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An Effective COVID Treatment the Media Continues to Besmirch

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An Effective COVID Treatment the Media Continues to Besmirch | RealClearPolitics

"There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections. There are 14 global studies that show neutral or negative results -- and 10 of them were of patients in very late stages of COVID-19, where no antiviral drug can be expected to have much effect. Of the remaining four studies, two come from the same University of Minnesota author. The other two are from the faulty Brazil paper, which should be retracted, and the fake Lancet paper, which was."

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Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. At best, it might help when used in conjunction with other treatments, but that's the extent of it.

Drugs like dexamethasone and remdisivir have shown much more clear, much more effective treatments than hydroxychloroquine. But because quacks and idiots continue to promoted this **** and tout it as a "game changer", the right has to keep doubling down and dumpster diving for something, anything, they think can convince people hydroxychloroquine works, and they were right all along.

If the Trump era has taught us one thing, it's that conservatives will do ANYTHING to avoid eating a little ****. They'd all rather take part in a dangerous group delusion that can cost people their lives.

Hydroxychloroquine flunks Phase III trial in mild-to-moderate Covid-19 - MedCity News
Results of new clinical trial published late last week have found that hydroxychloroquine – the malaria and autoimmune disease drug that President Donald Trump promoted as a potential “game changer” early in the Covid-19 pandemic – not only failed to improve outcomes in those with mild-to-moderate disease, but also produced a higher rate of cardiac and liver side effects.

Results of the randomized, controlled, open-label Phase III trial, which took place at more than two dozen sites in Brazil, were published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday. The study randomized 667 patients to receive hydroxychloroquine or the drug plus the antibiotic azithromycin on top of standard of care or standard of care alone. When patients were measured on the seven-point ordinal scale of improvement in disease, those in the two hydroxychloroquine groups showed no improvement compared with patients who received standard of care alone. Moreover, those receiving hydroxychloroquine more frequently experienced Qt prolongation and elevation of liver enzymes.
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jmotivator said:
Hydroxychloroquine used by Korea for Covid-19 while US is divided | Christina Lin | The Blogs

The unmentioned component of the South Korea success: Hydroxychloroquine
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1. That is a blog and its author has no expertise in medicine.
2. It was posted "APR 27, 2020, 9:52 PM" over three months ago and based on information from late March, when hydroxy-mania was still all around the world, and studies were conflicted due to a lack of clinical trials with control groups to know if the drug was truly effective. Since then multiple clinical trials have shown hydroxy is not effective.

Get over it. Stop jump through flaming hoops to avoid eating a little crow.
 
jmotivator said:
Hydroxychloroquine used by Korea for Covid-19 while US is divided | Christina Lin | The Blogs

The unmentioned component of the South Korea success: Hydroxychloroquine
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IMO if the use of HCQ has ANY positive effects on ANY proportion of those with Covid-19, even if it is (as some Dr.'s indicate) at the inception of the disease? Then there should be no arguments against it's use as prescribed by a doctor.

We have enough studies and medical practitioners who say it has some positive effects.

IMO it is only because Trump touted it that the Left hates it and has to knock it.

IMO if anyone the Left lauds had said the same thing prior to Trump, they would support it's use while knocking Trump as a johnny-come-lately trying to take credit for it if he then agreed it was good.
 
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If you trust 45 with your life then by all means, if you become infected, try it. What do you have to lose?
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet, every solitary double blind clinical study shows it does nothing. But blogs say otherwise, oh, and opinion pieces on political sites.

Double blind tests are the gold standard for if something works or not. Hydroxychoorine keeps on failing those studies.
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Citations needed.
 
i once wondered how people could be conned by people like Bernie Madoff, David Koresh, Charles Ponzi, Frank Abagnale, Jr., etc.


but i sit here and watch, real-time, as actual Americans are conned by a real estate con man regarding a medical treatment.





it's baffling.
 
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countryboy said:
Citations needed.
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How many times do people have to ask the same thing over and over again? However,here are a few of the multitude of studies

url=https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-halts-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine]NIH halts clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine | National Institutes of Health (NIH)[/url]
ACP Journals
https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/hcq-recovery-statement-050620-final-002.pdf
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2012410
 
jmotivator said:
"There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections..."
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Oh okay then

Why didn't the author link to any of these studies? Oddly enough, he only mentioned a few:

• The VA study, which contrary to his claims, was not "debunked" (though it is an observational study, thus limited in utility)

• The original French study of HCQ, which was debunked and retracted (and whose main author has a track record of playing fast and loose with studies)

• A bad link to a study on HCQ's safety which misrepresents its results. That's the Oxford study by Dani Prieto-Alhambra, which did not test its effectiveness, only its safety. The study found that HCQ is probably safe in the short term on its own, but potentially harmful when combined with azithromycin -- which, by the way, is most likely the drug that might actually be effective against COVID-19.

• the Henry Ford study, which was compromised by patients also using steroids, and it not being a double blind / randomized controlled study

• The Mount Sinai study, which concluded that "due to the inherent limitations of our retrospective study design, there was no conclusive determination on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19. More robust studies such as randomized clinical trials are needed."


