The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

Gimmesometruth said:

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Pretty graph, now context, 165,000 deaths in a country of 330,000,000 million

minnie616 said:

Covid 19 is not a scare tactic and it is not political.

It is disease that is highly contagious .

Florida is experiencing a high outbreak currently because as you posted a lot of the people there are ignoring safe practices.
I know that the more people who wear masks inside businesses or outside when cannot wat h distance the less Covid 19 will spread.

Therefore I will travel to a state that does not follow Stay safe practices.

In other words I follow the best health Practices we currently know.

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Yes, you made that choice others haven't so why does what someone else does bother you so much?

Conservative said:

Pretty graph, now context, 165,000 deaths in a country of 330,000,000 million

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So 911 didn't bother you, right? Because this is literally 55 times worse.

ElChupacabra said:

I already pointed out the flaw in the links you posted, and provided a current article of what happened when people over crowded at a NJ beach. The links you provided are just search results to crowded beaches, and as such will contain many pre-pandemic images. I have a better guess as to why we haven't had a spike: people are generally compliant with prevention protocols. We have had an uptick in cases from the shore counties, but nowhere near the spikes seen in other parts of the country. I'll be down there later this month, so I'll be able to provide an anecdotal perspective.





It isn't political for me; that's all you. We're seeing more recoveries likely due to the age of people being infected and the fact we have better ways of treating people with severe symptoms. These are all good signs, but we're not at a point where massive surges still won't cause problems. From the beginning I've said that we will be in much better shape to reopen and go back to some sense of normal when severe symptoms can be managed with over the counter medications; we're not there yet.




Well given where Florida is in terms of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths I wouldn't take that as a good thing.

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I have pointed out the flaws in your argument, current pictures tell the same story, scare tactics don't work

Conservative said:

Your loyalty to liberalism is cult like, no justification pure feelings and a belief that massive central gov't control benefits you personally, it doesn't it is a fraud

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Your loyalty to Trump is cult like, no justification pure feelings and a belief that Trump benefits you personally, it doesn't he is a fraud

Conservative said:

Your loyalty to liberalism is cult like, no justification pure feelings and a belief that massive central gov't control benefits you personally, it doesn't it is a fraud

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You defeated your own argument a while back, you recognized the Orange Asshole is responsible for the response to this pandemic.

"You hate Trump, got it, I am part of the group who realizes that his economic policies work and he is the person to get us out of this pandemic, not Hillary"

Conservative said:

Pretty graph, now context, 165,000 deaths in a country of 330,000,000 million

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Again, avoiding the points, over a thousand US citizens are dying EVERY SINGLE DAY, while the rest of the modern world has contained the pandemic.

Conservative said:

What really is stupid are east coast liberals complaining about what someone else is doing or other states are doing when it is the east coast with most of the deaths and in fact NY, NJ, Penn, MASS ignoring CDC guidelines

You keep showing how easy it is to indoctrinate a liberal and how your standards aren't what other people support. Pictures for NY and NJ continue to be ignored

crowded NY coronavirus beach pictures - Google Search

crowded NJ coronavirus beach pictures - Google Search

So happy your state has it all figured out

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and YOU just like Para. don't seem to realize that people coming in from the EU were not stopped until Mar. 13 2 weeks later then the west coast
and when it hit, there was conflicting info coming out of DC and the CDC
and YES the WHO put out some bad info. but all the WHO can do is put out info they get from what ever country . in this case China , gives them, and we all know if any info is bad for China the top people will either change it to make it look good and if anybody leaks the real truth they may face along time in jail or even death
the CDC put out an advisory on Jan. 8 about it and sent 100 people to airports on Jan. 17, to test people coming in from the China area.
on Jan 21 the CDC told reporter they expect more cases in the us and globally
on Jan. 22 Trump says
Trump comments
January 22

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Trump says he isn’t worried that the outbreak could turn into a global pandemic, and said he is confident that China is being transparent about the number of cases. “We have it totally under control,” Trump told CNBC. “It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

