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Reduce the trade deficit; increase GDP & median wage.

Re: Annual trade deficits detriment to their nation’s GDPs are immediate.

Annual trade deficits detriment to their nation’s GDPs are immediate.

Joaquin, trade deficits indirectly reduce and surpluses directly increase their nation’s GDPs more than otherwise.
Furthermore its usual for trade balances affect upon GDPs to be understated and they are not overstated. Annual trade balances’ affects upon GDPs are immediate and their affect upon GDPs are reflected upon their nation’s numbers of jobs and median wage.

The economic differences between domestic and imported goods all occur prior to the imports arriving at the import nations’ receiving docks or the domestic producers’ shipping docks. Beyond those points there’s little or no economic difference between them.

Why do you believe that nations’ trade balances only affect unskilled workers? They affect the incomes of their nation’s aggregate wage and salary earning families.


Respectfully, Supposn

Trade affects everyone -- and in the aggregate it makes us wealthier, and China too. That's why people trade. Your analysis is simply unsupported. Due to comparative advantage free trade is always advantageous between two nations. They both wind up wealthier. That's why they trade, for cry eye. This isn't even an issue. The problem is while the benefits are aggregate they are not allocated equally among income brackets. Nor are the burdens. If you own capital in this country, and can invest in China or import goods, you get richer. If you are an unskilled worker, your wages go down.

The trade balance has nothing to do with that. It simply about consumption. Most economists don't see the trade imbalance as signifying anything problematic, except that we are consuming a lot and may want to invest more. But that's true without regard to trade -- it's a consumption/investment issue, not a trade issue.
 
Any specific "beneficial tax policies"? Like what? If you can suggest something that's not a subsidy, then I could get behind that idea.

you can lower capital gains tax (if one so chooses, but not my first choice) or you can lower corporate tax.
 
you can lower capital gains tax (if one so chooses, but not my first choice) or you can lower corporate tax.

Yeah because rich people need more incentive to invest in bubbles.

How about lowering the cap gain tax on working people, and increasing it on the top bracket. Now that would help spur investment in the production of real goods and services.
 
Re: Annual trade deficits are ALWAYS an immediRe: Import Certificates, tariffs and ta

There is a fine line between so much savings that demand (business sales) decreases, and not enough savings (business investment). Too much savings and our economy weakens, not enough savings and our economy also weakens. Just because a little of something is good, doesn't mean that more of it is better.

You will not find me stating that saving is a bad thing. The notion of "too much" or "not enough" is a generalization that ignores the mechanics behind growth. Why do people save more? Is it because they are making more money, and then are more capable of saving more? Or, is it because people are afraid that they will be making less money in the future, and then increase their savings to offset any future cash flow shortfalls? Or, is it because they just lost 30% of their net worth on bad investments? These psychological differences play out in the real world on a continuous basis.

The OP has a bit of a fixation on the notion that trade deficits are always detrimental to economic growth, all while ignoring that in the last 40 years, savings rates and gains in real disposable income have exhibited an inverse relationship. Then of course, there is the wealth effect. Those who experience gains in net worth that exceed yearly gross income have the highest propensity for a negative savings rate. At the moment, net worth is roughly 5 times that of annual output. Meaning that a 3% gain in net worth is the equivalent to a 15% gain in gross income.

Since 1952, growth in net worth has averaged 6.9%. In the same time period, GDP growth has averaged 6.5%. I would like to point out that i manually calculated the geometric mean of over 500 data points on excel because i can't use my work computer, which has a custom formula to deal with geometric means of data that have negative numbers.
 
Yeah because rich people need more incentive to invest in bubbles.

How about lowering the cap gain tax on working people, and increasing it on the top bracket. Now that would help spur investment in the production of real goods and services.

Rich people don't invest in bubbles as they are the first ones in. By the time a "bubble" officially starts, it's the middle class and poor who are pouring their money into it.

Your suggestion fails on two parts.. 1) Most Capital is in the top 10% wealth bracket and 2) Your ignorance on Capital gains is funny. Top brackets pays more in capital gains taxes on the short end trades. So you want to tax those who have the capital and still expect investment growth? If you tax more of something, the less you get of it.

But I also wouldn't lower capital gains. As 15% for long term is a good deal in my opinion. It's corporate taxes I have a problem with most of all and think it would have a bigger net benefit for the US economy then most think.
 
