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US living through 'greatest jobs theft' of world: Donald Trump

Lafayette said:
I can't disagree with you, but not all of them are "males". In fact, most of those doing so are probably females, and as for "sitting at home" ... well, I dunno.

Anyway, the situation presently is that we have been coming out of a recession the worst in 60 years - that spiked at 10% unemployment 6 years ago - and which has had a lasting effect upon those beyond 40. If you did not get a post-secondary* education "back then", you are more than unlikely to get one now. Unless one is very courageous, and no-doubt some are.
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The fact is you need a college education or some kind of job skill unless you want to work for minimum wage your entire life.
Even skilled jobs you need some kind of job training.


What I cannot understand about this last election is that we elected a PotUS based upon "sentiment" rather than logic. One may not "like" Hillary, or even dislike Hillary more than disliking the Dork - or whatever. But, my point remains this: [BNothing would have changed the landscape of job-hunting-and-obtention more than Hillary's platform-piece of offering our kids a post-secondary education free, gratis and for nothing. [/B]

Nothing.
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This is where there is a disconnect in reality and liberalism. Nothing is free it would have cost a fortune to implement it. Sanders didn't know how to pay for it and neither did Clinton.
this so called free education would have been hung on the backs of working people like it always is. What makes it worse is that not every person would be able to attend. You would have to
gate the process. there are only so many seats in a class and only so many teachers to teach it.

Look, at present, we have become mostly a Services-Oriented Economy. Manufacturing is being depleted of manpower by robotic machinery - which, I must add, is the ONLY WAY we are going to get production costs down to a level that will allow Uncle Sam to succeed on global markets. So, let's give industry (manufacturing) its just due, which aint much in terms of developing jobs.
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This is just the natural progression. Other economies will start doing the same thing and it will hit them just as hard. Manufacturing can come back to the US but it needs a fair chance to do so.
right now it is just to cost prohibitive.

The world is changing since 1991, when the Bamboo Curtain came crashing down in China - and we were fools then not to recognize the eventual consequences. And take action subsequently to prevent the harm done. We have become a Services Economy, for which higher-grade skill-sets* are indispensible ...

*Vocational, college or university
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This is how it usually goes. This is just norm for the course.
 
ludin said:
The fact is you need a college education or some kind of job skill unless you want to work for minimum wage your entire life.
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Yes, so what possessed those who don't have the right-skills to vote for the Dork? Why did the Dems sit this election out? (Fewer voted than in 2012.)

Hillary would have made getting an advanced degrees free, gratis and for nothing. Today, the average postsecondary graduate has a $35K debt to repay upon graduation.

Which is why only half the high-school graduates in the US get a post-secondary degree. What do the other half do?

They keep complaining on a forum. As if that will do an ounce of good ...

PS Stoopid is as stoopid does (Forrest Gump)
 
ludin said:
Nothing is free it would have cost a fortune to implement it. Sanders didn't know how to pay for it and neither did Clinton.
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The DoD is not for free either. It grabs 54% of our Discretionary Budget.
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It was a matter of choice, and the Replicants in the HofR wanted evidently Americans to remain without a university degree. Which is why they would not vote a Budget that lowered any further the DoD-budget.

(Where did the Discretionary Budget EVER come up for debate in the pre-election debates? When?)

Which country run by a bunch of first-class nutters would dare attack the US? Which one? Not even the Dork's new best-friend, Tsar Vladimir of Russia.

And here's the reason: The Dork wants Trump Enterprises to build hotels in Russia! From Time Magazine, Donald Trump’s Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia) - excerpt:
Most of the coverage of the links between Trump and Putin’s Russia takes the GOP presidential nominee at his word—that he has lusted after a Trump tower in Moscow, and come up spectacularly short. But Trump’s dodge—that he has no businesses in Russia, so there is no connection to Putin—is a classic magician’s trick. Show one idle hand, while the other is actually doing the work.

The truth, as several columnists and reporters have painstakingly shown since the first hack of a Clinton-affiliated group took place in late May or early June, is that several of Trump’s businesses outside of Russia are entangled with Russian financiers inside Putin’s circle.

So, yes, it’s true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
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On last November 4th, Uncle Sam screwed himself ...
 
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ludin said:
This is just the natural progression. Other economies will start doing the same thing and it will hit them just as hard. Manufacturing can come back to the US but it needs a fair chance to do so.
right now it is just to cost prohibitive.
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You are nostalgic for a past that is long, long gone.

