions (and if you didn't - I say you are either stupid or were lying)...than stow your attitude as I did not knock the workers...I knocked the job they are forced to do if they want to get paid a lousy amount of money...big FRIGGIN' difference. DUH!!! You owe me an apology pal (though I realize that getting people around this place to admit they were wrong is next to impossible).

I feel bad for them...I am not looking down on them

I look down on NO ONE...EVER.

And brainiac...I used to deliver pizza for years...so I was a fast food worker.
 
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'Dear Bernie, as you continue in your never-ending "Fight for $15", we thought you might benefit from a simple example of how economics work in a real life, functioning, capitalistic society. You see, Bernie, labor, much like your daily serving of crunchy granola, is just another "good" that businesses can choose to consume more or less of, depending on price. And, just to be crystal clear, when the price of labor (i.e. wages) increases, businesses tend to consume less of it. Finally, our dearest Bernie, when misinformed politicians radically disrupt labor markets by setting artificially high base prices, like your proposed $15 federal minimum wage, then businesses simply stop consuming labor completely and instead replace that labor with this "Big Mac ATM Machine."'

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Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

Except it's giving out free Big Macs, so it's kinda socialist, innit?
McDonald's is launching a magical ATM that gives out free Big Macs | Metro News
But not any old Big Mac vending machine. This special burger ATM gives out Big Macs for free.

That’s right. We’re talking a magical ATM that dispenses free Big Macs at the touch of a button.

It’s part of McDonald’s launch of the Grand Mac (a bigger Big Mac) and the Mac Jr (a smaller Big Mac), so they’ll be building up the promo by tweeting each customer’s order before the burger is delivered into their eager hands.
 
Except it's giving out free Big Macs, so it's kinda socialist, innit?
McDonald's is launching a magical ATM that gives out free Big Macs | Metro News

I wondered where the pay part was...well spotted.

Hey...if they can give 'em out of a machine. It sure as shoot will not be hard for them to sell them out of a machine.

You honestly do not think they are using these machines to test the idea? I do and I think it is smart. Test the market with freebees and see if the public likes it.

But here is another example of automation:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defa...oot/2017/01/25/2017.01.25 - Order Kiosk_0.JPG
 
I wondered where the pay part was...well spotted.

Hey...if they can give 'em out of a machine. It sure as shoot will not be hard for them to sell them out of a machine.

You honestly do not think they are using these machines to test the idea? I do and I think it is smart. Test the market with freebees and see if the public likes it.

But here is another example of automation:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defa...oot/2017/01/25/2017.01.25 - Order Kiosk_0.JPG

Thing is, someone is still making the burgers and stacking them in the machine. Here McDonalds is putting self-serve kiosks in every restaurant, but they still need people at the till, and people at the drive through window, and people making the food. this vending machine is just another self-serve kiosks, it's still people cooking and serving the food.
 
Thing is, someone is still making the burgers and stacking them in the machine. Here McDonalds is putting self-serve kiosks in every restaurant, but they still need people at the till, and people at the drive through window, and people making the food. this vending machine is just another self-serve kiosks, it's still people cooking and serving the food.

The technology to make burgers automated already exists.

Hamburger-making machine churns out custom burgers at industrial speeds

Hamburger Vending Machines - Chowhound

https://www.cnet.com/news/vending-machine-dispenses-fresh-hot-fries/

All you need is people to re-stock the machines and clean the premises.

You don't need servers at all.

Just drive up to a vending machine like a drive thru, automated bank teller.

Or go inside and grab a burger, fries and a coke from automated servers/vending machines...completely automated.

I would far rather do it that way myself.
 
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What exactly does this have to do with Bernie Sanders or the minimum wage? Automation has been in the works for years now, and no political party is going to be able to stop it.
If you require doubling the money employees are paid, then automation becomes more affordable.

And furthermore, what's your deal with fast food workers? They're just human beings trying to make a living, typically off a wage that may not even be enough to pay the bills.
Fast food is not a living wage job. People need to aspire for more.
 
This is a baseless claim. Mcdonalds has been paying its workers in Norway a minimum $16/hr and surviving just fine. Technology comes along when it does. It wouldn't matter if they were making $2/hr or $100, unless they lost customers because of these machines...which is also baseless

But oh yes, according to you they're much better off having a job but making poverty wages. There's a reason the turnover rate is so high

The idea behind living wages is that automation is inevitable and has been going on a long time, so ensuring those who do maintain employment can survive off it is only fair. If they weren't needed, they would be replaced by machines too
 
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