Page 6 of 16 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 157

Thread: Question for the guys

  1. #51
    Maquis Admiral
    maquiscat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    9,406

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    We were physically female, but not genetically. The set of chromosomes are determined upon conception, but they donít kick in until around six to eight weeks. In other words in the womb males were female because they had not developed enough yet to release the testosterone to activate the Y chromosome. But the key is that genetically a male is a male in the womb even though the Y chromosome has not been activated yet. Of course complications might disrupt that from happening, but the vast majority it works well.
    Is a male still a male if the y chromosome never activates? If they grew up female all their lives, but knew they have the y chromosome, would you still consider that deception?

    Sent from my Z982 using Tapatalk
    Bi, Poly, Switch. I'm not indecisive, I'm greedy!

    My leaving the conversation does not indicate you won. It means that real life took priority, or I have just tired of your idiocy.

  2. #52
    Maquis Admiral
    maquiscat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    9,406

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You can and should protest being lied to (omitting information is also lying) especially in this situation. Perhaps you do not understand but, something like this happening to someone could have long lasting psychological effects. You could certainly sue for damages.
    I am going to disagree on the omitting part. You would have to prove that you had such a right to that knowledge as to compel another to reveal it to you before, if ever, they are ready to reveal. If you would never have sex with a woman who has had a tubal ligation, as would be your right to choose what is and isn't an issue for you, does that right compel her to volunteer on her own that information? If not then why is gender reassignment any different?

    Sent from my Z982 using Tapatalk
    Bi, Poly, Switch. I'm not indecisive, I'm greedy!

    My leaving the conversation does not indicate you won. It means that real life took priority, or I have just tired of your idiocy.

  3. #53
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    14,609

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Very interesting read. And I will agree that if you are directly lied to, then yes it would be rape by deception. With that said, we now have to ask do you have any right to know another person's gender or sexual history? You certainly have a right to ask, and a right to refuse your consent should they not give it when asked. But does any right you possess require that other person to volunteer information? So if you fail to ask if they were ever previously male, would it be rape by deception?

    Sent from my Z982 using Tapatalk
    Actually yes I do have the right to know if the person that I plan on screwing used to be the same sex as me. If we go by the OP we should have been well beyond that already.

  4. #54
    Maquis Admiral
    maquiscat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    9,406

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Actually yes I do have the right to know if the person that I plan on screwing used to be the same sex as me. If we go by the OP we should have been well beyond that already.
    By what right do you get to know their medical history, especially if you don't ask? And even if you do ask you still have no right to the information. That they might be willing to share it by no means give you that right. Your rights are to inquire and to decide whether to proceed or not based upon the answers or lack thereof.

    Sent from my Z982 using Tapatalk
    Bi, Poly, Switch. I'm not indecisive, I'm greedy!

    My leaving the conversation does not indicate you won. It means that real life took priority, or I have just tired of your idiocy.

  5. #55
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    14,609

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    No you don't need such, but the way you responded to the other, there was an impression that you were responding as though someone made such a claim.
    What can I say; you made a mistake?



    W
    hat proof do you have that such is the standard? Why does one need to be repulsed by the idea of sex with one of their own gender in order to be straight? Your sexual orientation is what sexually attracts you, not what repulses you. There are plenty of people who simply are not repulsed by the idea. Many are the straight porn actors, men and women, who will do gay porn, because they are not repulsed by it and then pay is good. Even among the every day people, you can easily find someone who when asked why they wouldn't have gay sex the answer is simply, "eh, it does nothing for me." but would also being willing to do so for incentive, such as money. But here is an article on the topic anyway.
    Why Straight Men Have Sex With Each Other
    Of course there are always an exception to the rule; thanks for pointing out that minorities exist. But like most people in that realm you cannot use their existence to paint with a broad brush. I mean seriously the porn industry? Argh...

    Anyways how do you know that those people are heterosexual and not something else? You gave me a link to what amounts to an opinion piece. Jane Ward, an associate professor of women’s studies at the University of California is a outspoken feminist. I am sure that she has all kinds of biased opinions that I do not need to waste my time on. lets check out her blog: Feminist Pigs " Feminist Pigs welcome to the queer feminist homestead" And her official site: scholarship for the feminist revolution - Jane Ward feminist queer professor and author of Not Gay and other sexuality studies books where she politely points out her biases.

  6. #56
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    14,609

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    By what right do you get to know their medical history, especially if you don't ask? And even if you do ask you still have no right to the information. That they might be willing to share it by no means give you that right. Your rights are to inquire and to decide whether to proceed or not based upon the answers or lack thereof.

    Sent from my Z982 using Tapatalk
    Point blankly anyone who I would have a relationship with should be overjoyed to share their story, if not they can **** off. Remember your rights end where others starts. In this case a transgender procedure is important enough that I have a right to know about it if I am in a relationship (like in the OP).

    Relationships are a joint venture. If you are hiding that you are transgender, you are doing so solely for personal reasons which would be selfish at best. When a secret that big is purposely done to deceive their partner, what does that say about that person? It says that, that person is a very dishonest person. They have established themselves as manipulative and completely dishonest. Given the OP we can assume that the transgender person omitted the information in order to screw them. Once they got laid now they spill the beans? Again I assert that this is a form of sexual assault. Its obvious from the Op that they manipulated and lied (by omission) to have sex with someone who most likely would not have given consent had they known. Its textbook no consent sexual assault.

