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    Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Please contribute your ideas to the Debate Politics Constitutional Preamble. Preamble=an introductory statement; preface; introduction.


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    The Preamble to the Constitution is an introductory, succinct statement of the principles at work in the full text. It is referred to in countless speeches, judicial opinions, and in a song from Schoolhouse Rock. Courts will not interpret the Preamble to confer any rights or powers not granted specifically in the Constitution.

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America[Debate Politics Forum] .

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    I feel the preamble to COTUS is actually a fine starting point to our DP constitution. It is brief but covers the important points, and I think that adopting it into our own DP constitution is a good idea. Another benefit, is that its existing structure will expedite the processes to the DP constitution.

    There are assumptions made in adopting this, clearly it would imply that a group of states be united as one nation, that we expect our govt to maintain domestic peace and common defense (so law enforcement/military at the very least) etc.

    Perhaps there are some who agree or disagree with this if so make your opinions known!

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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Please contribute your ideas to the Debate Politics Constitutional Preamble. Preamble=an introductory statement; preface; introduction.






    I feel the preamble to COTUS is actually a fine starting point to our DP constitution. It is brief but covers the important points, and I think that adopting it into our own DP constitution is a good idea. Another benefit, is that its existing structure will expedite the processes to the DP constitution.

    There are assumptions made in adopting this, clearly it would imply that a group of states be united as one nation, that we expect our govt to maintain domestic peace and common defense (so law enforcement/military at the very least) etc.

    Perhaps there are some who agree or disagree with this if so make your opinions known!
    I agree that COTUS is a great place to start. However, I think it would be useful for us to establish a more clear understanding of what we want those phrases (ex "a more perfect union", "general welfare", etc) to mean in *our* constitution.
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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

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    Please contribute your ideas
    I think the Preamble is very good and presents the vision very well. I think it could be adequately translated in today's terms so that more people would be aware of what our government is designed to accomplish.

    I think this is a translation that says the same thing but might generate more interest from the average citizen.

    We the People of the United States, in order to form a better society, establish fairness under the law, insure peace among its citizens, provide for the national defense of our nation, promote a good life for all citizens, and secure liberty to ourselves and the future citizens, do establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree that COTUS is a great place to start. However, I think it would be useful for us to establish a more clear understanding of what we want those phrases (ex "a more perfect union", "general welfare", etc) to mean in *our* constitution.
    We should have a definitions section? I remember reading that THomas Jefferson was against the supreme court and we could avoid having an SC by putting a definition section in the constitution to avoid misinterpretations.
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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I think the Preamble is very good and presents the vision very well. I think it could be adequately translated in today's terms so that more people would be aware of what our government is designed to accomplish.

    I think this is a translation that says the same thing but might generate more interest from the average citizen.

    We the People of the United States, in order to form a better society, establish fairness under the law, insure peace among its citizens, provide for the national defense of our nation, promote a good life for all citizens, and secure liberty to ourselves and the future citizens, do establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    I disagree with the translation. "Fairness" is a subjective and loaded term, so is "good".

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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    We should have a definitions section? I remember reading that THomas Jefferson was against the supreme court and we could avoid having an SC by putting a definition section in the constitution to avoid misinterpretations.
    Not a bad idea, in this threads OP I linked to a legal dictionary, we should use one to avoid amorphous terms like "fairness" and "good" that will be exploited. The Constitutions knew human nature (that there would be exploiters), and so do we so we should do all we can to keep things very clear.

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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I disagree with the translation. "Fairness" is a subjective and loaded term, so is "good".
    Justice, "more perfect", and liberty are also fairly subjective.

    But I agree that the clearer we can be, the better
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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Justice, "more perfect", and liberty are also fairly subjective.

    But I agree that the clearer we can be, the better
    They are more perfect than fair and good.

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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They are more perfect than fair and good.
    That's true. I guess my point is that, people and words being what they are, different people will use any opening to interpret text in a way that suits their purposes. The better (another subjective) the job we do in making ourselves clear, the better the text will be.
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    re: Constitutional Convention Preamble[W:425]

    Agreed with others, before we get to the preamble should we discuss the general government style we want to go with? I would be concerned with a preamble as the originating point assuming someone puts in language that suggests that model. Thoughts?
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