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why should today's youth be loyal to capitalism?

SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON SOCIAL DEMOCRACY


A "new life"? Really? Wakey, wakey America!

Social Democracy - not Socialism - has been a keystone-concept in Europe ever since the demise of the Soviet Union in December of 1991 (with its dissolution). The key-attribute of Socialism is having the means of production owned by the state, which a Social Democracy does not entail.

Bernie is a declared Social Democrat, so let's stop painting him with the broad-brush of Socialism. Social Democracy predicates itself based upon a common will for Social Justice and it is not anti-Capitalist.

After all, if we want to replace capitalism, we do what? Go back to barter? (How many chickens would you give me to plow your cornfield?)

Want to heap all the ills of modern democracy upon Capitalism? Be my guest. But because a Reckless Ronnie triggered a massive reduction of upper-income taxation that flooded into Wealth and Net Work, don't blame capitalism. It's like blaming murder upon the gun/knife used to perform it.

Capitalism must be re-tamed - that is, brought back to an alignment that was first finagled by LBJ (of all people) in the 1960s when he dropped upper-income taxation from the above 90% level down to around 70%. Reagan further chopped them down in the 1980s to below 30%. See here.

Today, the comprehensivetax-rates (after deductions) are, in fact, a sort of flat tax - that varies between 21 to 29% for the top 10% of American taxpayer household. See Historical Average Federal Tax Rates for All Households.

What America needs is to return to tax-fairness, which is just one cornerstone of a Social Democracy edifice that calls for Progressive Income Taxation (or here for students).

And this is what Bernie, a Social Democrat, is pitching to the American public. Batter up ... !
 
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What do you think Socialism depends on to succeed? Failed capitalists and successful capitalists.

Successful capitalists do not prevent anyone from succeeding. They dont steal poor peoples pennies. The bleating howl of "poor poor us" socialists has nothing to do with those that are successful and everything to do with those who failed to plan to succeed. Hell...look at who Bernie is appealing to. College students that are really excited at the prospect of completing their degrees in worthless degree programs and have the government step in and wipe out their debt. Most of those sad pathetic bastards cant even define what they are supporting...only that they are pretty sure its going to take care of them.

Socialist politicians do not want socialism. They want a platform and a base of dependent supporters to give them power to tax successful capitalists to pay for their handout programs...which keep their dependent pets voting for them. But they will only push those taxes so far.

 
... have them go live under communist, dictatorships, and socialist governments for a few years.

France, at present, has a Socialist government - and life is fine. (I live there, like plenty of Americans.) Poland has a Social Democracy, and nobody there wants to go back to Socialism. I could go on, but the point is made.

Let's stop casting aspersions, shall we, like a fishing net? This is a debate forum ...
 
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What do you think Socialism depends on to succeed? Failed capitalists and successful capitalists.


But in a Socialist economic system, there are NO CAPITALISTS.

And in the Social Democracies of Europe, there are certainly a good number of capitalists; and they are taxed far, far more than in the US.
 
But in a Socialist economic system, there are NO CAPITALISTS.

And in the Social Democracies of Europe, there are certainly a good number of capitalists ; and they are taxed far, far more than in the US.
If that appeals to you, you should by all means, move there.
 
France, at present, has a Socialist government - and life is fine. (I live there, like plenty of Americans.) Poland has a Social Democracy, and nobody there wants to go back to Socialism. I could go on, but the point is made.

Let's stop casting aspersions, shall we, like a fishing net? This is a debate forum ...

America is still by far, one of the easiest places on earth for any young person to get ahead. It's not even close any wheres else.
 
There is too much belly aching going on about young people having fewer options today. There are actually more options for a young person than ever before, even if they do not have the obligatory college degree that they are programmed into chasing after.
 
America is still by far, one of the easiest places on earth for any young person to get ahead. It's not even close any wheres else.

This an empirical assessment? You have actual research on the matter?

Thanks in advance ...
 
There are actually more options for a young person than ever before, even if they do not have the obligatory college degree that they are programmed into chasing after.

Uh, no.

See Earnings and Unemployment Rates by Educational Attainment from the BLS (US Bureau of Labor Statistics).

With no high-school diploma, our youth are facing a probable unemployment rate of 9%. With a 2-year degree, it's half that amount.

With a 4-year degree the rate is 3.5% ...
 
Starting a business anywhere is the easy part ...
 
If that appeals to you, you should by all means, move there.

I already live "there", so at least I know what I am talking about.

I am not knee-jerking at the altar of "The US is the Greatest!"

Makes you jealous? What a shame ...
 
Thread: why should today's youth be loyal to capitalism?

Easy answer.......... have them go live under communist, dictatorships, and socialist governments for a few years.

Because in your mind...that is the only other choice?

A person must live under capitalism (as has been perverted by America)...or go to communism, dictatorship, or socialism?

Jesus...no wonder we have so much trouble.
 
