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Your Dating "Preferences" Are Bigoted

TheGoverness

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So this video here is pushing the idea that having certain preferences for the people that you date is 'bigoted' (Ex: someone doesn't want to date a trans person because they don't find trans people attractive).

I find this logic to be extremely flawed. First of all, people just can't help what you are attracted to. There's no way you can change that. People can't just go and suddenly change their sexual orientation(which is funny, because the reasoning behind this video is actually quite similar to the logic behind "Gay Conversion Therapy").

Going by her own standard, I would be bigoted because I'm not attracted to guys.

But what are your thoughts on the matter? Do you consider dating preferences to be bigoted or nah?
 
Dear Trans folks. If you do not want people trying to change you, stop trying to change others.
 
Going by her own standard, I would be bigoted ...

I knew it, I knew it all along. Maybe you should open your mind, ok, and be a little more accepting.
 
I knew it, I knew it all along. Maybe you should open your mind, ok, and be a little more accepting.

I need someome to beat the gay out of me, so I can stop being a bigot.
 
I need someome to beat the gay out of me, so I can stop being a bigot.

Hmm, we may not have to go so far as assault, you just need a good dose of AC Slater and Zack Morris

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So this video here is pushing the idea that having certain preferences for the people that you date is 'bigoted' (Ex: someone doesn't want to date a trans person because they don't find trans people attractive).

I find this logic to be extremely flawed. First of all, people just can't help what you are attracted to. There's no way you can change that. People can't just go and suddenly change their sexual orientation(which is funny, because the reasoning behind this video is actually quite similar to the logic behind "Gay Conversion Therapy").

Going by her own standard, I would be bigoted because I'm not attracted to guys.

But what are your thoughts on the matter? Do you consider dating preferences to be bigoted or nah?

the person in this video has an adams apple.
 
I only watched a minute or so before I got annoyed enough to stop. The entire premise of the video is stupid. If I don't find someone to be attractive, then I don't find them to be attractive. It says nothing else about me. If I don't think a black woman is attractive (and there have been very few who I've found attractive), then it doesn't make me bigoted. That's stupid. The argument of "you can control who you are attracted to" is absurd, especially coming from a member of a demographic which has long claimed their sexuality is not a choice.

I don't find men attractive. It doesn't make me a bigot, it just means it doesn't do it for me. The same goes for most black women and most Asian women. Just don't do it for me. The idea of having a preference for a dating partner makes me bigoted is absurd.
 
Well, I'm too old to date and wouldn't want to if I wasn't. Happily married for decades myself.

But I must confess. When it came to "dating" I was bigoted, I suppose. Like the Governess pointed out, I am attracted to who I am attracted to and it is what it is. I got no problem with whoever attracts somebody else but to my own self I must be true. I could not fake being attracted to someone just for the sake of political correctness.

I was never attracted to African American women. However, there are a few I do consider to be very pretty. But I can't say I ever got a boner over any of them. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I tried dating a Hispanic girl once but I just wasn't in to it. Neither was she.

The thought of dating a transexual makes me wanna puke.

So, there you have it. I must be a bigot.
 
prejudice is perfectly fine in the dating scene
 


So this video here is pushing the idea that having certain preferences for the people that you date is 'bigoted' (Ex: someone doesn't want to date a trans person because they don't find trans people attractive).

I find this logic to be extremely flawed. First of all, people just can't help what you are attracted to. There's no way you can change that. People can't just go and suddenly change their sexual orientation(which is funny, because the reasoning behind this video is actually quite similar to the logic behind "Gay Conversion Therapy").

Going by her own standard, I would be bigoted because I'm not attracted to guys.

But what are your thoughts on the matter? Do you consider dating preferences to be bigoted or nah?


Saying that you don't find a specific person attractive does not project any prejudice. That's post-judgement based on the whole person as an individual.

Saying that you don't like a huge, diverse group of people (like fat people, or black people, or trans people) does, kinda, use prejudgement. It selects that entire group of diverse individuals and judges them all at once based on that shared affiliation. That's a form of discrimination, of distinguishing that group of people from the rest for distinct treatment. It's not like every fat/black/trans/etc. individual was inspected prior to the determination.

I'm not saying that it's morally reprehensible. In fact, it's completely understandable because we form these evaluations through biology and experience. There's not much direct control we have over the matter. I find myself generally less attracted to overweight women. However, what i think the video is trying to suggest is that we do have some indirect influence over the process of evaluation, and further that the influence exerted can be worthwhile.
 
