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  • Gun rights, explain

    15 62.50%
  • Abortion, explain

    7 29.17%
  • Gay marriage, explain

    7 29.17%
  • Marijuana, explain

    9 37.50%
  • State Rights, explain

    15 62.50%
  • Trayvon Martin, explain

    1 4.17%
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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The only checks and balances the federal government should impose on any state is to prevent the various states from doing material or economic harm to each other. In other words Texas can't declare any kind of 'war' on New Mexico, etc. and one state cannot pollute the air or water shared with other states with impunity, etc. Otherwise why should we assume that those in federal office are more noble or better qualified to determine what is best for the people of Texas or New Mexico than the governments those people choose for their states?
    Because history has shown us that states will discriminate against groups of people; for whatever reason - probably the federal courts - the federal govt has been less likely to.

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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Because history has shown us that states will discriminate against groups of people; for whatever reason - probably the federal courts - the federal govt has been less likely to.
    Well we will adamantly disagree on that point as I think the federal government has been far more guilty of overreach in that regard than have most of the states.

    More importantly, if the laws of a state become intolerable for its citizens, the citizens are much more able to deal with it constructively and/or move to a state with better laws. With federal laws, there is no escape and no place to go where you can better govern yourself short of giving up your country.
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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The only checks and balances the federal government should impose on any state is to prevent the various states from doing material or economic harm to each other. In other words Texas can't declare any kind of 'war' on New Mexico, etc. and one state cannot pollute the air or water shared with other states with impunity, etc. Otherwise why should we assume that those in federal office are more noble or better qualified to determine what is best for the people of Texas or New Mexico than the governments those people choose for their states?
    Sorry, we're one country, you know, E pluribus unum and junk, not fifty fiefdoms I for one have no desire to resurrect feudalism, civil rights are bestowed upon each person in this country, and everyone should be able to enforce their rights against the states. Through the federal courts.
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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well we will adamantly disagree on that point as I think the federal government has been far more guilty of overreach in that regard than have most of the states.

    More importantly, if the laws of a state become intolerable for its citizens, the citizens are much more able to deal with it constructively and/or move to a state with better laws. With federal laws, there is no escape and no place to go where you can better govern yourself short of giving up your country.
    It is really telling that you consider civil rights to be a federal restriction, remember big brother says freedom is slavery
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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    I voted for the chronic. The government should not be able to regulate a plant and on the wider issue, I oppose the government facilitating rent-seeking beyond physical objects (no intellectual property rights protections)

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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Sorry, we're one country, you know, E pluribus unum and junk, not fifty fiefdoms I for one have no desire to resurrect feudalism, civil rights are bestowed upon each person in this country, and everyone should be able to enforce their rights against the states. Through the federal courts.
    So we put you down for a national government with complete power to order the people to do whatever those in government want them to do. Or not do. Such people either want unlimited power or they do not trust the people to make good decisions when they are allowed to govern themselves.
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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It is really telling that you consider civil rights to be a federal restriction, remember big brother says freedom is slavery
    I trust people blessed with liberty to make far better choices for themselves than I trust any government to make those choices for them.
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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    Rights should be assumed and only entered into if there are restrictions. The right to bear arms should be federally protected. Leave the specifics up to the states - which would define how to protect such as to require registration or not, to allow interstate travel or not, and states can choose to recognize other states registrations or licenses. The fees for these registrations, travel or license would go to the state and a % of that would go to the federal government. This would allocate funds to continued protection, changes to the law (future) as well as education and outreach about firearms as well as import/export of firearms. What will or will not be included as a firearm allowable by the Fed and protected must be defined.

    Obviously, since I defer to states and the federal government would allow the states to dictate their own laws and methodology, The fed will protect the states but a mutual agreement between those states and the fed must exist. As well, who will have final say (the fed) but under what circumstances? If we say "all" circumstances we set the stage for yet another large federal bureaucracy which requires lots of money and lots of people.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Discussion only: Gun rights, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Marijuana, State Rights

    The way I see it, I cannot see how any rights granted by our current constitution with the amendments as it is right now would not transfer to this new constitution we draft.

    So whatever constitution we draft is essentially going to be adding/specifying certain existing rights so as to create less confusion.

    Therefor, abortion would definitely be a good discussion (since I would see that as part of a right that would be separate of privacy but a right none the less) that is very important.
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