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Are Liberals and Socialists communists?

Fine, name the three most conservative.

Pick any dictatorship, they are all very Conservative. Since N. Korea is the probably the most repressive, I vote for them as the most conservative country in the world.
 
Fine, name the three most conservative.


using the standard definition of "conservative" as in unchanging, then North Korea is your pick.

But your point is valid, pretty much all countries have some liberal values in there. China is the largest without such things as minimum wage, worker's compensation, unemployment insurance of health plan.
 
North Korea is the most unchanging, however the masses are fed. China however has no social programs to speak of.

China has no starvation problem and their entire economic is one HUGE social program. They have the fastest growing middle class in the world too.
 
China has no starvation problem and their entire economic is one HUGE social program. They have the fastest growing middle class in the world too.

1) masses in North Korea are starving as evidenced by their height and weight
2) China has fastest growing thanks to capitalism not social program

here are books on it to get you started:

"Capitalism With Chinese Characteristics"

"How China Became Capitalist"

In his new book titled Markets over Mao: The rise of private businesses in China, Lardy argues that even though SOEs still enjoy monopoly positions in some key sectors in China, such as energy and telecommunications, their role in the overall economy has diminished significantly over the years. Here are some of the facts he presents to back his thesis: in 2011, China’s state-controlled firms only accounted for about a quarter of the country’s industrial output; and their share in exports has dropped to about 11% today; in 2012, state firms were only responsible for about one-tenth of fixed investment in manufacturing. And in terms of employment, SOEs employed about 13% of China’s labor force in 2011, a dramatic decline compared with the 60% figure recorded in 1999.
 
1) masses in North Korea are starving as evidenced by their height and weight
2) China has fastest growing thanks to capitalism not social program

here are books on it to get you started:

"Capitalism With Chinese Characteristics"

"How China Became Capitalist"

In his new book titled Markets over Mao: The rise of private businesses in China, Lardy argues that even though SOEs still enjoy monopoly positions in some key sectors in China, such as energy and telecommunications, their role in the overall economy has diminished significantly over the years. Here are some of the facts he presents to back his thesis: in 2011, China’s state-controlled firms only accounted for about a quarter of the country’s industrial output; and their share in exports has dropped to about 11% today; in 2012, state firms were only responsible for about one-tenth of fixed investment in manufacturing. And in terms of employment, SOEs employed about 13% of China’s labor force in 2011, a dramatic decline compared with the 60% figure recorded in 1999.

I missed your choices of the three most conservative governments in the world. Would you re-post them?
 
Pick any dictatorship, they are all very Conservative. Since N. Korea is the probably the most repressive, I vote for them as the most conservative country in the world.

Good choice. I might make a case for Iran but it'd be quibbling.
Cuba is conservative but looks like liberalizing when the last of the revolutionaries dies. Russia was becoming more liberal but Putin has brought it back into a conservative corral.
 
using the standard definition of "conservative" as in unchanging, then North Korea is your pick.

But your point is valid, pretty much all countries have some liberal values in there. China is the largest without such things as minimum wage, worker's compensation, unemployment insurance of health plan.

It's simple. Why mess everything up by trying to alter definitions? The right word is out there, go get it and forget 'redefining' words that Merriam-Webster and OED have a good, solid handle on.
 
China has no starvation problem and their entire economic is one HUGE social program. They have the fastest growing middle class in the world too.

I have no idea where you get that information, but I just saw a piece on laborers who are injured on the job get no form of compensation, I know there is no health care.

They do have a middle class, but a lot of billionaires are being made there. Corporations now run the country.
 
China has no starvation problem and their entire economic is one HUGE social program. They have the fastest growing middle class in the world too.

They may not be starving but something is driving the growth of the middle class and it isn't resources, technology or innovation.
It might well be the last two soon, though.
 
I have no idea where you get that information, but I just saw a piece on laborers who are injured on the job get no form of compensation, I know there is no health care.

They do have a middle class, but a lot of billionaires are being made there. Corporations now run the country.

That sounds just like here only bigger :lol:................Don't forget though that besides the over a million millionaires, China has taken 10's of millions out of abject poverty and given them a road to the middle class.
The party leaders are using the U.S. as a model, they are copying everything we did in the postwar era...including our space program. I'm pretty sure that is one reason they don't have nationalized health care because neither do we. All to keep the people happy enough to save their necks. It just may work too...for a while at least. Once the "genie" is out of the bottle it 's hard to keep him on a rope.

