View Poll Results: Vote on prohibition against trolling, baiting and flaming

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Thread: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    If we can't trust the officers to be reasonably fair, what's the point? Should the officers have some authority - or serve no purpose whatsoever? It comes down to that. No one officer could get anyone banned from the Convention threads. They could NOT move threads, change messages, issue infractions. alter messages or close down any thread. Rather, they (not one of them) could at least TRY to remove someone - likely even not a delegate - who is only trying to derail, flame or attention whore with waves of messages. With the notice the moderator just posted (and Sangha resigning because of), otherwise no one could do anything.

    The PLUS is that moderators will NOT be policing the Convention, will not be issuing infractions (other than such a porn etc), and will not be moving or closing threads. I count that as a BIG plus and towards free speech.

    As it is now, the extreme racist/Nazi/attention whores who suddenly join the forum could troll the Convention into the ground - or just pick some side or member and troll them into the ground. A hardcore conservative or liberal could come from upstairs and endlessly flame the others side. While they can be individually put on ignore, most people will just bail out if that fills the threads. Its no fun having a troll stalking you incessantly - and the ignore feature doesn't block quotes.

    But its up to delegates. Do you want a way to block anyone from posting or no way at all? It does come down to that.

    It's not the same as Mafia games because there is no partisan and ideological fury that arises in those. Other members don't raid Mafia games much as they aren't interested in them (and/or don't understand what it is).
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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I vote yes...but ONLY on the condition that the accused has the opportunity to defend his or her alleged actions.
    That is a fair condition. There has been no efforts by the officers to retaliate or get anyone. Rather, a moderator advised there will be NO enforcement except of porn, posting personal info etc. That makes this forum more open to being trash threads and derailing junk than the basement. I don't think it would last long that way.

    This is less enforcement than anything up stairs, less power than any mod, DM or bartender. No infractions or thread closing and it takes the officers, no one person could do it. It is a safeguard against the Convention being outside trolled into the ground.

    This topic and poll doesn't stop all the other topics and issues continuing on.

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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    I doubt anyone ever intended this whole thing, including the Game Forum, to be this exclusive club. The dangers in "banning by popular vote" should be apparent. In order to justify something so significant, I'd think the problem would have to be real severe and have already presented itself. I don't see where that's the case and quite frankly, I've seen some baiting between participants. Right now there's some leeway for that. Not sure you'd like it any better if there wasn't.

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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    I just want to let everyone know that this is now an official thread and the results of this thread will be considered binding on the convention

    To anyone new to this thread, please read the OP and the OP I wrote in the thread linked below and then please vote in this poll
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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I doubt anyone ever intended this whole thing, including the Game Forum, to be this exclusive club. The dangers in "banning by popular vote" should be apparent. In order to justify something so significant, I'd think the problem would have to be real severe and have already presented itself. I don't see where that's the case and quite frankly, I've seen some baiting between participants. Right now there's some leeway for that. Not sure you'd like it any better if there wasn't.
    There's nothing exclusive going on here. You, for example, are not a delegate but here you are, posting and discussing this matter and no one is objecting or trying to stop you.

    And if you would like to be a delegate, send me a PM requesting that you be allowed to vote and have your vote counted.
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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There's nothing exclusive going on here. You, for example, are not a delegate but here you are, posting and discussing this matter and no one is objecting or trying to stop you.

    And if you would like to be a delegate, send me a PM requesting that you be allowed to vote and have your vote counted.
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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    Sorry folks. Didn't realize some things had changed in how this was going to be handled. Re-opening the thread. I've been away from the forums for some time due to personal reasons. I'll try and catch up as I can.
    Last edited by Kal'Stang; 12-19-14 at 09:33 PM.

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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sorry folks. Didn't realize some things had changed in how this was going to be handled. Re-opening the thread. I've been away from the forums for some time due to personal reasons. I'll try and catch up as I can.
    Thank you.

    OK FOLKS. VOTE. The purpose of this poll is to give some means for the full set of our Convention elected officers to address a SERIOUS TROLL-STALKING-DERAILMENT attack - if that happens. It would take the officers - not one officer.
    No power to close threads, move messages, alter messages or do infractions.
    Warning would have to be given. The member (including non-delegates) could tell their side and make their defense.
    The officers have shown they are fair despite their differences on issues, and there will be 3 officers. If we can't trust them to be fair, its pointless anyway nor any reason to have them if the can do NOTHING even in the most extreme situation.

    It's up to you. Do you want at least some orderliness to the Convention or it a runaway free-for-all with not structure?

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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    The occasional truly disruptive person will need to be dealt with and that job should fall to our elected leaders. I trust that they will be fair and evenhanded.
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    Re: Would this be agreeable to Convention Delegates?

    Seriously? What the Hell kind of question is this??? That's like asking if police officers should be allowed to stop aggravated assault!
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