Sweet dreams ... !
 
ludin said:
Even skilled jobs you need some kind of job training.
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Nope, cuz there will be a robot there to do it. The first "skilled jobs" to go have gone already.

I visited the automated car-painting line in a manufacturing plant of FIAT in Turin in 1995 - fully automated. And the replacement of manpower ever since is marching up the skills ladder higher-'n-higher.

You think the US is the only country with this problem?

Uh uh ...
 
Lafayette said:
Nope, cuz there will be a robot there to do it. The first "skilled jobs" to go have gone already.

I visited the automated car-painting line in a manufacturing plant of FIAT in Turin in 1995 - fully automated. And the replacement of manpower ever since is marching up the skills ladder higher-'n-higher.

You think the US is the only country with this problem?

Uh uh ...
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I had a similar experience at the BMW plant in Munich. They had autonomous robots gathering materials from the warehouse and performing laser precision quality checks before transporting and feeding them to a fully automated production and assembly line. The only people I saw were there to perform maintenance on the robots. Manufacturing is a dead industry for people in the west and it will be globally when people in Asia are no longer willing to work for pennies a day.
 
Napoleon said:
I had a similar experience at the BMW plant in Munich. They had autonomous robots gathering materials from the warehouse and performing laser precision quality checks before transporting and feeding them to a fully automated production and assembly line. The only people I saw were there to perform maintenance on the robots. Manufacturing is a dead industry for people in the west and it will be globally when people in Asia are no longer willing to work for pennies a day.
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So, you can imagine the margins made on those hi-end automobiles.

The cheaper cars are made (for the moment, without the robotics) in Eastern-Europe, some in Italy and Spain, and now in Morocco. What is nonetheless amazing is the number of car manufacturers in Europe.

Very much unlike the vertical integration had in the US - which is, in fact, a natural progression because it results from the concentration of industries coupled with lax oversight by the Dept. of Justice ...
 
Napoleon said:
I had a similar experience at the BMW plant in Munich. They had autonomous robots gathering materials from the warehouse and performing laser precision quality checks before transporting and feeding them to a fully automated production and assembly line. The only people I saw were there to perform maintenance on the robots. Manufacturing is a dead industry for people in the west and it will be globally when people in Asia are no longer willing to work for pennies a day.
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And a good thing too.

I worked (briefly) on a major, automotive production line...and it is awful work. Mind numbing, dehumanizing and endless. Fitting a bit of trim, screwing it into place (with a gun) and fitting another piece of trim. Over and over...minute after minute, hour after hour.... And everyone I talked to hated it as well.

Jobs like these should be done by robots...and the faster that happens, the better for humanity.


And - as almost ALWAYS in history - those people replaced by robots/automation - will almost ALWAYS find work in different fields doing different things...often less dehumanizing.
 
Lafayette said:
Yes, so what possessed those who don't have the right-skills to vote for the Dork? Why did the Dems sit this election out? (Fewer voted than in 2012.)

Hillary would have made getting an advanced degrees free, gratis and for nothing. Today, the average postsecondary graduate has a $35K debt to repay upon graduation.

Which is why only half the high-school graduates in the US get a post-secondary degree. What do the other half do?

They keep complaining on a forum. As if that will do an ounce of good ...

PS Stoopid is as stoopid does (Forrest Gump)
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This is a whole lot of nothing and doesn't address anything I said, but that is typical of 99% of your posts.
Nothing is free someone has to pay for it. This is what people like you and Clinton and sanders do not understand simple words.
Why are fewer people going to college? | PBS NewsHour

Actually has good facts instead of made up numbers and correlation without causation fallacies.
 
Lafayette said:
The DoD is not for free either. It grabs 54% of our Discretionary Budget.
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It was a matter of choice, and the Replicants in the HofR wanted evidently Americans to remain without a university degree. Which is why they would not vote a Budget that lowered any further the DoD-budget.

(Where did the Discretionary Budget EVER come up for debate in the pre-election debates? When?)

Which country run by a bunch of first-class nutters would dare attack the US? Which one? Not even the Dork's new best-friend, Tsar Vladimir of Russia.