Re: Annual trade deficits are ALWAYS an immediRe: Import Certificates, tariffs and ta

You will not find me stating that saving is a bad thing. The notion of "too much" or "not enough" is a generalization that ignores the mechanics behind growth. Why do people save more? Is it because they are making more money, and then are more capable of saving more? Or, is it because people are afraid that they will be making less money in the future, and then increase their savings to offset any future cash flow shortfalls? Or, is it because they just lost 30% of their net worth on bad investments? These psychological differences play out in the real world on a continuous basis.

The OP has a bit of a fixation on the notion that trade deficits are always detrimental to economic growth, all while ignoring that in the last 40 years, savings rates and gains in real disposable income have exhibited an inverse relationship. Then of course, there is the wealth effect. Those who experience gains in net worth that exceed yearly gross income have the highest propensity for a negative savings rate.

I'm following you through all of that part, but can you explain the rest? Like what conclusion should be be drawing from it, and in terms that someone without a PhD in economics could understand...

At the moment, net worth is roughly 5 times that of annual output. Meaning that a 3% gain in net worth is the equivalent to a 15% gain in gross income.

So are you saying that the typical person, if he gained 3% in net worth, could expect an increase in gross income of about 15%? Most "normal" people get most of their income from work, so why would their employer pay them more money just because they increased their net worth? Or maybe you are suggesting that if their income increased by about 3%, they would save/invest more, and thus their net worth would increase by about 15% (which makes more sense to me).

Since 1952, growth in net worth has averaged 6.9%. In the same time period, GDP growth has averaged 6.5%. I would like to point out that i manually calculated the geometric mean of over 500 data points on excel because i can't use my work computer, which has a custom formula to deal with geometric means of data that have negative numbers.

So the increase in net worth is about the same percent as our increase in GDP. Seems to me that would be about what I would expect to be considered normal. Or is there some other significance to this?
 
Rich people don't invest in bubbles as they are the first ones in. By the time a "bubble" officially starts, it's the middle class and poor who are pouring their money into it.

So the middle class and poor have tons of excess money that they don't really need, and they invest this in bubbles? It seems counterintuitive to me. I would think that poor people have no "extra" money, and that the middle class has only a modest amount of "extra" money.

It would be interesting to find out what percent of mortgage derrivatives were owned by the poor, middle class, and rich, around 2006-2007. I would hazard to guess that the poor probably owned around 0% of that market, and maybe the middle class only a few percent.

Your suggestion fails on two parts.. 1) Most Capital is in the top 10% wealth bracket and 2) Your ignorance on Capital gains is funny. Top brackets pays more in capital gains taxes on the short end trades. So you want to tax those who have the capital and still expect investment growth? If you tax more of something, the less you get of it.

But I also wouldn't lower capital gains. As 15% for long term is a good deal in my opinion. It's corporate taxes I have a problem with most of all and think it would have a bigger net benefit for the US economy then most think.

All that just depends on what you think drives business growth.

You seem to believe that it is driven by individuals who have tons of money they don't need to live on, and that when there is a lot of pooled money, that businesses will expand regardless of demand or other market factors.

I believe that businesses expand and contract to match demand, thus the availability of capital takes a back seat to demand - meaning that without an increase in aggregate demand, it doesn't really matter how much money is available for business expansion.
 
So the middle class and poor have tons of excess money that they don't really need, and they invest this in bubbles? It seems counterintuitive to me. I would think that poor people have no "extra" money, and that the middle class has only a modest amount of "extra" money.

No, you are viewing in having "extra" money rather then how to make money. The Rich will hold on to stocks even if they decline, not panic and buy on the dips. Middle class and Poor will panic and sell. That difference is big.

It would be interesting to find out what percent of mortgage derrivatives were owned by the poor, middle class, and rich, around 2006-2007. I would hazard to guess that the poor probably owned around 0% of that market, and maybe the middle class only a few percent.

Don't hazard guesses. Derivatives (MBS) weren't the underlying problem but those in the middle and poor class who got short squeezed on mortgage payments were. As those mortgages were assets in the derivatives.




All that just depends on what you think drives business growth.

You seem to believe that it is driven by individuals who have tons of money they don't need to live on, and that when there is a lot of pooled money, that businesses will expand regardless of demand or other market factors.

I believe that businesses expand and contract to match demand, thus the availability of capital takes a back seat to demand - meaning that without an increase in aggregate demand, it doesn't really matter how much money is available for business expansion.

How do you create aggregate demand without expansion? You need jobs and jobs only come from expansion (with that said I don't think it's Government job to create jobs). Expansion only comes from capital. You can't say well my demand for my product is this today and tomorrow it will be that so I don't expanded until I reach that or you'll always be behind the ball on potential market share.
 
How do you create aggregate demand without expansion?

Thats a great question. Business will not expand unless there is an increase in demand, and normally demand can not increase without either increasing net wages or an increase in the number of people employed. It's quite a conundrum.

You say that expansion only comes from capital, and I understand that capital is needed for expansion to happen, but even if plenty of capital is available, businesses will not expand without an increase in demand. Our current situation is the perfect case in point. Our banks are well stocked with capital, our corporations are having record profits and are flush with cash, yet expansion (job growth) is pathetic.

The private sector is basically "locked into" a quagmire, and it's gonna take an outside force to change anything. My suggestion would be to reduce the tax burden of those who have the highest propensity to spend. Thus new demand is created, companies start expanding, creating more jobs, which in turn creates even more demand. Now from a practical viewpoint, we can't really cut the income tax rate for the bottom half, because they don't pay income taxes, but what we can do is to reduce the income tax rates in the bottom few brackets, so that the middle and upper middle class can spend and save more.

Or, a higher minimum wage would have a similar effect of increasing demand. We don't need to be absurd with this, just restoring it to the same purchasing power that it had the last time we increased it would likely increase demand by a percent or two, which would create a percent or two of new jobs, which would result in a tighter labor market, less goverment welfare spending and unemployment spending, rising wages, more business profitability, etc.
 
Thats a great question. Business will not expand unless there is an increase in demand, and normally demand can not increase without either increasing net wages or an increase in the number of people employed. It's quite a conundrum.

This isn't always true. There are multiple reasons.
1) Demand it self isn't the only portion of the equation. Demand can increase by 3% year over year but I am producing annual increase in supply by 6% yoy.
2) A perfect time to expand is in a "trough" of economic cycle. Cheap money = better RoI. (in my opinion is not true)


You say that expansion only comes from capital, and I understand that capital is needed for expansion to happen, but even if plenty of capital is available, businesses will not expand without an increase in demand. Our current situation is the perfect case in point. Our banks are well stocked with capital, our corporations are having record profits and are flush with cash, yet expansion (job growth) is pathetic.

Business is forward thinking (or it should be). To say demand on the short horizon is a major factor ignores Businesses are for the long term. Business will expand if certain things are met.. it makes economic sense (cost) and certainty. That means major policy changes in Taxes, Health Care and Regulation (in SEC, CPA, EPA, and so on) will hamper any expansion as these costs can't be calculated until they are official policy. So for the last 4 years and another 3 or 4 years into the future no major company is gonna expand in the US because there is no defined cost to what these changes will cost.

Banks aren't well stocked, huge misnomer. Banks under go a major stress tests every year and each year capital requirements are increased to a have future capital requirement agreed to in Basel III, until the Basel III requirements are met and Dodd-Frank is hashed out.. Banks are gonna have to keep more and more money in the bank. http://www.risk.net/operational-risk-and-regulation/news/2289959/fed-points-the-finger-at-weak-stress-testing-by-us-banks
Fed Boosts Pressure on Banks Over Capital Levels - WSJ.com

Companies are flush with cash where? Not in the US but their overseas accounts and guess where they are expanding? Overseas.

The private sector is basically "locked into" a quagmire, and it's gonna take an outside force to change anything. My suggestion would be to reduce the tax burden of those who have the highest propensity to spend. Thus new demand is created, companies start expanding, creating more jobs, which in turn creates even more demand. Now from a practical viewpoint, we can't really cut the income tax rate for the bottom half, because they don't pay income taxes, but what we can do is to reduce the income tax rates in the bottom few brackets, so that the middle and upper middle class can spend and save more.

Private sector isn't locked to into anything by it's own accord, rather Government polices are forcing natural economic expansion to a snails pace. Now I am all for tax cuts but I also understand tax cuts isn't gonna solve the problem. President Bush and Congress gave a cut taxes by 3% to the majority of Americans. Did it cause expansion? Absolutely. Did it create the right kind of expansion? Absolutely not.

But I find it ironic you call for more savings when you think a person shouldn't earn interest on their savings which would force them to spend that money over saving it. :lol:


Or, a higher minimum wage would have a similar effect of increasing demand. We don't need to be absurd with this, just restoring it to the same purchasing power that it had the last time we increased it would likely increase demand by a percent or two, which would create a percent or two of new jobs, which would result in a tighter labor market, less goverment welfare spending and unemployment spending, rising wages, more business profitability, etc.

