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Let's force Walmart, at gunpoint, to give $5/HR raise because we are caring liberals

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Henrin said:
No, it's called business and beating your competition.
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You say potato I say pota(toe). What I know is that their getting rich has come at the expense of many other people.
 
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I am not so much concerned with the impact of raising Walmart workers by $5/hr as I am the impact such a raise can have on the small businesses. Small businesses are being hit with possible having to pay higher wages, health care costs for full time employees, etc.

I have seen a number of articles talking about the minimum wage worker have their pay raised to $15/hr. Yet in those articles do not mention what should happen to the salaries of mid level / shift supervisors salaries.
 
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falcata said:
You say potato I say pota(toe). What I know is that their getting rich has come at the expense of many other people.
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You say silliness and I say something that makes sense. Your job as a business is not baby sit your competition, but to kick their asses and when they cry about it to kick their asses some more.
 
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Henrin said:
You say silliness and I say something that makes sense. Your job as a business is not baby sit your competition, but to kick their asses and when they cry about it to kick their asses some more.
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I'm just going to leave this here

 
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falcata said:
I'm just going to leave this here

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Not even worth my time to finish watching. If you come up with a business model and product that is superior you can go from a small business to an emperor in just a matter of a few years or decades. If in turn you're a huge corporation and you make a few bad moves or fail to keep up with your competition then you can easily become a Sears or a K-mart. Business models move forward because someone forces them forward and that is exactly what happened to these small businesses you're talking about.
 
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chuckiechan said:
If liberals didn't whore out the labor markets with open borders, maybe workers might have some market power.
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And now there's a shortage of labor thanks to conservative racism, fear and hate mongering...


"As the labor market tightens and the population of undocumented immigrants shrinks, employers in low-skill industries such as hospitality, construction and agriculture scramble to fill jobs..."

Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S., Not Too Many - WSJ​
 
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Henrin said:
Not even worth my time to finish watching. If you come up with a business model and product that is superior you can go from a small business to an emperor in just a matter of a few years or decades. If in turn you're an huge corporation and you make a few bad moves or fail to keep up with your competition then you can easily become a Sears or a K-mart.
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When a huge corporation goes under so does the countless people that worked for it or had employment that was reliant on providing services for that company. Sounds like a good basis for ramping up anti-trust laws right there.
 
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falcata said:
When a huge corporation goes under so does the countless people that worked for it or had employment that was reliant on providing services for that company. Sounds like a good basis for ramping up anti-trust laws right there.
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Sigh. Netflix beat down blockbuster, Wal-mart beat down K-mart and Sears, Best Buy beat down Circuit City, and Amazon is beating down Best Buy and a whole bunch of other brick and mortar stores. In every case I just mentioned they did it a with superior model and service. If businesses want to stay around then they have to keep up. If they fail to keep up then they will get left behind, and there is nothing wrong with them getting left behind. Yes, when completion finally gives way people lose their jobs, but that is just business.
 
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James972 said:
Liberals would destroy Walmart just as Stalin destroyed soviet economy:

Walmart by the numbers:

Revenue $482 Billion
profit $14 Billion
$5 raise $11 billion
profit after raise $ 3 Billion, down from $14 Billion

Cut retail profits by 80% with $5/hour raise and cause another liberal Great Depression tomorrow!! And lets never be tricked, this is but one of 10001 interventions a liberal will want because the liberal will lack the ability to understand capitalism!!
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I also think you're off by your numbers considerably, but don't you think that Walmart pays for electricity too among other necessities?

haymarket said:
The Beaver: Gee Wally - couldn't they cover that raise if they just raised prices of toilet paper a nickel or so?
Wally: No way Beav. People have to wipe their ass and they have to do it as cheaply as possible even it it means supporting jobs in some foreign country and laying off Americans.
Beaver: How does that help America and American workers Wally?
Wally: it gets then a cleaner ass at the cheapest price.
Beaver: So assess are really important to Wal Mart I guess.
Wally: You bet Beav ... heck if it were not for asses wal mart would go out of business.
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I love the way you explain that. ;) :lamo

azgreg said:
Your math is a bit fuzzy. Walmart has just over 2.2 million employees. Multiply that by $5 and you get $11 million not $11 billion.
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Well put!
 
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azgreg said:
Gotcha, thanks. I would prefer that the employer played the entire wage then having it subsidised by the tax payer.
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I would prefer that people not think that an entry level is a suitable career or that on day 1 it should pay enough to support a family of 4.

But as the philosopher Jager says, you can't always get what you want
 
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Bob N said:
I'll do that. I'll contact my lawmaker and ask him to quit subsidizing Walmart.

Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies: Study
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Really? You're going to contact your law maker to stop food stamps, affordable housing and Medicaid?

includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid.
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chuckiechan said:
If liberals didn't whore out the labor markets with open borders, maybe workers might have some market power.
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Well, isn't this just about the dumbest thing I've read today.
 