Only problem I had this with that whole post. Government doesn't grant property rights, rather Government can recognize it and protect it or not. Property right is a natural right (i.e. God given), without Government you'd still "own" the land you live on and live off.

What god?

Is the god a real estate salesperson?
 
Only problem I had this with that whole post. Government doesn't grant property rights, rather Government can recognize it and protect it or not. Property right is a natural right (i.e. God given), without Government you'd still "own" the land you live on and live off.

The only thing that gives you property rights is your ability to defend it. The native american's don't exactly have property rights over the continental US for example...

Other things can stand in proxy for force though, societal agreement is a huge example. If everyone around you believes that a plot of land is your property, then you won't have to defend it and its yours, unless circumstances change.
 
Thread: why should today's youth be loyal to capitalism?

Easy answer.......... have them go live under communist, dictatorships, and socialist governments for a few years.

Everyone I have ever talked to who is a native of Finnland or other social democracies, think its quite awesome (and trust me, I know quite a few folks from other countries). Sure Venezuela is a hellhole, but it can be done correctly and we have real world examples of that today.
 

Just for clarification, I don't think any "ism," including capitalism is a solution to unhappiness.
One of the things that set me free is not thinking in terms of who/what I can blame, but in the end, what really does(or does not) makes me happy.
Money, stuff, prestige, etc., does not make me happy,

Honestly, I think these people are depressed and suffering from reality slamming into "but I was taught/thought things were supposed to be."
 
I already live "there", so at least I know what I am talking about.

I am not knee-jerking at the altar of "The US is the Greatest!"

Makes you jealous? What a shame ...
Jealous? :lamo

I've spent several years 'there'. You go ahead and keep yours.
 
I can understand why they're less than enthusiastic. I'm feeling the same way myself these days.

Simply speaking, "What's in it for me?" Not a whole lot at the moment, as far as I can tell.

However, I think the "Sanderite" approach to these sorts of problems is ultimately a "false Messiah." Misguided and mismanaged government programs actively taking a hand in tampering with markets are a large part of what got us into this mess to begin with. More of the same doesn't seem likely to make the problem any better.

Just look at the European economies the Sanderite model is so dead-set on trying to emulate. They're really not doing markedly better than we are. In many regards, they're doing worse.

Kinda like Trickle Down Economics was the false Messiah of my generation.
 
Uh, no.

See Earnings and Unemployment Rates by Educational Attainment from the BLS (US Bureau of Labor Statistics).

With no high-school diploma, our youth are facing a probable unemployment rate of 9%. With a 2-year degree, it's half that amount.

With a 4-year degree the rate is 3.5% ...


skills, my young friend

skills

it isnt about the education.....

it is about what you can do that your counterparts cant

for instance, my daughter now speaks 5 languages.....fluently

if her au pair position were to suddenly go kaput, she could easily get a job at an embassy

have more than one path open....whether it be working with your mind, or your hands, or a combination of the two

figure out what you are good at...and get really good at it....and then figure out how to make a living doing it
 
It did happen. It's called the Community Reinvestment Act.

Requiring that bank branches who take deposits in specific neighborhoods actually review the mortgage applications of those who live in the same zip code does not force banks to make loans to people who cannot afford them.

You are either lying, or are unaware of reality.
 
your 2nd statement here is fact, your previous statement of of government granting rights is opinion.

yes, i'm including those whom are "officially" listed as " not in the labor force" as unemployed..... if you don't want to entertain the interpretation that " unemployed " means " not employed" that's fine by me... it won't be the first time you refuses to entertain other points besides your own.

well sure, if we ignore the definition of Socialism , and its most basic and important tenants, anything is possible.

cyclical unemployment does not negate the choice or opportunity at hand.

am I?
so despite the very definition of Socialism , and the platforms and agenda of every Socialist party in existence... i'm somehow off in arguing that the abolishment of private property rights ( which negates the choice in question) is incorrect..... ok.

I'm sure you could go on and on... and i'm sure you might get lucky and hit on something that actually has something to do with the ownership of means of production...I guess we'll see.
if you're not aware, i'm not under the delusion that all welfare and all social programs are "Socialist"... I don't oppose social programs because " dadgummit, that's sochalism!"
welfare =/= socialism
social programs =/= socialism
military =/= socialism
same for medicare, medicaid, and the post office.

literally none of those deal with production, let alone the means of production or any ownership status found therein.

You want to redefine specific terminology to suit your argument, but then hold a strict interpretation for a very diverse school of political economy. Hypocrisy noted.
It is difficult to have a discussion with someone who is both disingenuous and ignorant of the topic at hand. You may have the last word.
 
Only problem I had this with that whole post. Government doesn't grant property rights, rather Government can recognize it and protect it or not. Property right is a natural right (i.e. God given), without Government you'd still "own" the land you live on and live off.

Government grants you property rights. They also can take them away.
 
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