Now don't take these comments as my views as I don't believe in a minimum wage for various reasons, rather this is analysis answer.

A higher minimum wage wouldn't increase demand outright. It's assumed it will but with consumer debt being the problem, the consumer would have to pay that off first and then consume. You have to "pay" for the horse before you can buy the cart in essence. To suggest a consumer should ignore his or debt by buying first only harms the economy in the long run.

Now, another problem with this is.. a one time hike is a one time solution that fails the next year. Minimum wage should be attached to CPI. If you don't you run into the same problems as we have now.
 
Re: Annual trade deficits are ALWAYS an immediRe: Import Certificates, tariffs and ta

I'm following you through all of that part, but can you explain the rest? Like what conclusion should be be drawing from it, and in terms that someone without a PhD in economics could understand...

I will certainly try.

So are you saying that the typical person, if he gained 3% in net worth, could expect an increase in gross income of about 15%? Most "normal" people get most of their income from work, so why would their employer pay them more money just because they increased their net worth? Or maybe you are suggesting that if their income increased by about 3%, they would save/invest more, and thus their net worth would increase by about 15% (which makes more sense to me).

No. I am speaking in terms of magnitude. On the aggregate, a 3% gain in net worth (currently 5x GDP) would be equivalent to a 15% gain in gross income. In terms of a micro situation, think about a person with a $500k net worth earning $100k a year (gross). If their net worth increases by 3% ($15k) and their income increases 3% ($3k), they are still gaining $12k in wealth even if you assume a 0% savings rate. This person could technically have a savings rate of -12% without a change in net worth.

So the increase in net worth is about the same percent as our increase in GDP. Seems to me that would be about what I would expect to be considered normal. Or is there some other significance to this?

Again, think in terms of magnitude.
 
Re: Annual trade deficits are ALWAYS an immediRe: Import Certificates, tariffs and ta

I will certainly try.



No. I am speaking in terms of magnitude. On the aggregate, a 3% gain in net worth (currently 5x GDP) would be equivalent to a 15% gain in gross income. In terms of a micro situation, think about a person with a $500k net worth earning $100k a year (gross). If their net worth increases by 3% ($15k) and their income increases 3% ($3k), they are still gaining $12k in wealth even if you assume a 0% savings rate. This person could technically have a savings rate of -12% without a change in net worth.



Again, think in terms of magnitude.

OK, I got what you are saying. Makes some sense to me, now.
 
Rich people don't invest in bubbles as they are the first ones in. By the time a "bubble" officially starts, it's the middle class and poor who are pouring their money into it.

Your suggestion fails on two parts.. 1) Most Capital is in the top 10% wealth bracket and 2) Your ignorance on Capital gains is funny. Top brackets pays more in capital gains taxes on the short end trades. So you want to tax those who have the capital and still expect investment growth? If you tax more of something, the less you get of it.

But I also wouldn't lower capital gains. As 15% for long term is a good deal in my opinion. It's corporate taxes I have a problem with most of all and think it would have a bigger net benefit for the US economy then most think.

Counterfactual. No mom and pop operations invested in CDSs and REITs. Hedefunds did, which are the realm of the very wealth.

Bubbles are always caused by too much idle cash in the hands of the rich, who don't mind taking crazy risks since if they lose it all, they are still wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. Normal people do not invest that way. Normal people invest in the production of real goods and services, since the risk is lower (as is the return). The wealthy have little interest in low ROR. They like bets, as every study shows, and for obvious reasons. If a wealthy person loses on a risky investment, his lifestyle isn't affected in the slightest. If he wins, he gets huge returns and bragging rights (which is the main motive of the very rich).

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There are two sides to this coin, increase exports or decrease imports. Given that we demand more than we can supply to ourselves, I assume that a large portion of balancing the trade deficit would be to decrease imports. Less imports means more money stays home making the dollar scarcer in the global market thus causing the value of the dollar to rise.

Now I'm not sure how you increase exports without using subsidies which cost money. That seems self defeating to me.

C S Brown 28, what was meant when you wrote “Given that we demand more than we can supply to ourselves”?

Exporters USA goods profits from the transferable Import Certificates, (ICs) they acquire are an indirect but effective subsidy of USA exports. All direct federal expenses due to this IC trade policy and the USA goods’ exporters’ profits due to the ICs they acquire, will all be passed onto USA purchasers of imported goods.
[I.E. exporters USA goods profits from the transferable Import Certificates, (ICs) they acquire are an indirect but effective subsidy of USA exports].

