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    A Message from the President

    First thing, I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in this convention. IMO, the fact that we have 60 people voting bodes well for this experiment.


    I'd also like to thank PirateMk1, Paleocon and our new Secretary, vasudatorrent for all of the time and hard work they've put into this effort so far.


    I suspect that the biggest concern all of us have is the possibility that this convention will either devolve into just another of DP's many shouting matches, or die from lack of interest. IMO, the fact that 82 posters have joined the effort demonstrates that there is no lack of interest and as President, it is my goal to ensure that this interest does not dwindle due to a lack of progress.


    And so, I am eager to get to work, but that raises the question of "Where do we start?" There have been a number of suggestions and several have stated their preference, but since this convention operates on consensus and democratic principles, I will be starting a poll listing the suggestions that have been made and we will all vote. Whichever choice gets the most votes will be our first priority, and the 2nd most popular choice will be our 2nd priority...rinse and repeat.


    I'd like to note that just because one option has received the most votes, that does not mean we can not work on or discuss any of the other options. It merely means that we, as a group, have agreed that the first priority is to put our main focus on that option and by "main focus" I do not mean "single minded". We can multi-task. However, I am concerned about the possibility of the conference dividing its' time into too many issues at once, so I would like to ask (this is a request, not a command) that we limit ourselves to the #1 priority for the first 7 days. I think that will give us enough time to get enough of a handle of where we're going with that issue after which, it should not be disruptive or chaotic to begin discussing and dealing with the 2nd priority


    Finally, I would like to present my thoughts about the nature of what we are setting out to do, in the hopes that it will contribute to making this a productive effort. Let me know what you think about it


    What we are trying to do here is very different from what we usually do here at Debate Politics (ie "debate"). In a debate, the object is to "win" by presenting the strongest arguments and undercutting your opponents arguments, preferably including some wit in the process. Now I have nothing against wit but in this convention, merely presenting strong arguments or undercutting the arguments of others is not how "winning" is defined, no matter how witty one is. Winning means "offering a motion that wins a majority (or possibly super-majority) of the vote". If your motion doesn't get passed, all you have accomplished is merely what we do here every day - you've engaged in a debate and said your piece.


    We have a different goal here than the goal we have in other threads, and different objectives require different tactics. Telling another member of the convention that their idea is "stupid" or that they've been brainwashed by FoxNews, MSNBC, etc will not win any votes for your motion. If your motion is unable to get enough votes, the normal mode of discourse for DP is unlikely to get a member who disagrees with you to support and vote for your motion, but compromise might work.


    If your motion is unable to get enough votes, ask others what their concerns are and then consider if your motion might be altered in a manner that would address their concerns without undoing the good you think your motion would achieve. It may require you to accept less than what you consider optimal, but this is a political exercise and it requires consensus. As rightous as your position may be, it is worthless if it can't be put into the constitution and that won't happen unless it passes in a vote.


    In addition to making it more likely that your motion will pass, I think it will also help us maintain a productive tone in the convention. We have a choice in front of us - we can engage in the same old back and forth we've seen in all the other threads, or we can exercise some restraint and work together to produce a constitution that will be supported by the consensus of this convention. In the end, it is up to all of us to make that happen. I believe we all do want that to happen, so I ask that you all, at the very least, consider what I've just said


    And let me know what you think about this idea of mine or any other idea you think might contribute to a productive convention. I'd like this thread to be an open discussion about what direction we should take, how to promote a productive "environment" and any concerns you may have about the direction the convention has taken so far. Once the members have had a chance to make their opinions and concerns known, we can begin to set an agenda and start working.

    Thank you all.
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    Re: A Message from the President

    This is my opinion...just start the vote on the various priorities. Let's get started.
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    Re: A Message from the President

    If I may propose something at this point, I think it would be helpful to create a mechanism to alert everyone on the list, that a new entry has been made.

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    Re: A Message from the President

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If I may propose something at this point, I think it would be helpful to create a mechanism to alert everyone on the list, that a new entry has been made.
    Paleocon, PirateMk1 and I were using that tactic earlier. It was annoying to some members. I think it is safe to assume that if Sangha starts a thread in the Constitution forum then it is related to the Debate Politics Constitutional Convention. There are search options for finding threads posted by a particular member. A person can also scan the Constitution forum to find new threads.

    If people were interested enough to participate then they will be interested enough to search out the information. The president is also working with mods to create a sub-forum for our project. I personally see no need for a system for alerting members until we notice a sharp drop in participation during the votes whenever they are held.

    Your input is helpful. If adjustments need to be made we can certainly establish a mechanism for alerting all members of new posts. Thanks for the suggestion.

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    Re: A Message from the President

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    This is my opinion...just start the vote on the various priorities. Let's get started.
    Tomorrow I will start a poll on prioritizing our next step. Like you, I'd like to get to work quickly. I only held off this long because I wanted to give others the chance to post suggestions to be included in the poll, but I can't wait forever.
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    Re: A Message from the President

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If I may propose something at this point, I think it would be helpful to create a mechanism to alert everyone on the list, that a new entry has been made.
    I had an idea about that. I was thinking we can have a thread where the only people who post are officers. Whenever an official thread that all members should be made aware of is created (such as a poll thread, etc) an officer will post the notification list in a post that includes a link to that thread and a brief description. As a result all members will receive a notification that they've been quoted. When they click on the link to their quote in the "Who quoted me" portion of their User Control Panel, it will bring them to this thread where they will see the link and description and then they can click on that

    If any member does not want to receive these notifications, they can inform the Sec'y and he will remove their name from the notification list.

    What do you think?
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    Re: A Message from the President

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I had an idea about that. I was thinking we can have a thread where the only people who post are officers. Whenever an official thread that all members should be made aware of is created (such as a poll thread, etc) an officer will post the notification list in a post that includes a link to that thread and a brief description. As a result all members will receive a notification that they've been quoted. When they click on the link to their quote in the "Who quoted me" portion of their User Control Panel, it will bring them to this thread where they will see the link and description and then they can click on that

    If any member does not want to receive these notifications, they can inform the Sec'y and he will remove their name from the notification list.

    What do you think?
    That sounds like a good idea and I would second it.

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    Re: A Message from the President

    Very Presidential Speech. This idea should be implemented throughout the whole forum TBH
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    Re: A Message from the President

    I say we cover marriage first; it's arguably the most controversial issue facing this convention, so we should try to get it out of the way first. Besides, if we start out with something easy, we run the risk of losing inertia, and by extent, interest. No matter what, we have to keep this convention from crawling to a standstill.
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    Re: A Message from the President

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Tomorrow I will start a poll on prioritizing our next step. Like you, I'd like to get to work quickly. I only held off this long because I wanted to give others the chance to post suggestions to be included in the poll, but I can't wait forever.
    I object, I suggest that you observe Thanksgiving instead.

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