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Rubio's plan to "pay off" our "horrible" "debt."

Those dollars are still being spent into the economy, eliciting more production.

...No. Inflation does not create production. See: 1970s.

Your whole argument here is predicated on the idea that there is a meaningful difference between holding dollars and holding very liquid, very low interest bonds. Those bonds aren't preventing anybody from spending or investing in other instruments. So why would replacing bonds with dollars cause inflation? (And just saying that M1 will go way up is not an explanation.)

If your argument is that these individuals would immediately park them in the bank, then the bank will immediately lend many of them out. If your argument is that these individuals will put them into other, safe investments, then they will crowd out.

If your argument is that these individuals will draw out the money in physical cash and put it into giant silo's, a'la Scrooge McDuck, then yes, under that hypothesis, we could monetize the debt without experiencing runaway inflation. Good luck getting everyone to agree to do that.
 
When we have millions of Americans whose labor sits idle, when we have resources like lands and factories being underutilized, it's pretty easy to see how the government's expenditures can help us to be more productive.

I thought President Obama had licked unemployment, and Everything Was Awesome?
 
...No. Inflation does not create production. See: 1970s.



If your argument is that these individuals would immediately park them in the bank, then the bank will immediately lend many of them out. If your argument is that these individuals will put them into other, safe investments, then they will crowd out.

If your argument is that these individuals will draw out the money in physical cash and put it into giant silo's, a'la Scrooge McDuck, then yes, under that hypothesis, we could monetize the debt without experiencing runaway inflation. Good luck getting everyone to agree to do that.

He didn't say inflation creates production. He's saying the influx of money from the government (who can create money, literally, from nothing) creates production, and not necessarily inflation.
 
He didn't say inflation creates production. He's saying the influx of money from the government (who can create money, literally, from nothing) creates production, and not necessarily inflation.

Did QE create production ? Nope.

Over 80% of all the New liquidity created by the FEDs Monetary stimulus sits idle on the books of the FED.

So yea, no inflation because printing currency doesn't address a lack of demand for consumer credit.

So " Stimulus " creates production ? It creates DEBT and papers over any substantive economic issues that were causing stagnation in the first place

Japan's economy remained stagnant as they blew through 10 separate Stimulus initiatives in the 90s and they invested large amounts of that " Stimulus " on infrastructure.

Now they have the largest debt to GDP ratio among developed Nations and are vulnerable to even a modest rate hike

Stimulus is proposed by ideologues who have little concept of how to effectively and safely grow Free market economies.

People like Obama who thought it was a wise decision to invest other peoples money into building a manufacturing base for products no one wanted and that could be built in China for a fraction of the cost.

We got a bunch of 5th ammendment pleas from Croney Capitalist for our investment because Govt bureaucrats never have to account for things like waste, cost overruns or the threat of losing their investment.

Since Stimulus is done outside of any market principles that account for things like waste its largely wasted and malinvested.

It's really all the Progressives have as a strategy to boost economic growth. Increase the Size of Govt and Govt spending while pretending that debt is not only inconsequential, its beneficial

Sanders isn't going to propose Supply side initaives because he opposes them on principle and he's never going to admit that his ideology is what's destroying our economy

Letting someone like him within 10 feet of our economy would not only be a disaster to our economy but the Global economy.
 
If your argument is that these individuals would immediately park them in the bank, then the bank will immediately lend many of them out.

Banks don't loan out deposits. If people put their dollars into banks, it would result in lots of excess reserves, which has not been a problem thus far. Anyway, only a fraction of bondholders would do this. China, Japan et al probably would not.

If your argument is that these individuals will put them into other, safe investments, then they will crowd out.

My argument is that 100% safety is the main concern of anybody that invests in U.S. bonds, and no other "safe" investment would be safe enough.
 
"Obama has been reducing deficits. A mistake on his part, but goes against Rubio's talking point."
Deficit means total Interest and Debt means Amount borrowed-owed
China lowered their interest rates to protect their economy a while ago therefore we pay less interest, but Obama did not do it.
 
You are making a steady-state prediction in a scenario where the underlying fundamentals are dramatically changing. That's like using the current Oil Futures market as the likely bench for oil prices should large sections of the Middle East go up in nuclear flame.

I'm not making a steady-state prediction; there isn't a distinct relationship between money supply growth and inflation, other than the long-run postulate. Basing your position on the possibility of unforeseen scenarios isn't the most genuine of arguments.

Now less so. (sadly, imo), households have largely ceased deleveraging, setting us up for future pain. However, when you pick up the effects over the last 6 years, you can't toss that out as though it weren't a major factor.

Interest rates across the globe are declining; in emerging market economies such as China, they are experiencing low interest rates, e.g. the 10 year China government bond yield is currently below 3%. According to you three years ago, they were about to go into their version of the 2008 mortgage bubble.

IMO, your predictions are based on your ideology, not positive economic analysis, which is why i continue LMAO when you attempt to bring the future into these discussions.

What is the consumption of retired baby boomers going to look like in real terms when you cut their savings in half? Consumption increasing through inflation is a theory that worked poorly for us in the 70s, as I recall.

Remember, in 1971 the U.S. abandoned the gold standard. Then in 1973, OPEC enacted an embargo against pro-Israeli countries. It wasn't until the manufactured recession of the early 1980's that broke inflation expectations. That's when globalization truly began to thrive; with the world economies so interconnected, it takes some considerable imagination that economic warfare will be engaged on a massive enough level to force inflation expectations higher.

We have a lot of debt to unravel, and we seem to be making very stupid and short-sighted decisions as a nation. Decreased demand for labor is additionally tied to its' increasing costs (which include tax and regulatory), we chose to have fewer kids, and now, apparently, everyone thinks that the brilliant thing to do is to start trade wars with China.

A stupid and short-sighted decision would be to let economies contract to the point where they have nowhere to go but up.

Machines are simply more productive than humans when it comes to completing tasks, which is why automation is so popular among corporations. We choose to have fewer kids because, unlike in previous generations, a well educated individual can earn much more money than they ever have before in history. This relationship holds across countries and households.

That being said, it remains reality that large deficits are currently baked into our fiscal cake due to the structure of non-discretionary spending. It remains reality that if we choose to try to print our way out of debt, we will increase the cost of borrowing, pushing that goal ever further from our reach. How much of our debt can we pay off by increasing M1 Supply by 15% a year if interest rates go back (as he suggested) to 5-10%? What do we do when the cost of rolling over our debt more than quintuples?

First off all, pushing m2 up by 15% a year does not equate to 5-10% inflation (i don't care what Pete said).

Regardless of nuances, do you understand the mechanics behind inflation and stock debt? The current yield to maturity for all government debt is at historic lows; meaning that for the past 7 years, all debt that has been rolled over and issued is locked into these lows. As inflation and interest rates creep up, existing debt financed at low rates is devalued dramatically.

For example, if we have $20 trillion in debt in year one, and have a YTM (coupon) of 3% and inflation (yield) at 5%, what happens to the value of debt in year 2?
 
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If your argument is that these individuals would immediately park them in the bank, then the bank will immediately lend many of them out. If your argument is that these individuals will put them into other, safe investments, then they will crowd out.

If your argument is that these individuals will draw out the money in physical cash and put it into giant silo's, a'la Scrooge McDuck, then yes, under that hypothesis, we could monetize the debt without experiencing runaway inflation. Good luck getting everyone to agree to do that.

I see you don't understand how banking works, in the real world.
 
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