Is it bigoted to not find fat or ugly attractive?

Sorry, a date is the first step towards marriage and I'll only marry a "woman" who can give me children. So I will not date a trans woman.

Even if I thought I found one attractive, it would probably only be because I didn't know that "she" was unable to give me children. Same goes for an infertile cis gendered woman. Just... nope.

If thats wrong, then label me whatever names you want, they no longer work on me as is.
 


So this video here is pushing the idea that having certain preferences for the people that you date is 'bigoted' (Ex: someone doesn't want to date a trans person because they don't find trans people attractive).

I find this logic to be extremely flawed. First of all, people just can't help what you are attracted to. There's no way you can change that. People can't just go and suddenly change their sexual orientation(which is funny, because the reasoning behind this video is actually quite similar to the logic behind "Gay Conversion Therapy").

Going by her own standard, I would be bigoted because I'm not attracted to guys.

But what are your thoughts on the matter? Do you consider dating preferences to be bigoted or nah?

Haha,
I actually don't think this person is necessarily wrong. We actively and consciously discriminate, and that is not necessarily always a bad thing. I think there are adequate reasons too discriminate.
Why would I actively discriminate against a Trans girl to be my lover, even though they may be sexually attractive?
1. Because strangely, there are some that you literally cannot tell the difference xD but most, you can... and masculine features are unattractive to most men and that is evolutionary... because feminine traits helped us survive our evolutionary past, we are geared to desire those traits.
2. We cannot reproduce. It's the whole point of sexual attraction. If you don't have the parts to reproduce with me, the libido goes waaaay down... I guess you can try to fake it... but our subconscious knows, the instinct to reproduce is strong, it will actively reject a relationship in which it is not fooled.

These are two good reasons to actively discriminate against a trans potential mate. Now, if they don't bother you, all power to you.

Why would I actively discriminate against a person of a certain race to be my lover?
-I wouldn't, being a certain race in and of itself is not a deal breaker. And I do think it is slightly bigoted if it is a deal breaker for people. If you have not yet found a person of a certain race that is attractive to you, there is no problem with that, but you still treat each person from then on as a individual, instead of race being a category of automatic disqualification.
I for one have noticed that statistically I find black woman less attractive than most other people of a different race. Does this mean I find all black woman unattractive or that being black is an automatic disqualification? No, there is some mighty fine black woman out there in which I without hesitation if I were single would be first in line for a date. But statistically, I have the least in common, have opposing values/character traits and have the least automatic attraction to than most demographics.

Then this goes to, Why would I discriminate against an ugly or unattractive person?
1. Because we are sexually driven to be attracted to people with healthy bodies/symmetrical faces/nice skin that have qualities to make healthy and successful children.
But, we do have to fight against our caveman sex brains, because in practice, what actually makes the biggest difference in successful children is having a intelligent spouse that cares for your family, with good character. So if you are serious about making a family, a spouse with high character is mighty sexy.

It all comes down to, We discriminate because we want what's best for us... and what's best for us may not be whats best for everyone else. It also makes us all want to be better, because we are all in sexual competition xD We all want to make ourselves desirable and in turn that drives a lot of the advancements in our society.
 
Is it possible to settle on a universal definition of "transsexual" and "transgender"?
I get the feeling it's becoming commonplace or intentionally sloppy to reference the 2 as though they are the same.
I think of transsexuals as having a more definitive, no going back, kind of existence that could use some protective legislative attention because they've already transitioned.
Transgenders may be confused or may be on an early path to transition but they don't deserve the same accommodations until they have.
 
Saying that you don't like a huge, diverse group of people (like fat people, or black people, or trans people) does, kinda, use prejudgement. It selects that entire group of diverse individuals and judges them all at once based on that shared affiliation. That's a form of discrimination, of distinguishing that group of people from the rest for distinct treatment. It's not like every fat/black/trans/etc. individual was inspected prior to the determination.

I'm not saying that it's morally reprehensible. In fact, it's completely understandable because we form these evaluations through biology and experience. There's not much direct control we have over the matter. I find myself generally less attracted to overweight women. However, what i think the video is trying to suggest is that we do have some indirect influence over the process of evaluation, and further that the influence exerted can be worthwhile.

Oh yeah, I understand that it is discriminatory. But like you said, it's completely understandable since people can't help who/what they find to be attractive.
 


