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Proposition: Real men do as we want.

Hawkeye10 said:
Because what I am talking about is better quality.

Easy is over rated, I say we have way too much easy already.
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The taming of the shrew holds no attraction for me. Women who mistreat men to see if they will take it lying down act that way because they are unsure of themselves. That would make them poor partners in a relationship, even after they had been set straight.
 
matchlight said:
The taming of the shrew holds no attraction for me. Women who mistreat men to see if they will take it lying down act that way because they are unsure of themselves. That would make them poor partners in a relationship, even after they had been set straight.
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I say that humans are both rational and irrational, and that we are both good and bad, and that we all have profound dark sides.

If you are not dealing with some dark side then how well do you know this person I ask you?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Which is why we have so many woman abusing their men now, and then they wonder why young men would rather sit in the basement playing Playstation or whatever rather than dealing with a woman.
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They know full well while those men exist just like they know why their husbands are always in the garage.
 
Henrin said:
Millennial men don't take charge and just allow women to walk on them. I think it would be best for men to ignore the way millennial men do things. Doing everything feminists want of you, which is what millennial men essentially do in relationships, is hardly a role model to follow. If anything it is the model of the whipped man that doesn't even realize he is whipped.
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I don't know who hurt you, but it will be okay. I'm sure she was a bitch.
 
MrPeanut said:
I don't know who hurt you, but it will be okay. I'm sure she was a bitch.
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Millennial men are doing everything feminists wanted men to do because they bought into all the pile of garbage they were preaching. All they are doing is enabling bad behavior in women and leading to men being the bitches in relationships. Then again, the trend really got going back with the bay boomers, so I guess there is plenty of blame to go around.
 
Henrin said:
I would say quite a few refuse to compromise at all. These women expect you to do as you are told and that's the end of the story.
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Not possible in any relationship where you are the one making the money. Now, if she is making the money? Yes, you will work very hard to get any of it.

My advice to anyone who feels henpecked is to be the breadwinner. It's a game changer.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I say that humans are both rational and irrational, and that we are both good and bad, and that we all have profound dark sides.

If you are not dealing with some dark side then how well do you know this person I ask you?
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That's a little too complicated for me. Obviously no one is at his--or her--best every moment of every day. Barring the rare plausible candidate for sainthood among us, we all may raise our voices, act selfishly, or otherwise do obnoxious things on occasion. Most of us do not expect perfection even in the nicest people, and a sincere apology usually sets things right. But I think a couple in a good relationship should be, first of all, good friends who like and want to help each other. If it were just a intense sexual affair for a few months, I could probably put up with more bizarre, unpleasant behavior, but I would not want a woman like that for a serious, long-term partner.
 
calamity said:
Not possible in any relationship where you are the one making the money. Now, if she is making the money? Yes, you will work very hard to get any of it.

My advice to anyone who feels henpecked is to be the breadwinner. It's a game changer.
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What are you talking about? Men that are the breadwinner find themselves in those kind of situations all the time. Sure, her lack of willingness to compromise is a less of a problem if he earns the money, but its still there all the same.
 
Henrin said:
What are you talking about? Men that are the breadwinner find themselves in those kind of situations all the time. Sure, her lack of willingness to compromise is a less of a problem if he earns the money, but its still there all the same.
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Impossible....unless someone is a fool. No way does a bread winner get treated like dirt unless he likes it that way.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
People are too complex and change too much over time for that argument to hunt.

Plus it is rare for even the best of us to have a firm understanding of who we are before our mid 30's, mid 40's is more common, but many never get there.
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Yeah, that's why I never got married until my forties. Not that I waited to get married based on that knowledge, I just waited for a relationship that worked symbiotically over a couple of years, with no "WTF am I staying here for" moments.

Are you having a rocky time?
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Yeah, that's why I never got married until my forties. Not that I waited to get married based on that knowledge, I just waited for a relationship that worked symbiotically over a couple of years, with no "WTF am I staying here for" moments.

Are you having a rocky time?
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The opposite, an excellent time. I at 23 picked a damaged sexy genius ( she was very good about full disclosure before I did) , a very difficult woman to manage, but I am glad I did. Being good at it is one of the high points of my life. We have been together 32 years, the last few the best, raised three great kids. We did have bad years, she actually filed for divorce once for one thing, I had to over three weeks talk her out of it. She was military, gone a lot, work-a-holic the rest. I had a problem with moodiness and failure to communicate. And more.

I assume you lived with women, otherwise waiting that long and staying fit for living with women is hard to pull off.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The opposite, an excellent time. I at 23 picked a damaged sexy genius ( she was very good about full disclosure before I did) , a very difficult woman to manage, but I am glad I did. Being good at it is one of the high points of my life. We have been together 32 years, the last few the best, raised three great kids. We did have bad years, she actually filed for divorce once for one thing, I had to over three weeks talk her out of it. She was military, gone a lot, work-a-holic the rest. I had a problem with moodiness and failure to communicate. And more.

I assume you lived with women, otherwise waiting that long and staying fit for living with women is hard to pull off.
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I had a long string of girlfriends, a couple of whom I lived with.

I had a very negative attitude about marriage due to my experiences watching others go though it as I was growing up. Others tried, but my wife is the first one I actually let talk me into getting married. I WAS still pretty apprehensive, but it's worked. We've been together since '98.
 
Well, that thread went about as incoherently as expected.
 
I can be right and go hungry for the night.

Or, I can fold up like a cheap lawn chair and eat like a king.

The good wife rules my house.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I can be right and go hungry for the night.

Or, I can fold up like a cheap lawn chair and eat like a king.

The good wife rules my house.
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A philosophy that really has no relevance for younger men. There is really no good reason to have a woman around the house if you're a younger guy. To be brutally honest everything a younger woman offers she can offer with them not living together.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I can be right and go hungry for the night.

Or, I can fold up like a cheap lawn chair and eat like a king.

The good wife rules my house.
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Are you serious or is this a joke?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This former feminist is somewhat surprised that he finds in his 50's that this is actually true...that when women want us enough they will forgive us anything and everthing.

My relationship guru David Deida agrees with me I am pretty damn sure though he has never had the guts to say so so far as I has seen.

How do you feel about that?
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That has never been my experience as a life long bachelor. As long as they cannot forget the relationship will be forever cracked even though not broken it can never be the same.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This former feminist is somewhat surprised that he finds in his 50's that this is actually true...that when women want us enough they will forgive us anything and everthing.

My relationship guru David Deida agrees with me I am pretty damn sure though he has never had the guts to say so so far as I has seen.

How do you feel about that?
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Real men do what they want. I fully agree with this, but do you realize the full implications of this statement?

And by that I am not referring to real men doing anything illegal or harmful to another.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This former feminist is somewhat surprised that he finds in his 50's that this is actually true...that when women want us enough they will forgive us anything and everthing.

My relationship guru David Deida agrees with me I am pretty damn sure though he has never had the guts to say so so far as I has seen.

How do you feel about that?
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I found that it's a 5 strikes you're out kind of game. Actually, it's more a **** in the bowl of Wheaties often enough, and you'll probably just choose to get out on your own.

My ex wives were very forgiving, on the surface. But, with both, my infractions took a toll. After a while the cold shoulder became noticeable enough that it began to wear thin. With first wife, it was me coming home at 3AM a dozen times too often that left her not trusting me. With 2nd wife, it was not coming home at all which finally got her gourd.
 
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