  7. #57
    You Rang?

    lurchadams's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Seattle Area
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,860

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    Let's imagine that you had sex with a "woman", and "she" only told you about her trans-ness after you had slept with her. What would your reaction be?

    Let's be honest.
    Unless I wanted to have more children (which I don't) I'd be fine with it. If all parts are functional, what difference does it make?
    102 contacts between Trumpís team and Russia linked operatives, 28 meetings. None of these contacts were ever reported. Instead, the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.

  8. #58
    Professor lwf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2018
    Location
    PNW
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    2,418

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No one cares about birthmarks being removed its a stupid comparison. People do care about sticking their dick into a mans inverted penis. I can guess how most heterosexual males would think of that, and it makes me think that you have no clue what that would be. Such a realization could cost the person thousands of dollars on therapy sessions to deal will what could be considered PTSD. Let me point this out to you: heterosexuals should not be forced to have sex with transgender persons ever. Had the character in OP been aware of the situation it is likely (given their heterosexuality) that they would not have consented to sex with a transgendered person. No one has the right to force you to do something that you do not want to do. Lying/omitting information to get you to do something that you do not want to do, is coercion.

    You may have consented to sex with a heterosexual person, but that person was not only not a heterosexual but purposely deceived you into thinking that they were heterosexual. Once you are aware that they are not heterosexual the consent that you gave before is no longer valid consent. You were tricked into sex by omitting what should have been information given willingly. Being tricked into sex is not consent. For more information on consent: Sexual assault | womenshealth.gov "Sometimes you cannot give legal consent to sexual activity or contact — for example, if you are:

    Threatened, forced, coerced, or manipulated into agreeing"

    The conditions in the OP can easily be said to be "manipulated into agreeing".
    I disagree. Can a woman sue a man she voluntarily had sex with if he told her he works in finance at a fortune 500 company when he actually works as a bank teller? Is this coercion? What if she ends up in therapy over it? Is he responsible for her bills? Can a man sue a woman he voluntarily had sex with because he sees her without makeup the next morning? Is this coercion? What if this leads to therapy sessions for the man? Is she responsible for his bills?

    Lying your way into sex is immoral but not illegal, my friend, and omitting the truth about something that one could argue isn't even any of your business is common practice. You still have choice in the matter. And no matter how irrationally devastated you might personally feel after later finding out the beautiful woman you had consensual sex with had a Y chromosome, you have no grounds to sue.
    Last edited by lwf; 04-15-19 at 10:39 AM.

  9. #59
    Professor lwf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2018
    Location
    PNW
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    2,418

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Point blankly anyone who I would have a relationship with should be overjoyed to share their story, if not they can **** off. Remember your rights end where others starts. In this case a transgender procedure is important enough that I have a right to know about it if I am in a relationship (like in the OP).

    Relationships are a joint venture. If you are hiding that you are transgender, you are doing so solely for personal reasons which would be selfish at best. When a secret that big is purposely done to deceive their partner, what does that say about that person? It says that, that person is a very dishonest person. They have established themselves as manipulative and completely dishonest. Given the OP we can assume that the transgender person omitted the information in order to screw them.
    I am with you up to this point. You have a right to feel betrayed by someone if they purposely lie to you in order to have sex with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Once they got laid now they spill the beans? Again I assert that this is a form of sexual assault. Its obvious from the Op that they manipulated and lied (by omission) to have sex with someone who most likely would not have given consent had they known. Its textbook no consent sexual assault.
    This is not sexual assault. No measurable harm has been done to you. Think about it this way: If you had never found out the beautiful woman you had sex with had a Y chromosome, would any actual harm have been done?

  10. #60
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    14,609

    Re: Question for the guys

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    I am with you up to this point. You have a right to feel betrayed by someone if they purposely lie to you in order to have sex with you.



    This is not sexual assault. No measurable harm has been done to you. Think about it this way: If you had never found out the beautiful woman you had sex with had a Y chromosome, would any actual harm have been done?

    What I am asserting is that I m not fine with a transgender person lying to me to have sex with me, and according to the law that is a form of sexual assault.

    The transgender person in the scenario in the OP can easily be assumed to have not told the other person about being transgender since doing so probably would have resulted in no consent to have sex. The evidence being that the transgender person then admitted to being transgender only after they had sex. The OP does not present an voluntary informed consent, the decision was not made by anyone other than the transgender person (they were the only one truly informed and thus maliciously hide information in order to have sex). That is called sexual assault.

    You claim that "No measurable harm has been done to you" if a transgender person lies (omission is a form of lying) to have sex with you. How did you come to that conclusion? Did you consider the mental harm that such knowledge can have a person? You seem to be only projecting your own bias. Sure there are some people who would not care and more power to them. But for those who do care; what of their rights? Remember your rights stop where my rights begin. A transgender person has the right to their privacy. But they do not have the right to deceive their partner in order to have sex with them. Of course not all of the states have rape by deceit laws, but that does not bar civil lawsuits. Certainly it can be shown to be harmful to a persons mental condition. For many men waking up everyday and realizing that you has sex with some who used to be a man them self, cuts to the core of their personal inner self. It could certainly cause PTSD syndrome.

Page 6 of 16 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •