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Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions?

Re: Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions

An executive order from the executive branch!!??

This Sangha is a tyrant and obviously a socialist. He thinks he can sit on his throne and make decrees like an emperor! TEA PARTY UNITE!!!



Rabid indeed.

Sarcasm has its place, usually in the school yard. Childishness is expected from Obama's mindless trolls, but here it makes you look stupid.

If you can't be fully involved in the debate, adding intelligent comment, I suppose drive-by posts and cheap shots suffice in the land of the lost.

Clearly, you stand by this incompetent dolt regardless of what he did, so your input on this has the veracity of dog ****
 
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As an observer of this interesting experiment, I think something relevant has been discovered. Forgive me for swerving a bit off topic.

It seems to me, the missing element is one that reflects our current times. That element is the human, face to face one. Thinking important issues can be communicated and negotiated via electronic means is asking too much. Compromise and stubbornness are far different when people have to sit across the table from someone. It is far easier to dig in and be combative when the only emotion is that which can be expressed in words. Thinking those words carry any real weight and import is the great folly of today's social media, and that is likely to be reflected in what is attempting to be done with this project.

I wish you well with this experiment.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...:peace



So, you have seen the truth...

This is as much of a sham as "amnesty" and "you can keep your plan"....

This is so he can say he really did have the "most open and accountable government" by insuring as many Americans as possible are involved.

Does anyone thing illegal immigration, on going wars, racism, crime, homelessness, political corruption or the rusted hulk of an electoral system are going to get fixed here?
 
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Well, from an outsider's perspective (and, frankly, one who hasn't been following this whole thing) it seems to me that you all voted for a president before you voted on the Constitution. That's pretty much choosing a dictatorship right out of the blocks and, by golly, that's more or less what it seems you got.

And now the only active officer (currently) wants the ability to permaban from this entire sub forum anyone he deems a troll. What could possibly go wrong?
 
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This is WHY we elect people - to make decisions on our behalf. If we think the decision made is a bad one, or if we think it was one that should have been submitted to the convention, we can always recall the elected officers.

In this case, this is exactly the kind of thing the president and secretary should do - admit new members and keep track of them.

So far, neither officer has shown themselves prone to overreaching their office.

Let's focus on the convention business instead of being faux-offended, ok?



You could not be further from reality.

A democracy elects people to make laws, administer and enforce them.

Based on your opening statement then the people on this should be elected, as were the members of the original constitutional conventions.

In this case, one guy, an incompetent blow hard who is 100 times more show than go is able to skew the personalities to his favor. Based on the fact he is the single most biased and politically oriented president in modern history, this shows contempt for the process, democracy and is a continuation of "see me" politics of all talk no walk.

Another giant publicity stunt
 
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/dp-co...2-would-agreeable-convention-delegates-7.html
Here he is right now offering membership to those not in the convention. We are seeing the birth of a dictator right before our eyes.

This experiment is not a failure. There is something real that can be learned from it. People in charge, will almost always seek more power. That's what makes our actual real Constitution so unique. The authors of that wanted to limit power even if they were the people in charge.
 
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And now the only active officer (currently) wants the ability to permaban from this entire sub forum anyone he deems a troll. What could possibly go wrong?

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This experiment is not a failure. There is something real that can be learned from it. People in charge, will almost always seek more power. That's what makes our actual real Constitution so unique. The authors of that wanted to limit power even if they were the people in charge.

The people we have in charge of this exercise did not get that memo, even though we all voiced it.
 
Re: Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions

This experiment is not a failure. There is something real that can be learned from it. People in charge, will almost always seek more power. That's what makes our actual real Constitution so unique. The authors of that wanted to limit power even if they were the people in charge.

Agreed, which is why the more diffuse and closer to the people govt is-the better. I wonder what our conventions lefties have learned from this?
 
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I consider this whole thread a troll thread.

We agreed to elect officers; the officers, as our elected representatives can make decisions such as admitting new members. They are the ones who have to keep track of the members; this is a decision that is entirely within their powers, even though we never stated what those powers were. In any organization, the elected leaders can admit members.

But if you all want to continue trolling on this thread, that's fine. I won't post again on this one. It's just a distraction from the convention which, of course, does seem to be what US Conservative wants.

I urge everyone to stop discussing this issue and get back to preambles, gun rights - yes or no? , and other interesting topics.
 
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So does this mean that Debate Politics is like Somalia now?
 
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I consider this whole thread a troll thread.

We agreed to elect officers; the officers, as our elected representatives can make decisions such as admitting new members. They are the ones who have to keep track of the members; this is a decision that is entirely within their powers, even though we never stated what those powers were. In any organization, the elected leaders can admit members.

But if you all want to continue trolling on this thread, that's fine. I won't post again on this one. It's just a distraction from the convention which, of course, does seem to be what US Conservative wants.

I urge everyone to stop discussing this issue and get back to preambles, gun rights - yes or no? , and other interesting topics.

This is not a troll thread, it is a legitimate complaint. We never agreed that the officers could on their own decide a new dynamic for the convention by admitting new members or opening up the convention to whoever happens to pass by.

This is a legitimate concern about the ability of the officers to shut off the power of the convention at their will. If you cannot, or will not, see that then bow out of the discussion but the rest of us have a valid complaint.

The officers should address our complaint, else what is the purpose of having a convention?
 
