Do women have it easier than men in the dating world?

It's easier for women to find a partner. I don't think it is necessarily easier for them to find a quality partner.

radcen said:

When it comes to FINDING a date, yes, women have it easier. The flip side, of course, is that there are other potential factors where men are much better off. Potential to be a victim of violence, etc. But if you're only talking of finding a date, women have that far easier.

You could also extend that to sex, i.e. the "one night stand". If the only thing a woman wants is to get laid, with no other considerations whatsoever, pretty much any woman no matter what her looks can find some guy somewhere willing to accommodate her. Might take visiting a couple bars, but some guy will be more than happy to oblige. Guys? Not as easy. Looks, intelligence, etc., do matter.

As a general rule.

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Yep, this I agree with. Women can find a date with a guy, or have a one night stand, easier than men. That said, it doesn't mean it's a quality date, and I believe most women don't want to sleep with just any guy, which is why I agree that it isn't exactly "easier" for women in the dating world, just different. I've noticed this in online dating as well, where almost every women mentions on their profile that they are looking for a decent guy, and not sex or a "FWB". On the other hand, I never came across any guys profile that stated they weren't looking for sex or a "FWB". I'd venture to say your average guy in general would have no problems with a no strings attached one night stand compared to your average women.

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Yep, this I agree with. Women can find a date with a guy, or have a one night stand, easier than men. That said, it doesn't mean it's a quality date, and I believe most women don't want to sleep with just any guy, which is why I agree that it isn't exactly "easier" for women in the dating world, just different. I've noticed this in online dating as well, where almost every women mentions on their profile that they are looking for a decent guy, and not sex or a "FWB". On the other hand, I never came across any guys profile that stated they weren't looking for sex or a "FWB". I'd venture to say your average guy in general would have no problems with a no strings attached one night stand compared to your average women.

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Totally agree. If a woman just wants to find A date, she has it easier. If she's looking for quality, the odds better approach 50/50.

ThoughtEx. said:

Wow, didn't expect this kind of ignorance out of a woman. But what do you expect out of someone that voted for the ***** grabber in chief...

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Where'd you go? No response to my last comment to you?

Josie said:

Domestic violence isn't even in the top 10 of causes of death in women in the US. It might be a huge problem in other countries, but in the US it's nowhere near your the-sky-is-falling response. You said any woman who goes on a date is "literally gambling with their lives". That's a HUGE exaggeration and just a dumb thing to say.

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Josie said:

Where'd you go? No response to my last comment to you?

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Domestic violence is also one of the most under reported crimes in the US, along with outright rape. And when it is reported, it's usually turned around on the victim. And you are basically arguing here, that men in the US are somehow different from men anywhere else in the world. They aren't, women are just slightly better protected under the law, and slightly more careful about the situations they are in. When they shouldn't have to be.

It's not an exaggeration, I wasn't avoiding anything, I just would prefer not having to prove to a woman that worldwide male violence is the leading cause of death in women. Or that somehow the US vastly under reported numbers somehow make that statement an exaggeration. When you look anywhere else, literally anywhere else for the US rates, they are on par with the rest of the world.

Intimate Partner Violence

You can claim that the numbers are not under reported, all day long. But you would just be enabling the broken system that does very little to protect women. So please, go work against your own interests somewhere else. I have no interest in enabling that kind of stupidity.

ThoughtEx. said:

Domestic violence is also one of the most under reported crimes in the US, along with outright rape. And when it is reported, it's usually turned around on the victim. And you are basically arguing here, that men in the US are somehow different from men anywhere else in the world. They aren't, women are just slightly better protected under the law, and slightly more careful about the situations they are in. When they shouldn't have to be.

It's not an exaggeration, I wasn't avoiding anything, I just would prefer not having to prove to a woman that worldwide male violence is the leading cause of death in women. Or that somehow the US vastly under reported numbers somehow make that statement an exaggeration. When you look anywhere else, literally anywhere else for the US rates, they are on par with the rest of the world.

Intimate Partner Violence

You can claim that the numbers are not under reported, all day long. But you would just be enabling the broken system that does very little to protect women. So please, go work against your own interests somewhere else. I have no interest in enabling that kind of stupidity.

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I argue that if the so-called victim does not care to bring his/her victimization to our attention then we should move on to people who do want our help.

I have no need to guess at "Unreported Victim" numbers.

I barely believe in the concept.

Hawkeye10 said:

I argue that if the so-called victim does not care to bring his/her victimization to our attention then we should move on to people who do want our help.

I have no need to guess at "Unreported Victim" numbers.

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Somehow, I'm not surprised by your position...

Have another cup of covfefe, and stop bothering me with **** I already assume about you.

ThoughtEx. said:

Domestic violence is also one of the most under reported crimes in the US, along with outright rape.
And when it is reported, it's usually turned around on the victim.

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Your entire premise is that "male violence is the leading cause of death in women". I showed you that isn't true -- in the US, anyway. So now you're saying it's STILL is the leading cause of death for women, but only because it's under-reported? So, essentially, you're making a guess based on no empirical evidence whatsoever. Alrighty.

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And you are basically arguing here, that men in the US are somehow different from men anywhere else in the world. They aren't, women are just slightly better protected under the law, and slightly more careful about the situations they are in. When they shouldn't have to be.

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Um, yeah, from some places - absolutely. Most American men didn't grow up thinking they smack women around, verbally abuse them and/or rape them without very harsh consequences. There are places in the world where men are taught that they can --- and should -- do all of those things for positive consequences. So, yes, US men (and men in many places around the world) are VERY different than those men who treat women like garbage.

ThoughtEx. said:

It's not an exaggeration, I wasn't avoiding anything, I just would prefer not having to prove to a woman that worldwide male violence is the leading cause of death in women.

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Why do you so desperately want this to be true? And, I'm sorry, I'm not a doormat who is just going to believe anything you say. You do have to prove it.

ThoughtEx. said:

Or that somehow the US vastly under reported numbers somehow make that statement an exaggeration. When you look anywhere else, literally anywhere else for the US rates, they are on par with the rest of the world.

Intimate Partner Violence

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What did you hope to accomplish by posting this link? Where does it say that "male violence is the leading cause of death in females in the US"? What exactly do you want me to be looking at here?

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You can claim that the numbers are not under reported, all day long. But you would just be enabling the broken system that does very little to protect women. So please, go work against your own interests somewhere else. I have no interest in enabling that kind of stupidity.

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Very little to protect women? Seriously?? You've got some weird alternate-reality going on in that brain of yours.

SmokeAndMirrors said:

It's just different. Yeah, I'd say women find dates easier. But as you surmise, this can be sifting through more people who are either incompatible or undesirable for one reason or another.

And yes, what ThoughtEx is also true. Women are usually slower to actually go on a date, partly for risk reasons. I'll letcha in on a little female secret: most women over 20 never go on a date without doing their homework on you. If they met you in RL, they ask every woman they know about you and your history. If they meet you online, they have a nice long google session and find everything there is to find about you. If they have a friend who's a good people reader, like myself, you may even find yourself with a third wheel on your second or third date; they want her opinion. I've been called to vetting duty more times than I can count.

Most women have wound up on that date with that guy who is so scary we gave them a fake number and excused ourselves with a bad case of food poisoning. We do that because we're abundantly aware that partner violence is the most common type of violence women face.

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Women have us figured out around age 5. We don't even start wondering till we've been dumped a few times.

Yes, women will check you out if they are interested, and trust me, no one really wants the ones who don't do their homework. The running into a weirdo runs both ways, I once had a woman discuss her sexual needs and complain about male inadequacy on the first meeting....

What I don't understand is how come so many usually smart women still end up with assholes. I know a ton of guys like myself who have fallen for a woman who ends up seeing the biggest jerk in town. I was always the guy pulling the scary guy off the woman. I was once known as "slow hand" because I took my time about advancing the physical end and women always told me they so, so much respected me, then jumped the biggest womanizer around.

Fearandloathing said:

Women have us figured out around age 5. We don't even start wondering till we've been dumped a few times.

Yes, women will check you out if they are interested, and trust me, no one really wants the ones who don't do their homework. The running into a weirdo runs both ways, I once had a woman discuss her sexual needs and complain about male inadequacy on the first meeting....

What I don't understand is how come so many usually smart women still end up with assholes. I know a ton of guys like myself who have fallen for a woman who ends up seeing the biggest jerk in town. I was always the guy pulling the scary guy off the woman. I was once known as "slow hand" because I took my time about advancing the physical end and women always told me they so, so much respected me, then jumped the biggest womanizer around.

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Well, smart women aren't immune to having mental problems, trauma, or just making bad decisions. Actually, smart people have an even higher prevalence of mental illness than their lower intelligence counterparts.

In my experience, women who wind up with problematic guys tend to have problems themselves. Like attracts like.

ThoughtEx. said:

Domestic violence is also one of the most under reported crimes in the US, along with outright rape. And when it is reported, it's usually turned around on the victim. And you are basically arguing here, that men in the US are somehow different from men anywhere else in the world. They aren't, women are just slightly better protected under the law, and slightly more careful about the situations they are in. When they shouldn't have to be.

It's not an exaggeration, I wasn't avoiding anything, I just would prefer not having to prove to a woman that worldwide male violence is the leading cause of death in women. Or that somehow the US vastly under reported numbers somehow make that statement an exaggeration. When you look anywhere else, literally anywhere else for the US rates, they are on par with the rest of the world.

Intimate Partner Violence

You can claim that the numbers are not under reported, all day long. But you would just be enabling the broken system that does very little to protect women. So please, go work against your own interests somewhere else. I have no interest in enabling that kind of stupidity.

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Let's recap.

You made a ridiculous claim with no source. I said it was clearly false. You dismissed me for having no source. You were provided several sources that said you were wrong. You then claimed a grand conspiracy that serially underreports what you know is the truth... but we have no way of knowing how you know that, because you have no source that confirms it.

You also said I was racist for saying "especially not in the west", and then linked to a source (that didn't support your first claim) that said the very thing you think makes me racist - the problem is worse in non-western countries. And then you backpedaled and said maybe Western women have slightly better legal protection.

This must be embarrassing for you.

Josie said:

Your entire premise is that "male violence is the leading cause of death in women". I showed you that isn't true -- in the US, anyway. So now you're saying it's STILL is the leading cause of death for women, but only because it's under-reported? So, essentially, you're making a guess based on no empirical evidence whatsoever. Alrighty.



Um, yeah, from some places - absolutely. Most American men didn't grow up thinking they smack women around, verbally abuse them and/or rape them without very harsh consequences. There are places in the world where men are taught that they can --- and should -- do all of those things for positive consequences. So, yes, US men (and men in many places around the world) are VERY different than those men who treat women like garbage.



Why do you so desperately want this to be true? And, I'm sorry, I'm not a doormat who is just going to believe anything you say. You do have to prove it.



What did you hope to accomplish by posting this link? Where does it say that "male violence is the leading cause of death in females in the US"? What exactly do you want me to be looking at here?



Very little to protect women? Seriously?? You've got some weird alternate-reality going on in that brain of yours.

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You haven't shown anything to not be true. All you've done is try to put the US forward as some great bastion, when it's not. It really really isn't. Just because you grew up and haven't experienced it, doesn't mean your the rule and not the exception. And it doesn't mean I'm exaggerating.

30 Shocking Domestic Violence Statistics That Remind Us It's An Epidemic

With stats like those, in the US, it's naive to think that safety isn't factor in whether a woman chooses a person for a date. 3 women killed everyday. Everyday. But yeah, you go ahead and continue in your own little conservative la la land. I claimed that male violence kills more women than war. From the link.

The number of American troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq between 2001 and 2012 was 6,488. The number of American women who were murdered by current or ex male partners during that time was 11,766. That's nearly double the amount of casualties lost during war.

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I'm embarrassed for you. Please leave me alone, this is like convincing a black person racism exists. Just because they've never experienced it in their little bubble, doesn't mean a damn thing.

And yeah, the system does very little to protect women. It's currently estimated by several separate sources that Sexual Assault is only successfully prosecuted 4% of the time. Rape might as well be legal, that's the world I ****ing live in...

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

Now, you asked what I hoped to accomplish and why I posted a link that didn't combat your straw man. The whole tangent on leading cause of death in the US is you moving the goal post. Because for one, those statistics you're using, are only taken from 16 states. The data doesn't differentiate between one type of homicide over another. The CDC has a special division that handles violence and injury prevention, called the Injury Center you can call them up and have them walk you through the numbers. And why you shouldn't trust the numbers. Ask for Gail Hayes, she's a wonderful person who will hold your hand and break down the data for you.

So your counter information, that proves that I'm exaggerating doesn't even include every state, nor does it even factor in male violence as a cause of death. The fact is for some reason it's nearly impossible to collect accurate data in the US on this. For one, 40% of murders go unsolved. And that's the murders they know about. And when they are being reported they are being reported as just a homicide. There isn't a differentiation on this one was domestic violence, this one was over drugs. And that is largely the fault of the NRA pushing for a certain type of reporting that would make it hard to collect data on gun violence. Unrelated, but it still affects how we collect our data all the same.

So no, I didn't try to counter you bull**** about the US. Because, the amount of work it would require finding accurate statistics outweighs the benefit of proving anything at all to anybody on this website. My original point didn't make any special reference to only women in the US, that's your little straw man tangent. And the worldwide rate of 1 in 4, is the same as the US. 1 in 4 women will experience sexual assault in their lifetime. I'm glad you're not one of the 1 in 4. But that doesn't mean that the problems aren't real because you aren't.

Now please, go force someone else to explain to you that you're worldview is not only wrong, it's damaging to you're own genders struggles.

Gonzo Rodeo said:

Let's recap.

You made a ridiculous claim with no source. I said it was clearly false. You dismissed me for having no source. You were provided several sources that said you were wrong. You then claimed a grand conspiracy that serially underreports what you know is the truth... but we have no way of knowing how you know that, because you have no source that confirms it.

You also said I was racist for saying "especially not in the west", and then linked to a source (that didn't support your first claim) that said the very thing you think makes me racist - the problem is worse in non-western countries. And then you backpedaled and said maybe Western women have slightly better legal protection.

This must be embarrassing for you.

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I didn't back pedal ****. You just have poor reading comprehension, a problem we've ran into before you and I. I post something, you don't understand it, around we go.

ThoughtEx. said:

You haven't shown anything to not be true.

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I've shown you that your assertion isn't true. Several of us have. You simply refuse to believe it.

ThoughtEx. said:

All you've done is try to put the US forward as some great bastion, when it's not. It really really isn't. Just because you grew up and haven't experienced it, doesn't mean your the rule and not the exception. And it doesn't mean I'm exaggerating.

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Your entire premise is that male violence is the leading cause of female DEATHS. You said all women who go out on dates are gambling with their lives. That is a HUGE exaggeration since, in the US, domestic violence isn't even in the top 10 cause of deaths for women. Domestic violence occurs frequently in the US, of course ---- DEATH by domestic violence doesn't no matter how much you want it to be true. Which is really weird that you want it to be true....

ThoughtEx. said:

30 Shocking Domestic Violence Statistics That Remind Us It's An Epidemic

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Again, you're trying to move the goalposts. You said "male violence is the leading cause of female DEATHS." If you need me to help you figure out where you're going wrong here, just let me know and I'll walk you through it slower.

ThoughtEx. said:

With stats like those, in the US, it's naive to think that safety isn't factor in whether a woman chooses a person for a date. 3 women killed everyday. Everyday. But yeah, you go ahead and continue in your own little conservative la la land. I claimed that male violence kills more women than war. From the link.

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And many MORE women die everyday of OTHER reasons that AREN'T domestic violence. Derpity derp.

ThoughtEx. said:

I'm embarrassed for you. Please leave me alone, this is like convincing a black person racism exists. Just because they've never experienced it in their little bubble, doesn't mean a damn thing.

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You're trying to convince me that more women die because of male violence than anything else. And, you're right, I've never experienced death.

ThoughtEx. said:

And yeah, the system does very little to protect women. It's currently estimated by several separate sources that Sexual Assault is only successfully prosecuted 4% of the time. Rape might as well be legal, that's the world I ****ing live in...

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

Now, you asked what I hoped to accomplish and why I posted a link that didn't combat your straw man. The whole tangent on leading cause of death in the US is you moving the goal post. Because for one, those statistics you're using, are only taken from 16 states. The data doesn't differentiate between one type of homicide over another. The CDC has a special division that handles violence and injury prevention, called the Injury Center you can call them up and have them walk you through the numbers. And why you shouldn't trust the numbers. Ask for Gail Hayes, she's a wonderful person who will hold your hand and break down the data for you.

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Great. Show me empirical data that supports your initial claim that "male violence is the leading cause of female death" --- go.

ThoughtEx. said:

So your counter information, that proves that I'm exaggerating doesn't even include every state, nor does it even factor in male violence as a cause of death. The fact is for some reason it's nearly impossible to collect accurate data in the US on this. For one, 40% of murders go unsolved. And that's the murders they know about. And when they are being reported they are being reported as just a homicide. There isn't a differentiation on this one was domestic violence, this one was over drugs. And that is largely the fault of the NRA pushing for a certain type of reporting that would make it hard to collect data on gun violence. Unrelated, but it still affects how we collect our data all the same.

So no, I didn't try to counter you bull**** about the US. Because, the amount of work it would require finding accurate statistics outweighs the benefit of proving anything at all to anybody on this website. My original point didn't make any special reference to only women in the US, that's your little straw man tangent. And the worldwide rate of 1 in 4, is the same as the US. 1 in 4 women will experience sexual assault in their lifetime. I'm glad you're not one of the 1 in 4. But that doesn't mean that the problems aren't real because you aren't.

Now please, go force someone else to explain to you that you're worldview is not only wrong, it's damaging to you're own genders struggles.

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Again - we're not talking about sexual assault -- we're talking about DEATH which would be MURDER. Follow your own argument, for the love of Pete.

ThoughtEx. said:

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I didn't back pedal ****. You just have poor reading comprehension, a problem we've ran into before you and I. I post something, you don't understand it, around we go.

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I understood your claims perfectly. You said male violence is THE leading cause of death for all of humanity's women (it's not even a major cause), and that it's racist to say the west treats women better (which you then proved with a link of your own).

You are blatantly, unrepentantly wrong. It's obvious to everyone, except maybe you.

SmokeAndMirrors said:

Well, smart women aren't immune to having mental problems, trauma, or just making bad decisions. Actually, smart people have an even higher prevalence of mental illness than their lower intelligence counterparts.

In my experience, women who wind up with problematic guys tend to have problems themselves. Like attracts like.

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I did find my soul mate at 42, we had 17 years together and what attracted me most was her intelligence, I told her when we first met that I could never date her because she was my intellectual superior and I didn't want to feel stupid all the time LOL.

And yes, she had severe mood swings, prone to depression but always aware of what was happening. But then I look around me and more than half the people i know are medicating for depression; doctors are proscribing pot as much as SSRI's. My theory is this world has simply become too fast, too loud, too complex. I threw my television away in 1992, because I was being yelled at...and then discovered radio is as bad. We are visually yelled at with signs, billboards, and audio wise; everything beeps, from ATM's to bus ramps to any truck backing up. And then there are pop-up ads.....

ThoughtEx. said:

3 women killed everyday. Everyday.

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...whereas 1 out of every 3 women who die in the US each year fall victim to cardiovascular disease.

420,000 women per year, or 1,185 per day.

That is 395 times as many...

...and you think the disparity is washed away with underreporting?

Fearandloathing said:

I did find my soul mate at 42, we had 17 years together and what attracted me most was her intelligence, I told her when we first met that I could never date her because she was my intellectual superior and I didn't want to feel stupid all the time LOL.

And yes, she had severe mood swings, prone to depression but always aware of what was happening. But then I look around me and more than half the people i know are medicating for depression; doctors are proscribing pot as much as SSRI's. My theory is this world has simply become too fast, too loud, too complex. I threw my television away in 1992, because I was being yelled at...and then discovered radio is as bad. We are visually yelled at with signs, billboards, and audio wise; everything beeps, from ATM's to bus ramps to any truck backing up. And then there are pop-up ads.....

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Yes. It is partly our environment, but the nature of highly intelligent people also makes them more vulnerable. High intelligence often goes together with a highly sensitive nervous system, or quirks of communication, which makes all that stuff you describe more difficult to handle.

Certainly, it isn't typical for so many people to be so mentally ill. And most lower tech, better diet, close-knit community societies do in fact have very low prevalence of depression.

Like you, I threw out the TV a long time ago. My dad and I used to watch SNL together when I was a kid, but by the time I was in my teens, that was the only time we ever used it. The TV broke sometime in the mid-naughts when I was maybe 16 or 17. We simply never got another one, and I never got one in my adult life.

I still don't miss it.

I much prefer media where I have a bit more control over what's being thrown at me, which is probably the main reason I've always been a print media sorta person, when it comes to news. I love cat videos as much as the next person though. :mrgreen:

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why? because you don't want it to be true? I see you posted no information disproving anything. Fact is, it's just as true for the western world as everywhere else.

The Facts on Violence Against Women | BWSS

Way to throw in some casual racism, west = good and middle east = bad, asia = bad, africa = bad. But us here in the whole Western world, we're good people. None of our men are violent, no sir...

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Lmao! Way to throw out some casual accusations of racism when you feel your position isn't solid.

How many posts did you make it in a topic not about racism?

The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).

