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Job creation.

BrettNortje

BrettNortje

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All over the third world there is a need for job creation. this stems from the populace not being able to find work, and, of course, this impoverishes both the state and the people. this means the impetus or urgency to create jobs lies on the public sector and leaders, of course. luckily they can pass laws to promote this job creation, of course.

So, if the state wants to hire more people or create jobs, they need to make it more comely than not changing. often, a business will see great gains and stay the same shape wise, reaping in the rewards of staying the same, or not changing, and seeing their bank balance do well. we need [1] to make it more comely to see the business expand, or, we need to [2] make it comely to banks to loan money for start ups.

[1] With expansion, the business should be given 'tax reduction incentives' to make it cheaper to expand than to stay the same. this could be where the income tax paid by the employees at the business could be split between the state and the business, leading to more employees, obviously, and then the same or more taxes in total.

~ The state should bear in mind that if there is more money in total being earned, then there is more of a sales and other taxes collected that could come back to the state, meaning they lose hardly anything with splitting income taxes, and they make a lot more through money entering circulation.

[2] For lending money to start ups, the state could write it into law that for every fixed deposit amount, which the banks love, they allow a set dividend of that to the start up scheme?
 
BrettNortje said:
All over the third world there is a need for job creation. this stems from the populace not being able to find work, and, of course, this impoverishes both the state and the people. this means the impetus or urgency to create jobs lies on the public sector and leaders, of course. luckily they can pass laws to promote this job creation, of course.

So, if the state wants to hire more people or create jobs, they need to make it more comely than not changing. often, a business will see great gains and stay the same shape wise, reaping in the rewards of staying the same, or not changing, and seeing their bank balance do well. we need [1] to make it more comely to see the business expand, or, we need to [2] make it comely to banks to loan money for start ups.

[1] With expansion, the business should be given 'tax reduction incentives' to make it cheaper to expand than to stay the same. this could be where the income tax paid by the employees at the business could be split between the state and the business, leading to more employees, obviously, and then the same or more taxes in total.

~ The state should bear in mind that if there is more money in total being earned, then there is more of a sales and other taxes collected that could come back to the state, meaning they lose hardly anything with splitting income taxes, and they make a lot more through money entering circulation.

[2] For lending money to start ups, the state could write it into law that for every fixed deposit amount, which the banks love, they allow a set dividend of that to the start up scheme?
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You want jobs? Keep the government away from business, make good laws and enforce them against anyone that breaks them. That works.
 
BrettNortje said:
All over the third world there is a need for job creation. this stems from the populace not being able to find work, and, of course, this impoverishes both the state and the people. this means the impetus or urgency to create jobs lies on the public sector and leaders, of course. luckily they can pass laws to promote this job creation, of course.

So, if the state wants to hire more people or create jobs, they need to make it more comely than not changing. often, a business will see great gains and stay the same shape wise, reaping in the rewards of staying the same, or not changing, and seeing their bank balance do well. we need [1] to make it more comely to see the business expand, or, we need to [2] make it comely to banks to loan money for start ups.

[1] With expansion, the business should be given 'tax reduction incentives' to make it cheaper to expand than to stay the same. this could be where the income tax paid by the employees at the business could be split between the state and the business, leading to more employees, obviously, and then the same or more taxes in total.

~ The state should bear in mind that if there is more money in total being earned, then there is more of a sales and other taxes collected that could come back to the state, meaning they lose hardly anything with splitting income taxes, and they make a lot more through money entering circulation.

[2] For lending money to start ups, the state could write it into law that for every fixed deposit amount, which the banks love, they allow a set dividend of that to the start up scheme?
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Jobs. Incentivize small farms to be profitable businesses. Promote Renewable Energies at the LOCAL level, instead of distribution through the existing monooly transmission services. The monopoly distribution is like a drug users mainline. Decentralize that distribution. Lots of jobs. Fat Cat utility owners (drug source) won't be happy because it is really Centralized Collection of Money and that money goes out of the LOCAL community. Cut the pay of public servants in half. Property taxes would go down. More money to be spent in LOCAL economies. Divert pension fund investment into Renewable utilities. Renewables are LOCAL. Fannie and Freddie need to divest toxic mortgages to allow the housing market to re-establish real values. The Productive and Taxable economy has been reduced and that should have de-valued the US Dollar worldwide. It didn't, as a matter of fact they issued more Treasury debt against the same collaterol and the USDollar increased in value. Are economists dumb or is there some manipulation? Just a few items to encourage creative thought.
 
BrettNortje said:
All over the third world there is a need for job creation. this stems from the populace not being able to find work, and, of course, this impoverishes both the state and the people. this means the impetus or urgency to create jobs lies on the public sector and leaders, of course. luckily they can pass laws to promote this job creation, of course.

So, if the state wants to hire more people or create jobs, they need to make it more comely than not changing. often, a business will see great gains and stay the same shape wise, reaping in the rewards of staying the same, or not changing, and seeing their bank balance do well. we need [1] to make it more comely to see the business expand, or, we need to [2] make it comely to banks to loan money for start ups.

[1] With expansion, the business should be given 'tax reduction incentives' to make it cheaper to expand than to stay the same. this could be where the income tax paid by the employees at the business could be split between the state and the business, leading to more employees, obviously, and then the same or more taxes in total.

~ The state should bear in mind that if there is more money in total being earned, then there is more of a sales and other taxes collected that could come back to the state, meaning they lose hardly anything with splitting income taxes, and they make a lot more through money entering circulation.

[2] For lending money to start ups, the state could write it into law that for every fixed deposit amount, which the banks love, they allow a set dividend of that to the start up scheme?
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Tax incentives of of limited value if there is no demand for goods or services potentially offered. Demand is low in many countries today, because wages are stagnant, or work has shifted to lower paid service jobs. No company is going to increase production if the market is not deemed to be there.