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the officers, as our elected representatives can make decisions such as admitting new members.
Says who? That was never discussed, and certainly never voted on. Do you not believe in the rule of law? Why do you hate democracy?
this is a decision that is entirely within their powers, even though we never stated what those powers were.
Again, says who? Show me when and where that was granted. I will wait.
In any organization, the elected leaders can admit members.
As my question above.
It's just a distraction from the convention which, of course, does seem to be what US Conservative wants.
The distraction is a member unilaterally deciding things that will effect the entire convention. Thats not a distraction, and should rightly be scrutinized.
 
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The officers should address our complaint, else what is the purpose of having a convention?

Apparently our President feels the convention's role was to vote him in so he could TELL the convention what its purpose is.
 
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Electing someone like sangha president pretty much voided the entire exercise from the outset. Not sure what people were thinking.

I suspect it was a popularity contest, which is another way authoritarians creep into power.
 
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I think that by comparing the conventions activity and support both before and after my election, two things becomes clear:

1) There are people who are more interested in focusing on rules and procedures and those who prefer discussing the substance of the issues

2) The former leads to people leaving the convention while the latter leads to people wanting to join the convention

There are many other convention members here that have concerns, care to address them?
 
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So y'all don't want joko in and deem it necessary to kick sangha around for it and call him a tyrant after his resignation?

US con had been so quiet up until he discovered his wedge issue to promote that I didn't even know that he was a member.
Stay classy bubba.
 
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So y'all don't want joko in and deem it necessary to kick sangha around for it and call him a tyrant after his resignation?

US con had been so quiet up until he discovered his wedge issue to promote that I didn't even know that he was a member.
Stay classy bubba.

This isn't about joko, nor is it about any wedge issue. I have contacted the President and asked him to address our concerns. Since then, he is in other threads trying to get members to join without the authority to do so. I dont know what that means, but he appears to be avoiding the issue here or flat out does not care. Neither is acceptable in my book.
 
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This isn't about joko, nor is it about any wedge issue. I have contacted the President and asked him to address our concerns. Since then, he is in other threads trying to get members to join without the authority to do so. I dont know what that means, but he appears to be avoiding the issue here or flat out does not care. Neither is acceptable in my book.

Please stand back while I take a big whizz on your book. Is that acceptable to you? I'm guessing that you having contacted our former President didn't involve a PM. Isn't that true?

You're posting this thread is not you having valid concerns for the Constitutional convention. You're just here to stir up ****. Well, you are what you stir. You're ****. You've always been ****, you're **** now, and you will always be ****.

Have fun with it!
 
Re: Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions

This began by necessity with Pirate making "edicts." It is necessary for someone to be in charge until officers are elected. Those officers and the delegates then could change anything they want to.

Obvious and easy to understand.
 
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WHOA, wait a minute...

Let's ponder the history of this complaint...

Initially the Convention was going to open to "everyone."

Then US Conservative just DECLARED ("edict") it was open only to those who voted yes on a poll. Somehow, that just become the EDICT of the Convention - that had never been voted on by anyone nor by any elected officer either. Upon HIS edict, 1/4th of those who voted yes dropped out formally and over 1/2 stopped participation. Closing the convention locked out 100% of new members and 99+% of all members, for which forum staff pretty much then blew off the Convention too.

Creating a way by which others could join into the Convention (also necessary to keep it dwindling down to nothing) lead to the staff allowing some abilities to the officers. The EDICT of US Conservative was dooming this Convention and has done a great deal of harm that hopefully can be undone.

So US Conservative, more than anyone else, is not in a position to complaint of edicts by the ELECTED officer(s), particularly since all decisions by Sangha and Vascu have been stated on the forum after discussion on the forum.

In defense of myself, Pirate not only offered that I could join, he even offered me to take his place - all before the "EDICT" just declared by US Conservative locking almost everyone out. He has never been an officer or in a position to declare any rules or exclusions whatsoever. Pirate, Sangha and Vasu also offered this - and I accepted.

Here's the REAL bottomline: Election of officers needs to be completed promptly, during this all the Convention needs to keep moving (which Sangha has been doing despite many obsticles), and people need to be invited and encouraged to rejoin or join in participation to maximize diversity of opinions, lively debate and discussion.

US Conservative, you can post your views on anything you want freely to your heart's content. But do you have authority to make edicts and demands? No. It is time to move beyond all that.
 
Re: Where did the DP CC President get the power to make impromptu executive decisions

As an observer of this interesting experiment, I think something relevant has been discovered. Forgive me for swerving a bit off topic.

It seems to me, the missing element is one that reflects our current times. That element is the human, face to face one. Thinking important issues can be communicated and negotiated via electronic means is asking too much. Compromise and stubbornness are far different when people have to sit across the table from someone. It is far easier to dig in and be combative when the only emotion is that which can be expressed in words. Thinking those words carry any real weight and import is the great folly of today's social media, and that is likely to be reflected in what is attempting to be done with this project.

I wish you well with this experiment.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...:peace

This is a mental exercise and a way to organize thoughts on the topics, and consider serious political issues, plus Internet interaction. We are real people. What you wrote applies to the entire forum. Nothing of the forum carries real weight out there. Only with each of us, such as it is for each person. It is about US, individually and personally, not the whole world.

Maybe I'm different in that quitting when things aren't as I want them isn't my nature. Maybe its stubbornness, ego, being a fighter, I dunno. I don't get run off easily. That's what quitting is.

The purpose is to debate and vote on Constitutional issues, not build a private clique or personal pecking order tit-for-tats, Officers are necessary to organize topics and put together impartially worded polls so those participating can build a Constitution and Bill of Rights for people to debate and vote on. That should be the essence and that is what people are interested in.
 
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