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blackjack50 said:

Lmao! Way to throw out some casual accusations of racism when you feel your position isn't solid.

How many posts did you make it in a topic not about racism?

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And, hilariously, thoughtex then linked an article that said those specific parts of the world are specifically bad at treating women.

A more prime example of failure, I have never seen.

SmokeAndMirrors said:

Yes. It is partly our environment, but the nature of highly intelligent people also makes them more vulnerable. High intelligence often goes together with a highly sensitive nervous system, or quirks of communication, which makes all that stuff you describe more difficult to handle.

Certainly, it isn't typical for so many people to be so mentally ill. And most lower tech, better diet, close-knit community societies do in fact have very low prevalence of depression.

Like you, I threw out the TV a long time ago. My dad and I used to watch SNL together when I was a kid, but by the time I was in my teens, that was the only time we ever used it. The TV broke sometime in the mid-naughts when I was maybe 16 or 17. We simply never got another one, and I never got one in my adult life.

I still don't miss it.

I much prefer media where I have a bit more control over what's being thrown at me, which is probably the main reason I've always been a print media sorta person, when it comes to news. I love cat videos as much as the next person though. :mrgreen:

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There is also the factor of stress. There are direct links between long term exposure to stress and heart disease, and mental illness. One more aspect there, smarter people usually gravitate to the decision making level, and then it begins an escalation of increasing responsibility for others.

I have always loved print; I loved the noise of large newsroom, the smell of the press, feeling the floor vibrate when the morning edition starts to roll. It is the most accurate, simply because of time and resources and allows the consumer to go back over a line or two if he's been distracted, where as radio, where I worked the most is rapid, you can get a full story on the air while the people are still announcing it. It is the most inaccurate as well, but rarely noticed since the mistake is corrected quickly.

Television is too limited to do real news. Even today with instant and continuing live feeds it is highly subjective and all much the same as tv travels and copies TV. And TV needs pictures. It is a hard law that you never leave more than 25 seconds of a talking head, and the pictures MUST be the most dramatic. YOU could have news on a new peace accord between on North and South Korea, but I will lead the show if I have video of near naked women, copters, fire or explosions and/or the news AND video of X celebrity showing certain body parts.

That's why I left TV.

Men face rejection on the front end, in approaching women for a date. Yes its easier for women to get a date or get laid.

Conversely, women face rejection on the back end, men who use them for sex and never commit.

Men can always play the numbers game and just approach more people, develop thick skin from rejection and learn to move on to the next one. Women do not have this luxury, in fact if they try the numbers game (slut) they face an increasing stigma (cant turn a hoe into a housewife) by men even less inclined to commit given her number of sexual partners.

So remember that if ever you feel a sense of envy at a female's capacity to get a date. Also remember, they have less time to get their family situation sorted out due to the prevailing myth of a ticking biological clock that runs out at ~34.

Gonzo Rodeo said:

And, hilariously, thoughtex then linked an article that said those specific parts of the world are specifically bad at treating women.

A more prime example of failure, I have never seen.

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Hm. You don't think there is any truth in that? Would you rather be a woman in Western Europe or Saudi Arabia? How about China? You realize the amount of truth in his statement right? There is a cultural value (or rather devaluing) that happens to women in non western societies. That is FACT. It is factually better for women in America or France than China or Qatar or wherever. That isn't racist. At WORST that might be culturalist. But how can you stand by and defend them for devaluing women? How can you stay PC by not being PC? Lmao!

The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).

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Hm. You don't think there is any truth in that? Would you rather be a woman in Western Europe or Saudi Arabia? How about China? You realize the amount of truth in his statement right? There is a cultural value (or rather devaluing) that happens to women in non western societies. That is FACT. It is factually better for women in America or France than China or Qatar or wherever. That isn't racist. At WORST that might be culturalist. But how can you stand by and defend them for devaluing women? How can you stay PC by not being PC? Lmao!

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I was the one who originally said the west was better for women, causing ThoughtEx to accuse me of casual racism. ThoughtEx then linked a piece for support that confirmed what I was saying, exactly the opposite of what ThoughtEx said.

Gonzo Rodeo said:

I was the one who originally said the west was better for women, causing ThoughtEx to accuse me of casual racism. ThoughtEx then linked a piece for support that confirmed what I was saying, exactly the opposite of what ThoughtEx said.

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I guess I misread your comment back to me lol no wonder it didn't make sense

The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).

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