Due to radical changes in the economy caused by technology, the provision of income, and hence demand, has become a political problem. This will either be solved by some sort of wealth redistribution, or be left to market forces, which will generate immense poverty and inequality, without some sort of intervention.
 
Ganesh said:
Tax incentives of of limited value if there is no demand for goods or services potentially offered. Demand is low in many countries today, because wages are stagnant, or work has shifted to lower paid service jobs. No company is going to increase production if the market is not deemed to be there.

Due to radical changes in the economy caused by technology, the provision of income, and hence demand, has become a political problem. This will either be solved by some sort of wealth redistribution, or be left to market forces, which will generate immense poverty and inequality, without some sort of intervention.
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There is always demand for needs, the more you have the more you want, the more you want the more you buy.
 
BrettNortje said:
There is always demand for needs, the more you have the more you want, the more you want the more you buy.
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Tell that to broke and starving Indians and Bangladeshis.
 
DaveFagan said:
Tell that to broke and starving Indians and Bangladeshis.
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That is because the state thinks what the people want is pure politics and rights and 'democratic things.' this is because they demand these things due to western influence, where they see them in the media, yes? they want to be like americans and western wealthy people, but approach it the wrong way, of course.

On the other hand, if the state was to try to get creative with the money they have, and the resources and human capital, they would make a much better country.
 
joG said:
You want jobs? Keep the government away from business, make good laws and enforce them against anyone that breaks them. That works.
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Did you ask Upton Sinclair how well that works?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Did you ask Upton Sinclair how well that works?
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The young "man with every gift except humor and silence"? Fiction was the major winner for his art. But, of course, he predated property rights economics and all that. He might have liked the read, though, he liked to hear himself right, I seem to remember, than have anyone talk. ;)
 
joG said:
The young "man with every gift except humor and silence"? Fiction was the major winner for his art. But, of course, he predated property rights economics and all that. He might have liked the read, though, he liked to hear himself right, I seem to remember, than have anyone talk. ;)
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and he described the meat industry before government "interference" as well.

Ever read "Grapes of Wrath"? That one describes the labor market sans government interference pretty well.
 
BrettNortje said:
There is always demand for needs, the more you have the more you want, the more you want the more you buy.
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I meant demand in the economic sense, the requisite disposable income to influence sales, not in the personal sense of seeking ever more luxuries.
 
BrettNortje said:
All over the third world there is a need for job creation.
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Unemployment is not that bad in many third world countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

Bangladesh - 4.9%
India - 3.6%
Peru - 6.1%
Thailand - 0.9%
Laos - 1.4%

Most of the countries with really high unemployment - especially in the Third World - are usually that way due to political upheaval, wars, crime, political corruption and other non-monetary related reasons.

Bring stability to these regions and I bet you their unemployment rates would fall rapidly.

Places like Yemen - 35%
South Africa - 27%
North Korea 25.6%
Syria - 40%
Iraq - 16%
 
Dittohead not! said:
and he described the meat industry before government "interference" as well.

Ever read "Grapes of Wrath"? That one describes the labor market sans government interference pretty well.
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But nobody would ever think that the government should not make laws and enforce them. That is the prime public good. In that sense government always "interferes". I do not see your point.
 
joG said:
But nobody would ever think that the government should not make laws and enforce them. That is the prime public good. In that sense government always "interferes". I do not see your point.
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should they make laws that affect business, or

Keep the government away from business
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Dittohead not! said:
should they make laws that affect business, or
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Governments should make sure the market work the way economics tells us they are efficient.

The first step is hanging bad guys or putting them in jail, when they robed farmers in the market place.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Found one!

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One of the things Alice in Wonderland was about was the decline of the British. Their empire was in the same decline ours is now.
Their politics got as crazed as ours, but he couldn't come close to naming names without going to jail.

That's one of the themes in the Mad Hatters Tea Party.

Just pointing out that the more things change, the more they stay the same. But you don't have to be the Mad Hatter...

Trump is rather like the Queen in that story, now that I think about it.
 
joG said:
Governments should make sure the market work the way economics tells us they are efficient.

The first step is hanging bad guys or putting them in jail, when they robed farmers in the market place.
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Can someone translate that into English?
 
joG said:
There is an 's' missing. Does that help?
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You are missing more than an s, but if we were to take your mangled grammar literally, then you are correct, although I don't suppose it is what you meant.

Governments should, and very often do make markets work within the parameters informed by the field of economics. Economics tells us that "the market" is functional only within a strong regulatory framework, and only in certain areas. It is efficient only in a limited context, and without support and oversight tends to skew in various ways quite quickly, and usually to the detriment of society.

The problem of job creation makes this abundantly clear. "Markets" today are becoming very efficient, by getting rid of, or minimizing labour. Good for the goose, but not the gander.
 
Ganesh said:
You are missing more than an s, but if we were to take your mangled grammar literally, then you are correct, although I don't suppose it is what you meant.

Governments should, and very often do make markets work within the parameters informed by the field of economics. Economics tells us that "the market" is functional only within a strong regulatory framework, and only in certain areas. It is efficient only in a limited context, and without support and oversight tends to skew in various ways quite quickly, and usually to the detriment of society.

The problem of job creation makes this abundantly clear. "Markets" today are becoming very efficient, by getting rid of, or minimizing labour. Good for the goose, but not the gander.
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That is not quite true. The organization of the markets in the past 20 years has created a huge number more jobs, than it has made redundant.
 
joG said:
That is not quite true. The organization of the markets in the past 20 years has created a huge number more jobs, than it has made redundant.
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Some examples?
 
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