Why would you believe that competitive pressures among exporters of USA goods competing for foreign purchasers wouldn’t use their profits from ICs to reduce their prices to foreign purchasers?
Increased sales of USA exports enable them to in turn acquire more of the valuable transferable ICs. Reducing prices per unit and increasing net profits due to volume sales are a familiar U.S. commercial strategy.

Free markets global prices of transferable IC’s are what drives this trade policy. The prices of US goods to foreign purchasers are inversely related and the prices of imports to USA purchasers are positively related to the transferable ICs global prices. The transferable IC policy is not “pure” free trade but it is certainly pure competitive free enterprise.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
C S Brown 28, what was meant when you wrote “Given that we demand more than we can supply to ourselves”?

The US consumes more than it can supply.

Exporters USA goods profits from the transferable Import Certificates, (ICs) they acquire are an indirect but effective subsidy of USA exports. All direct federal expenses due to this IC trade policy and the USA goods’ exporters’ profits due to the ICs they acquire, will all be passed onto USA purchasers of imported goods.
[I.E. exporters USA goods profits from the transferable Import Certificates, (ICs) they acquire are an indirect but effective subsidy of USA exports].

Why would you believe that competitive pressures among exporters of USA goods competing for foreign purchasers wouldn’t use their profits from ICs to reduce their prices to foreign purchasers?
Increased sales of USA exports enable them to in turn acquire more of the valuable transferable ICs. Reducing prices per unit and increasing net profits due to volume sales are a familiar U.S. commercial strategy.

Free markets global prices of transferable IC’s are what drives this trade policy. The prices of US goods to foreign purchasers are inversely related and the prices of imports to USA purchasers are positively related to the transferable ICs global prices. The transferable IC policy is not “pure” free trade but it is certainly pure competitive free enterprise.

Respectfully, Supposn


Thanks for the insight in IC's. I admit I'm not that familiar with them and have begun reading on how they work.
 
Reduce the trade deficit; increase GDP & median wage

Originally Posted by Supposn within the thread Minimum wage increases cost on unit prices:

Your comments regarding some nations being externally noncompetitive, (regarding trade balances between nations), individual nations suffering chronic annual trade deficits would better serve their own best interests by unilaterally adopting an Import Certificate policy for their own practices of global trade.

Refer to:
Wickipedia’s article entitled “Import Certificates”
or
USA's Trade Deficits and Warren Buffett's Proposal | Economy In Crisis
or
http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...an-wage-7.html (Reduce the trade deficit; increase GDP & median wage.)

Are you still spewing this debunked economic ideology? Reiver explained, in great detail, why your position doesn't hold.

Kushinator, you’re incorrect. Respectfully, Supposn
 
I am against tariffs and am for free trade. If that hurts a particular country, so be it.

The second you start trying to manipulate trade through government action, you immediately make he goods involved more expensive for the consumer AND/OR make taxpayers pay more taxes AND/OR make more of their tax dollars go towards trade issues instead of more important matters like welfare/defense/etc..
 
A WORLD OF HARM

... and the trade proposal’s eventually and entirely funded by U.S. purchasers of foreign goods

Which means, ipso facto, that major trading blocs, like the EU, will be obliged to adopt the same taxation mechanism as counter-strategy, resulting quite likely in an overall stagnation of international trade.

The less nations seek to "traffic" markets for their own internal purposes, the better off the world of Global Exchange in goods/services will be - especially amongst developed nations. It is practically axiomatic that low-tech goods made-in-USA are destined to fail internationally (unless protected) due to higher production costs. If protected, the US triggers a trade-war, which will have to be settled by the World Trade Organization, to which the US is signatory.

This gets World Trade nowhere.

And, as I keep repeating, the way out of our present employment predicament is to enhances the skills/talents of our workforce such that they seek "upmarket work". And the US has the highest average debt for Tertiary Education of any developed nation - see that fact displayed here: Tertiary Education Spending - Selected OECD Countries

We have some of the highest costs of Tertiary Education on this planet, and it is doing us a world of harm ...

That is no way whatsoever to get people to migrate up the skills/competencies ladder ...
 
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Re: Annual trade deficits are ALWAYS an immediRe: Import Certificates, tariffs and ta

AIN'T LOOKIN' GOOD

On the aggregate, a 3% gain in net worth (currently 5x GDP) would be equivalent to a 15% gain in gross income.