And here's the reason: The Dork wants Trump Enterprises to build hotels in Russia! From Time Magazine, Donald Trump’s Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia) - excerpt:


On last November 4th, Uncle Sam screwed himself ...
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Yes because we have to have a military.

Not sure where you are getting this stuff but a military is required of the government.
Providing everyone a so called free degree is not.

Well if you haven't been paying attention it isn't the first world people we have to worry about.

The rest of your post is nonsense that is irrelevant.
 
Lafayette said:
You are nostalgic for a past that is long, long gone.

Sweet dreams ... !
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Not really if you understand or have a grasp of economic cycles.
 
Lafayette said:
Nope, cuz there will be a robot there to do it. The first "skilled jobs" to go have gone already.

I visited the automated car-painting line in a manufacturing plant of FIAT in Turin in 1995 - fully automated. And the replacement of manpower ever since is marching up the skills ladder higher-'n-higher.

You think the US is the only country with this problem?

Uh uh ...
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Robots are a far way off to doi everything. Even if they do come the job market will
Switch and people will have to adapt to it.

Just like buggy drivers adapted to the car.
Just like every other phase in economic development.

You have to be able to adapt to new concepts and technology.
 
ludin said:
Robots are a far way off to doi everything. Even if they do come the job market will
Switch and people will have to adapt to it.

Just like buggy drivers adapted to the car.
Just like every other phase in economic development.

You have to be able to adapt to new concepts and technology.
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Couldn't agree more.

But, that does not alter the fact that women keep having children and within a couple of decades or so they start looking for work.

That's the everlasting challenge - what do we do with/for them. Just throw them out on the job-market and let them fend for themselves.

That aint gonna werk ....
 
Lafayette said:
Couldn't agree more.

But, that does not alter the fact that women keep having children and within a couple of decades or so they start looking for work.

That's the everlasting challenge - what do we do with/for them. Just throw them out on the job-market and let them fend for themselves.

That aint gonna werk ....
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of course it would work. Corporations would then have to train them as needed or go bankrupt. Thats how the free market works if you have the IQ to understand it
 
Lafayette said:
Couldn't agree more.

But, that does not alter the fact that women keep having children and within a couple of decades or so they start looking for work.

That's the everlasting challenge - what do we do with/for them. Just throw them out on the job-market and let them fend for themselves.

That aint gonna werk ....
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neither is just giving them money for nothing.
 
ludin said:
as we know you don't understand or grasp economic cycles.
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Layfayette is always moving right along when he's lost another debate!!
 
ludin said:
neither is just giving them money for nothing.
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That depends upon how hungry you are.

Of course, perhaps you'd rather those families below the Poverty Threshold starve, so we'd be rid of them ... ?
 
ludin said:
as we know you don't understand or grasp economic cycles.
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Some people must have the last word.

You've had yours. Do you feel better now ... ?
 
Lafayette said:
That depends upon how hungry you are.

Of course, perhaps you'd rather those families below the Poverty Threshold starve, so we'd be rid of them ... ?
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ah it so nice that the liberal always imagines himself to morally superior, so kind and caring, because he supports always more crippling welfare programs.
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Lafayette said:
That depends upon how hungry you are.

Of course, perhaps you'd rather those families below the Poverty Threshold starve, so we'd be rid of them ... ?
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still can't actually address an argument. appeal to emotion fallacies are not arguments.
 
The jobs are never coming back. At best, we can speed up the transformation from labor to capital, which will provide an intermediate boost to employment. However, there is a paradox with respect to automation and sales/profitability. If people no longer earn enough money to consume the products and services being produced... the production process will break down, as profitability is what drives investment (growth).

The question of our time will be: can the economic system as a whole respond to the requirements that keep it moving forward? Given that capitalism is prone to economic crises, i have little faith in a market driven solution.
 
Kushinator said:
The jobs are never coming back. At best, we can speed up the transformation from labor to capital, which will provide an intermediate boost to employment. However, there is a paradox with respect to automation and sales/profitability. If people no longer earn enough money to consume the products and services being produced... the production process will break down, as profitability is what drives investment (growth).

The question of our time will be: can the economic system as a whole respond to the requirements that keep it moving forward? Given that capitalism is prone to economic crises, i have little faith in a market driven solution.
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It will take a collusion of govt and corporations to reinvigorate the working class spenders and boost economic success. Either that or an equilibrium of balance between the ultra poor and super wealthy will occur.
 
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