So this video here is pushing the idea that having certain preferences for the people that you date is 'bigoted' (Ex: someone doesn't want to date a trans person because they don't find trans people attractive).

I find this logic to be extremely flawed. First of all, people just can't help what you are attracted to. There's no way you can change that. People can't just go and suddenly change their sexual orientation(which is funny, because the reasoning behind this video is actually quite similar to the logic behind "Gay Conversion Therapy").

Going by her own standard, I would be bigoted because I'm not attracted to guys.

But what are your thoughts on the matter? Do you consider dating preferences to be bigoted or nah?


Bigoted? That's a stretch!!

My dating preferences are certainly discriminatory but not bigoted. I harbor no ill will toward anyone with a penis but I damned sure don't want to date one.
 
Bigoted? That's a stretch!!

My dating preferences are certainly discriminatory but not bigoted. I harbor no ill will toward anyone with a penis but I damned sure don't want to date one.

Same here. ;)
 
Oh yeah, I understand that it is discriminatory. But like you said, it's completely understandable since people can't help who/what they find to be attractive.

I thought it was a kinda cool video, actually. I didn't agree with everything that it said, but many of us really do choose mates, however partially, for their genitals!

I never really thought of it like that. It seems pretty shallow, but i think, to some degree, it's just who we are. We don't have to apologize for who we are. But i like the idea of being open to categorical flexibility when it can be accommodated.
 
For some people we are more on the simply "discriminatory" side of the spectrum. Some are though, as you know, absolutely intolerant of LGBT.

So this video here is pushing the idea that having certain preferences for the people that you date is 'bigoted' (Ex: someone doesn't want to date a trans person because they don't find trans people attractive).
I find this logic to be extremely flawed. First of all, people just can't help what you are attracted to...Going by her own standard, I would be bigoted because I'm not attracted to guys.
But what are your thoughts on the matter? Do you consider dating preferences to be bigoted or nah?

Well, I watched half of it, and I that's not what I got from it. She specifically excluded attractiveness from the equation. She mentioned she would be fine dating someone of any sexual orientation "as long as she was attracted to them".

Yes, if you say you are not attracted to males, her argument is that you are being bigoted (would qualify this as being bigoted towards dating a male, I would not just say you are a bigot!). Have you met all males? No, then how can you claim that you are not attracted to "males"? She points out that she could post pictures of males, who looked like pretty females, and if you didn't know the gender you may, if you are attracted to women, be attracted to one of them. Despite your earlier claim that you are not attracted to guys. This would evidence an example of your "bigotry towards dating males" according to her.

Post a hot enough trans and I have no doubt most men would be attracted to them. If they were sweet and fun to be around, even more so.
However, could they overcome the SOCIAL stigma associated with dating one? That's usually where the line is drawn, even if they don't realize it.

Yes, it is about changing social norms, not really about forcing you to like someone or not.
 
For some people we are more on the simply "discriminatory" side of the spectrum. Some are though, as you know, absolutely intolerant of LGBT.



Well, I watched half of it, and I that's not what I got from it. She specifically excluded attractiveness from the equation. She mentioned she would be fine dating someone of any sexual orientation "as long as she was attracted to them".

Yes, if you say you are not attracted to males, her argument is that you are being bigoted (would qualify this as being bigoted towards dating a male, I would not just say you are a bigot!). Have you met all males? No, then how can you claim that you are not attracted to "males"? She points out that she could post pictures of males, who looked like pretty females, and if you didn't know the gender you may, if you are attracted to women, be attracted to one of them. Despite your earlier claim that you are not attracted to guys. This would evidence an example of your "bigotry towards dating males" according to her.

Post a hot enough trans and I have no doubt most men would be attracted to them. If they were sweet and fun to be around, even more so.
However, could they overcome the SOCIAL stigma associated with dating one? That's usually where the line is drawn, even if they don't realize it.

Yes, it is about changing social norms, not really about forcing you to like someone or not.

The only way to influence social norms is with individual thought.

And it's not about forcing anyone to like anything. It's more like thinking for yourself, rather than defaulting to society's criteria.
 
Well, I've rolled in the hay with a couple of lesbian girls before. (At the same time, no less.)

That was better than a sharp stick in the eye. In fact, I quite enjoyed it.

That don't make me gay does it?
 
Dear Trans folks. If you do not want people trying to change you, stop trying to change others.

That would go against their "heads I win; tails you lose" approach or whatever it is they do with their heads and tails.
 
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