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Henrin said:
Devastating local economies by providing them jobs since 1962. :lol:
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'WalMart' has become a verb, as in, "The downtown got WalMarted five years ago and those windows are still boarded up."
 
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falcata said:
The Waltons are the richest family in America and have devastated local economies with their stores. Meanwhile their employees are treated like and are paid ****. Militant unionism needs a revival in this country like never before.
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Unionism doesn't care about things like Walmart. Unionism hasn't jack **** to do with companies like Walmart or industries like retail. Unionism prefers the public sector. Wake up and look around. It is patently ridiculous that people associate unionism with things like Walmart and McDonalds. Talk about completely oblivious and misinformed.

People are going to realize that the people in charge don't have their best interests in mind, Democrat, Republican, Hillary Clinton or Trump. The only person looking out for you, is you, and its time to organize with those who have the same goals and values.
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You comically just suggested that individualism is a common goal of unionists. Unionism does not share that goal. Unionism hates individualism, does not tolerate individualism, enjoys coercive monopoly power, and spews cult-like communistic propaganda.

Solidarity forever, for the union makes us strong.
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Unions shouldn't exist, at least not in any manner, shape or form as they currently do. The sentence in Clayton that declares labor not to be something that's bought and sold should be repealed for how audaciously stupid it is, security clauses should be illegal, seniority clauses should be illegal, public sector unionism should be illegal, and interest arbitration should be illegal. Simply put, labor unions should essentially be illegal.
 
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azgreg said:
Your math is a bit fuzzy. Walmart has just over 2.2 million employees. Multiply that by $5 and you get $11 million not $11 billion.
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His math is fuzzy

So your workers only work one hour a year?
 
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Bob N said:
I'll do that. I'll contact my lawmaker and ask him to quit subsidizing Walmart.

Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies: Study
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Tell me exactly how congress subsidizes Walmart differently than any other major corporation if you would please

Not their workers, but the company

The workers are free to accept a job or not based upon their skill level, and they compete with everyone else of the same ilk

They can go be sanitation workers, or work in the local sewage processing plant.....very few skills required there also

But the jobs are harder and dirtier and most workers don't want to do them

Life is full of choices....workingornotworking for Walmart is just one such choice
 
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gdgyva said:
Tell me exactly how congress subsidizes Walmart differently than any other major corporation if you would please

Not their workers, but the company

The workers are free to accept a job or not based upon their skill level, and they compete with everyone else of the same ilk

They can go be sanitation workers, or work in the local sewage processing plant.....very few skills required there also

But the jobs are harder and dirtier and most workers don't want to do them

Life is full of choices....workingornotworking for Walmart is just one such choice
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Food stamps work the same way at other jobs too.:sarcasticclap
 
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Moot said:
Workers have a right to fair wage.

Liberals believe there needs to be an equilibrium between business and labor. It only hurts the economy if either side gets too much power over the other.
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Where is that right written? The 47th amendment?

Like it or not, wages like everything else are negotiated. US labor has already priced itself out of the market. Unskilled labor is being performed either by foreign workers willing to risk violating the law in the US or by foreign workers in other countries. Both less expensive than US citizen labor. So the liberal answer? Let's just double unskilled labor cost. That'll fix 'em.
 
Moot said:
Workers have a right to fair wage.
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They have a right to the wage they are offered and voluntarily and explicitly accept as fair by signing up for that job at that explicitly stated wage.

Liberals believe there needs to be an equilibrium between business and labor.
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They believe all sorts of insane things, for that matter. There isn't equilibrium between buyers and sellers of anything.
 
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Workers have no right to a job. Period.

But they can vote in someone who promises to keep jobs from being outsourced to save a nickle. They can vote for someone who promises to close off illegal workers from competing with citizens since it is actually against the law already.

And they did.
 
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falcata said:
The Waltons are the richest family in America and have devastated local economies with their stores. Meanwhile their employees are treated like and are paid ****. Militant unionism needs a revival in this country like never before. People are going to realize that the people in charge don't have their best interests in mind, Democrat, Republican, Hillary Clinton or Trump. The only person looking out for you, is you, and its time to organize with those who have the same goals and values.

Solidarity forever, for the union makes us strong.
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The only person looking out for you, is you? I agree.

Now why would you give that up and become a part of a union who is more concerned about the survival and growth of their union than they are in "looking out for you"?
 
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Moon said:
The only person looking out for you, is you? I agree.

Now why would you give that up and become a part of a union who is more concerned about the survival and growth of their union than they are in "looking out for you"?
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Because an individual can not properly bargain with a conglomerate like that of a corporation. It terms of power and resources it makes no sense. It is in the self-interest of the worker to join unions in order to form their own conglomerate that can balance that disparity of power.
 
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falcata said:
Because an individual can not properly bargain with a conglomerate like that of a corporation. It terms of power and resources it makes no sense. It is in the self-interest of the worker to join unions in order to form their own conglomerate that can balance that disparity of power.
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No, it's in the interest of the unions to have workers join a union.
 
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