As to his charts, yeah, he's full of ****. So far, Turkey's death rate per 1 million people is less than the US because... wait for it... Turkey has had 6 times fewer cases and, of course, an authoritarian regime whose numbers might not be trustworthy. And of course, HCQ was also widely used in the US. The same for India, Morocco, and so on -- many of whose death rates are slowly climbing.

And of course, "nrCFR" is also bull****. There was a small bump in the average deaths per day because there were a whopping 11 deaths on June 9th, and 15 deaths on June 16th, and 0-1 deaths otherwise. In other words, it's a statistically meaningless change, that is almost certainly due to typical variations in reporting. And, of course, death rates were actually higher before the disruption in HCQ use. What a surprise.

No one should be surprised that defenses of HCQ amount to little more than cherry-picking.

So, good luck finding those "53 papers." You're gonna need it.
 
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HennyBogan said:
Here, mull this over

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 67 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment
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And?? Many of those studies were shown to be flawed.. . I don't know about all of them. For example, the one in Italy also used the steriod, and it wasn't a double blind test. One thing I noticed in that website. you can track who the owner is, It also included a lot of invalid studies, or studies that were negative about it's efficiency.

Do you have a point?
 
Captain Adverse said:
IMO if the use of HCQ has ANY positive effects on ANY proportion of those with Covid-19, even if it is (as some Dr.'s indicate) at the inception of the disease? Then there should be no arguments against it's use as prescribed by a doctor.

We have enough studies and medical practitioners who say it has some positive effects.

IMO it is only because Trump touted it that the Left hates it and has to knock it.

IMO if anyone the Left lauds had said the same thing prior to Trump, they would support it's use while knocking Trump as a johnny-come-lately trying to take credit for it if he then agreed it was good.
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Your opinion is baseless, as usual. Try basing your opinions on facts for a change, instead of your political prejudice. It has to do with the fact that it has no positive effect and there are those who actually need the drug and we shouldn't risk having a shortage of it for its legitimate use. It has zero to do with Trump touting it. The left, whoever that is supposed to be, do not hate the drug at all. Anyone who trusts real medical experts knows it is not effective for Covid-19. Trump sells things without caring if they truly have value. For him, the sale is everything, the delivery is irrelevant.

NIH halts clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
 
RAMOSS said:
And?? Many of those studies were shown to be flawed.. . I don't know about all of them. For example, the one in Italy also used the steriod, and it wasn't a double blind test. One thing I noticed in that website. you can track who the owner is, It also included a lot of invalid studies, or studies that were negative about it's efficiency.

Do you have a point?
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Have you studied every single one of them? Can you provide double blind placebo studies on any drug v Covid? Point is doctors should use what the **** works not what some idiotic leftist democrat wankers tell them to use!
 
HennyBogan said:
Have you studied every single one of them? Can you provide double blind placebo studies on any drug v Covid? Point is doctors should use what the **** works not what some idiotic leftist democrat wankers tell them to use!
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I just did. Bye.
 
RAMOSS said:
I just did. Bye.
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Exactly you have nothing! Not a single double blind placebo study for any drug v Covid that would pass an acceptable standard. Neither do you know anything about medicine, medical studies or being a real doctor!
 
HennyBogan said:
Exactly you have nothing! Not a single double blind placebo study for any drug v Covid that would pass an acceptable standard. Neither do you know anything about medicine, medical studies or being a real doctor!
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the people who want to defeat Trump place that ahead of the truth concerning possible treatments for COVID
 
RAMOSS said:
How many times do people have to ask the same thing over and over again? However,here are a few of the multitude of studies

url=https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-halts-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine]NIH halts clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine | National Institutes of Health (NIH)[/url]
ACP Journals
https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/hcq-recovery-statement-050620-final-002.pdf
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2012410
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Yes, a few of the CHERRY-PICKED studies. Of the 41 peer reviewed studies, 3/4 are positive. Of the 68 TOTAL studies, 3/4 are positive. Why do you ignore the positive studies? Especially since there are more of them.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 68 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment
 
RAMOSS said:
And?? Many of those studies were shown to be flawed.. . I don't know about all of them. For example, the one in Italy also used the steriod, and it wasn't a double blind test. One thing I noticed in that website. you can track who the owner is, It also included a lot of invalid studies, or studies that were negative about it's efficiency.

Do you have a point?
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Yes, the point is you are unwilling to even consider anything outside of your preconceived notions. The bottom line is, political hacks shouldn't be allowed to interfere with the doctor/patient relationship.
 
devildavid said:
Your opinion is baseless, as usual. Try basing your opinions on facts for a change, instead of your political prejudice. It has to do with the fact that it has no positive effect and there are those who actually need the drug and we shouldn't risk having a shortage of it for its legitimate use. It has zero to do with Trump touting it. The left, whoever that is supposed to be, do not hate the drug at all. Anyone who trusts real medical experts knows it is not effective for Covid-19. Trump sells things without caring if they truly have value. For him, the sale is everything, the delivery is irrelevant.

NIH halts clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
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Irony on steroids.
 
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