The Chinese Dream is coming true for millions.
China's middle class is now the biggest in the world, and growing much faster than America's, according to research by Credit Suisse.
There are 109 million Chinese with wealth of between $50,000 and $500,000. Since 2000, twice as many Chinese as Americans have joined the middle class.
Credit Suisse measured wealth rather than income to avoid temporary changes caused by unemployment, for example.
Chinese are getting richer at an astonishing rate. Wealth per adult has quadrupled to about $22,500 since 2000. The country now accounts for a fifth of the world's population, while holding about 10% of global wealth.
Related: China has more than 1 million millionaires
"The wealth of the country's households could well continue to leapfrog the growth rates of developed economies," Credit Suisse said.
China should also see the number of millionaires soar 74% to 2.3 million by 2020, according to the report.
China has a bigger middle class than America - Oct. 14, 2015
 
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That sounds just like here only bigger :lol:................Don't forget though that besides the over a million millionaires, China has taken 10's of millions out of abject poverty and given them a road to the middle class.
The party leaders are using the U.S. as a model, they are copying everything we did in the postwar era...including our space program. I'm pretty sure that is one reason they don't have nationalized health care because neither do we. All to keep the people happy enough to save their necks. It just may work too...for a while at least. Once the "genie" is out of the bottle it 's hard to keep him on a rope.


China has a bigger middle class than America - Oct. 14, 2015

modern China is a miracle to behold. Under libsocialism 60 million slowly starved to death, but under Republican capitalism 60 million can now buy cars. Our Republican Founders would be proud of their work!!
 
Pick any dictatorship, they are all very Conservative. Since N. Korea is the probably the most repressive, I vote for them as the most conservative country in the world.

conservatives almost all sign the pledge because they want smaller govt. North Korea has huge govt so is very liberal. 1+1=2. Stalin was a liberal which explain why our liberals spied for him!
 
conservatives almost all sign the pledge because they want smaller govt. North Korea has huge govt so is very liberal. 1+1=2. Stalin was a liberal which explain why our liberals spied for him!

LOL The only pledge that means anything is to their donors and that means cut rich peoples taxes. The last Republican grew Govt. more than any other President and added more regulations than any other too. Authoritarian regimes are always large and cumbersome.

The most basic Bush numbers are damning. If increases in government spending matter, then Bush is worse than any president in recent history. During his first four years in office—a period during which his party controlled Congress—he added a whopping $345 billion (in constant dollars) to the federal budget. The only other presidential term that comes close? Bush's second term. As of November 2008, he had added at least an additional $287 billion on top of that (and the months since then will add significantly to the bill). To put that in perspective, consider that the spendthrift LBJ added a mere $223 billion in total additional outlays in his one full term.

If spending under Bush was a disaster, regulation was even worse. The number of pages in the Federal Registry is a rough proxy for the swollen expanse of the regulatory state. In 2001, some 64,438 pages of regulations were added to it. In 2007, more than 78,000 new pages were added. Worse still, argues the Mercatus Center economist Veronique de Rugy, Bush is the unparalleled master of "economically significant regulations" that cost the economy more than $100 million a year. Since 2001, he jacked that number by more than 70 percent. Since June 2008 alone, he introduced more than 100 economically significant regulations.
Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster - Reason.com
 
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Pick any dictatorship, they are all very Conservative. Since N. Korea is the probably the most repressive, I vote for them as the most conservative country in the world.

LOL-changing definitions to fit the leftwing agenda. you are the people who want more and more government. And NK has exactly what your ultimate goal is-a centralized nanny state
 
LOL The only pledge that means anything is to their donors ]

Republicans sign the Pledge not to raise taxes so govt won't grow. Liberals are openly opposed and support an ever growing govt! 1+1=2
 
LOL-changing definitions to fit the leftwing agenda. you are the people who want more and more government. And NK has exactly what your ultimate goal is-a centralized nanny state

You are wrong about North Korea. North Korea is a cult about ancestor worship.
 
You are wrong about North Korea. North Korea is a cult about ancestor worship.

Actually our Founders studied all of human history and were opposed to all rationales for a powerful liberal central govt because liberal central govt had been the source of evil in human history. They made no significant distinctions among liberal govts whether they were ancestor worshipers, monarchs, or communists.
 
Actually our Founders studied all of human history and were opposed to all rationales for a powerful liberal central govt because liberal central govt had been the source of evil in human history. They made no significant distinctions among liberal govts whether they were ancestor worshipers, monarchs, or communists.

In the meantime the founders came up with a centralized government a la the Constitution.
 
In the meantime the founders came up with a centralized government a la the Constitution.

most importantly a Constitution that limited govt more than any other ever had in all of history, and it created the greatest country by far in all of human history!! Coincidence????
 
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