Net worth is Wealth - Debt. Wealth is all taxed net-income that trickles-up in to savings. Which includes personal housing, cars, bank deposits, stock valuations, etc., etc.

It is not axiomatic that a augmentation per se of Net Income would translate automatically into Net Worth, if people do not know how to save. Savings are a matter of not-spending Net Income, and in the lower-classes, given the costs-of-living there are damn few who save.

Which is, btw, why so little of Net Worth is owned by "We, the Sheeple". Both Profs Piketty and Domhoff have published work in the subject of Net Worth:
*Piketty - Wealth Inequality in the U.S., 1810-2010
*Domhoff - Net Worth and Financial Wealth

Aint lookin' good, either of those two infographics ...
 
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DA60: The second you start trying to manipulate trade through government action, you immediately make he goods involved more expensive for the consumer AND/OR make taxpayers pay more taxes AND/OR make more of their tax dollars go towards trade issues instead of more important matters like welfare/defense/etc...

Nothing of what you say happens.

World Trade, if kept competitive, just like commerce internal to a country, keeps the prices of products low.

In fact, it is that very reason why a great deal of lower-income jobs have left the US ... to end up in Far East. (And not just China, but the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, India.)

And what do the recipient countries do with their global-trade income? They use it to buy Boeing 737s from the US, and Airbus A-320s from Europe.

What has happened in both the US and the EU was foreseeable. The lower-skilled workers would be squeezed out of the production mechanism. That has happened, and the fact remains inexorable - there is not much we can do about it.

Except allow those who have the will to do so to obtain the skills/competency training that they need to obtain a better paying job. And to do so free, gratis and for nothing - not just low-cost but no-cost. The money spent retraining them will be far less than what is spent on their Unemployment Compensation.

That bit of "handwriting on the wall" is obvious. But I don't think it is sinking in - either in the US or Europe.

MY POINT?

What has happened in the US, since the Great Recession (2008/9), is an Historic Watershed. Life as we know it will never be the same as before - so we need desperately some pretty smart people* at the head of this country (in the White House, in the two chambers of Congress) to lead this country out of the Monstrous Mess in which it finds itself ...

*And the Trumpster is not one of them - the guy is myopic ...
 
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Re: Annual trade deficits detriment to their nation’s GDPs are immediate.

Due to comparative advantage free trade is always advantageous between two nations. They both wind up wealthier..

Good stuff! David Ricardo would be proud of your statement.
 
1) Demand it self isn't the only portion of the equation. Demand can increase by 3% year over year but I am producing annual increase in supply by 6% yoy.

What do you mean by this?

Please explain ...
 
Re: Annual trade deficits detriment to their nation’s GDPs are immediate.

LONG-TERM

... trade deficits indirectly reduce and surpluses directly increase their nation’s GDPs more than otherwise.

Only if you look statically at the numbers in any given year. Think longer-term.

Consider China at the very beginning of its "outcoming" - it had nothing but dirt-cheap products that sold well around the globe because less expensive. That all started in 1991 - we are now a quarter-century later and China is the second largest economy in the world. (Which really does not mean all that much to most Chinese, since the income/wealth is very highly concentrated amongst very few individuals.) With a solid middle-class in the making.

They are manufacturing World-Class products sold in major international markets. But said products are not "home-grown" and therein lies the rub. Are the Chinese actually able to innovate iPad-type products without Apple showing them how to do so?

Nonetheless, when some very rich Chinese can buy vineyards in Bordeaux, you know something very important has changed in the world. (In fact, some are theorizing that the rich and very rich have done this for when China implodes, and they leave very silently but very quickly ...)

We, the sheeple, in America have built China over the past quarter-century ... by buying their goods. (Foolishly, I might suggest, because a lot of them are real crap-products.)
 
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Trade deficits’ are ALWAYS detrimental to their nations’ GDPs

Nonsense. Let's say, you buy bananas from some Banana Republic. BR is too poor to buy any American products. You accumulate huge trade deficit with BR. Is such trade detrimental? No, quite the opposite: In America you make and sell banana bread, employing bakers, dishwashers, delivery drivers, accountants, etc. You turn profit, you add to GDP. The cost of bananas is a small fraction of your expenses, and the net result is a boost for you, everyone involved, and consumers. And your product wouldn't even exist without this "detrimental" trade.
 
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