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Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions?

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Attention Constitutional Convention members, our President has taken it upon himself to allow additional members into the convention. Why? Apparently because he decided he wanted to... http://www.debatepolitics.com/dp-co...64-two-important-announcements-president.html

I do not recall that being voted on let alone submitted to the convention. Now, the addition of members is one (separate) thing but where did the President get the authority to make dictates?

Either this committee makes decisions for itself, or it does not.

I'd like to hear from forumites regarding this decree from the forum President, what do you think about his apparently self-imposed "executive decisions"?
 
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An executive order from the executive branch!!??

This Sangha is a tyrant and obviously a socialist. He thinks he can sit on his throne and make decrees like an emperor! TEA PARTY UNITE!!!
 
Re: Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions

I don't see a law against admitting anyone at a later date. Do you?
 
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Attention Constitutional Convention members, our President has taken it upon himself to allow additional members into the convention. Why? Apparently because he decided he wanted to... http://www.debatepolitics.com/dp-co...64-two-important-announcements-president.html

I do not recall that being voted on let alone submitted to the convention. Now, the addition of members is one (separate) thing but where did the President get the authority to make dictates?

Either this committee makes decisions for itself, or it does not.

I'd like to hear from forumites regarding this decree from the forum President, what do you think about his apparently self-imposed "executive decisions"?

I think we have about nullified the whole point of this convention, before we really did anything substantial.

Best I can tell we have had an awkward power shift with even more awkward reasoning for it, and then this decision on convention participation without the group having any say so in the matter.

Effectively what we have done is remove the power of the convention. If this is the standard going forward, then it means all decisions we by majority make could be arbitrarily voided by those in charge. The OP is right, either the convention functions as a decision making process or it does not.

We need to hear from the President, quickly, and I suggest the words are carefully selected. Else my advice is for all of us to walk away for the obvious reason that the convention as it stands is not allowed to function, so long as our purpose is removed completely at their will.
 
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I think we have about nullified the whole point of this convention, before we really did anything substantial.

Best I can tell we have had an awkward power shift with even more awkward reasoning for it, and then this decision on convention participation without the group having any say so in the matter.

Effectively what we have done is remove the power of the convention. If this is the standard going forward, then it means all decisions we by majority make could be arbitrarily voided by those in charge. The OP is right, either the convention functions as a decision making process or it does not.

We need to hear from the President, quickly, and I suggest the words are carefully selected. Else my advice is for all of us to walk away for the obvious reason that the convention as it stands is not allowed to function, so long as our purpose is removed completely at their will.

As an observer of this interesting experiment, I think something relevant has been discovered. Forgive me for swerving a bit off topic.

It seems to me, the missing element is one that reflects our current times. That element is the human, face to face one. Thinking important issues can be communicated and negotiated via electronic means is asking too much. Compromise and stubbornness are far different when people have to sit across the table from someone. It is far easier to dig in and be combative when the only emotion is that which can be expressed in words. Thinking those words carry any real weight and import is the great folly of today's social media, and that is likely to be reflected in what is attempting to be done with this project.

I wish you well with this experiment.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...:peace
 
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I don't see a law against admitting anyone at a later date. Do you?

As stated in the OP the issue here is one person deciding how things are going to be, not the addition of members.
 
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Ahh, art imitating life. How poetic.
 
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Attention Constitutional Convention members, our President has taken it upon himself to allow additional members into the convention. Why? Apparently because he decided he wanted to... http://www.debatepolitics.com/dp-co...64-two-important-announcements-president.html

I do not recall that being voted on let alone submitted to the convention. Now, the addition of members is one (separate) thing but where did the President get the authority to make dictates?

Either this committee makes decisions for itself, or it does not.

I'd like to hear from forumites regarding this decree from the forum President, what do you think about his apparently self-imposed "executive decisions"?

This is WHY we elect people - to make decisions on our behalf. If we think the decision made is a bad one, or if we think it was one that should have been submitted to the convention, we can always recall the elected officers.

In this case, this is exactly the kind of thing the president and secretary should do - admit new members and keep track of them.

So far, neither officer has shown themselves prone to overreaching their office.

Let's focus on the convention business instead of being faux-offended, ok?
 
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This is WHY we elect people - to make decisions on our behalf. If we think the decision made is a bad one, or if we think it was one that should have been submitted to the convention, we can always recall the elected officers.

In this case, this is exactly the kind of thing the president and secretary should do - admit new members and keep track of them.

So far, neither officer has shown themselves prone to overreaching their office.

Let's focus on the convention business instead of being faux-offended, ok?

I think that by comparing the conventions activity and support both before and after my election, two things becomes clear:

1) There are people who are more interested in focusing on rules and procedures and those who prefer discussing the substance of the issues

2) The former leads to people leaving the convention while the latter leads to people wanting to join the convention
 
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This is WHY we elect people - to make decisions on our behalf.

Tell you what, if you'd like to delegate all of your input to another feel free. Some of us didn't come here for that, and none of us voted on that.
 
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As an observer of this interesting experiment, I think something relevant has been discovered. Forgive me for swerving a bit off topic.

It seems to me, the missing element is one that reflects our current times. That element is the human, face to face one. Thinking important issues can be communicated and negotiated via electronic means is asking too much. Compromise and stubbornness are far different when people have to sit across the table from someone. It is far easier to dig in and be combative when the only emotion is that which can be expressed in words. Thinking those words carry any real weight and import is the great folly of today's social media, and that is likely to be reflected in what is attempting to be done with this project.

I wish you well with this experiment.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...:peace

It was to be a worthwhile exercise, something where we discuss in today's terms what it means to have a Constitution. The human element of face-to-face meeting is a big issue, I would agree. But there are other confines we are going go have to operate under just to proceed with this experiment. My issue is that effort will get submarined by what has happened to date, on top of the limitations of doing this through a forum format. We have already experienced the political jockeying for positions of power, backroom deals to change votes after the fact, what can only be described as an awkward power shift, and now the executive abuse of authority in a way that fundamentally shifts the dynamic of the convention.

The great folly is we have already experienced, before getting anything on paper of substance mind you, is what happens in today's political climate. The irony is the entire purpose of the exercise was voided by those in charge, in some of the worst self appointed manners.

I said it before, we spent so much time deciding who was in charge of pencil sharpening that we ignored the interest in the subject of the experiment. People dropped out almost immediately when we were electing officers, odds are this executive authority reach will end the convention.

Think about it... why bother with a convention if the power of the convention can be shut off at the will of those in charge? Can't wait to see those in charge write that little part of this exercise Constitution. Thank you for wishing us well, just unsure how we can proceed now.
 
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Ahh, art imitating life. How poetic.

I guess I should not be surprised to see how quickly it happened.
 
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I guess I should not be surprised to see how quickly it happened.

How quickly it happened isn't so important as how quickly it's faced and resolved. Life teaches us that small things unresolved can fester into major roadblocks to success.
 
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I think that by comparing the conventions activity and support both before and after my election, two things becomes clear:

1) There are people who are more interested in focusing on rules and procedures and those who prefer discussing the substance of the issues

2) The former leads to people leaving the convention while the latter leads to people wanting to join the convention

The rules matter or they dont. We voted for one thing, and we are getting quite another. If this comes down to a wanna-be dictator deciding as he see's fit this isn't really a convention at all, is it? The irony is our own convention President-in a gathering centered around a group authoring a fundamental code-has decided to bend it as it suits him.

Now you have already stated you are stepping down and I hope you will set a precedent by making no further abuses in your remaining time.
 
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Seems to me that this proves that a constitutional convention is nothing more than a clever smoke-screen for a tyrannical police-state takeover of this country. A complete ruse to decimate the original Constitution.

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We voted for one thing, and we are getting quite another.

You can claim to speak for all the members, but no one elected you anything so you only prove how dishonest your argument is when you do so.
 
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You can claim to speak for all the members, but no one elected you anything so you only prove how dishonest your argument is when you do so.

The MEMBERS did not vote for this. No such vote exists. I am calling on you to speedily step down, as you have stated you will. Let me be the first to encourage you.
 
Re: Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions

Seems to me that this proves that a constitutional convention is nothing more than a clever smoke-screen for a tyrannical police-state takeover of this country. A complete ruse to decimate the original Constitution.

Enemies Foreign and Domestic Web Site

It should be a valuable lesson, but some of us are slow learners. If the rules dont matter, we are serfs living under tyrants. It seems out of place to me in a constitutional committee.
 
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Attention Constitutional Convention members, our President has taken it upon himself to allow additional members into the convention. Why? Apparently because he decided he wanted to... http://www.debatepolitics.com/dp-co...64-two-important-announcements-president.html

I do not recall that being voted on let alone submitted to the convention. Now, the addition of members is one (separate) thing but where did the President get the authority to make dictates?

Either this committee makes decisions for itself, or it does not.

I'd like to hear from forumites regarding this decree from the forum President, what do you think about his apparently self-imposed "executive decisions"?

Well, from an outsider's perspective (and, frankly, one who hasn't been following this whole thing) it seems to me that you all voted for a president before you voted on the Constitution. That's pretty much choosing a dictatorship right out of the blocks and, by golly, that's more or less what it seems you got.
 
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Well, from an outsider's perspective (and, frankly, one who hasn't been following this whole thing) it seems to me that you all voted for a president before you voted on the Constitution. That's pretty much choosing a dictatorship right out of the blocks and, by golly, that's more or less what it seems you got.

Which is why very early on I was talking about style of government while others were jockeying for power. You are right, we got the dictatorship right of the box and it did not take long to render the point of the convention as null.
 
Re: Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions

Well, from an outsider's perspective (and, frankly, one who hasn't been following this whole thing) it seems to me that you all voted for a president before you voted on the Constitution. That's pretty much choosing a dictatorship right out of the blocks and, by golly, that's more or less what it seems you got.

I understand though to be fair Im referring to the convention president, not a president as in an executive branch delegated within the constitution. Still, its been quite orwellian.
 
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Attention Constitutional Convention members, our President has taken it upon himself to allow additional members into the convention. Why? Apparently because he decided he wanted to... http://www.debatepolitics.com/dp-co...64-two-important-announcements-president.html

I do not recall that being voted on let alone submitted to the convention. Now, the addition of members is one (separate) thing but where did the President get the authority to make dictates?

Either this committee makes decisions for itself, or it does not.

I'd like to hear from forumites regarding this decree from the forum President, what do you think about his apparently self-imposed "executive decisions"?



So much for the concept of 'government by the people, for the people."
 
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