Timeline: How Trump was out of step with the CDC during coronavirus response

so when this hit the east coast it was before they shut it down for people coming in from the EU
I guess Trump never knew that people can get on a plane in the area of China and fly to the EU and then on to the US
and when this did hit the NE there was NO info on how to handle it or what to do and with the lack of leadership out of DC the Governors of those states ( NY, NJ and the others ) had to figure it out, that is why they had so many cases and deaths
Maybe IF they had an example of what to do ( like most of the other states had ) there wouldn't have been so many but they didn't and they had to figure it out themselves.
and seeing the states in the NE made a lot of mistakes and figured out what to do and what not to do the other states now have an example of what to do and what not to do
Hope this helps you out to understand why those states in the NE had so many cases and deaths
Have a nice day

Paradoxical said:

I read those articles before. I said the death rate is almost nil right now...not in the past. Read for comprehension.

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So others using the most current death rates by state is wrong, but you using it is fine, why?

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Gimmesometruth said:

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Nice chart showing that the virus petered out in Italy because it killed all those it was gonna kill.

roguenuke said:

So others using the most current death rates by state is wrong, but you using it is fine, why?

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Stay on topic. I was talking about Sweden and not a one of you wants to. Why? Because it destroys your narrative that masks are necessary and a lockdown was mandatory.

Conservative said:

Yes, you made that choice others haven't so why does what someone else does bother you so much?

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Because it is not safe to be around people who will not a wear a mask to protect others.

Refusing to wear a mask when going into a businesses puts others at risk, it risks the business at fish and leaves it open to a lawsuit.

Not wearing a mask puts our economy at risk.

Do want to see our economy make a rebound ?

Do you want to help save a small business?

Then wear a mask.

Wear a mask and rescue your favorite small business from coronavirus

Paradoxical said:

Nice chart showing that the virus petered out in Italy because it killed all those it was gonna kill.

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You sound like an antivaxxer saying that smallpox just died out on its own.

Phys251 said:

Oh look! It's the "let's Google some images to make a point" game! I can play this game, too! Better yet, I can actually show the images!

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it is like when I was in Fla. in March when they showed a pic. of what was suppose to be beaches there full of people with no masks or anything and the next day they showed the SAME pic saying it was from the west coast.
it was also on FOX so it just wasn't the MSM
so Pic.s don't mean anything except that it happened some where at some time
Have a nice day

Paradoxical said:

Stay on topic. I was talking about Sweden and not a one of you wants to. Why? Because it destroys your narrative that masks are necessary and a lockdown was mandatory.

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You were not. Your OP doesn't even mention Sweden.

Paradoxical said:

Nice chart showing that the virus petered out in Italy because it killed all those it was gonna kill.

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This is another delusional post from you, in this episode you assume the power of omniessence.

Paradoxical said:

30 Trillion in debt? People have lost everything. Schools closed. THIS is the leftists brave new world.Welcome Venezuela!

You imagine that when the virus goes away that everything will be just peachy. It won't be. The jobs won'r come back. People have gone bankrupt. The states are going bankrupt. Massive taxes will have to be levied. Just ask DeBlasio. California is in the dumper as is New York. You don't know what a depression is and you will see it. 100,000 lives out of 330 million? We lose 30,000 in car accidents a year. Even someone as great as Trump cannot save us from what is on the horizon. A disaster looms next year and if Biden wins the stick market drops by at least a half and millions will be thrown out of work.

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Car accidents aren't contagious. If there was a computer virus though that could jump from car to car within a certain distance to each other which made cars start randomly crashing, you better believe we would take precautions to limit driving.

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Conservative said:

Wrong, your face is protected by you wearing a mask regardless of what I do and then you have the choice whether or not to get near someone else without a mask.

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You are woefully ignorant about this matter (as many other matters). My mask protects YOU unless I am wearing an N95 mask. Your mask protects me.

Phys251 said:

As has been explained about a thousand times, yet you stubbornly refuse to listen: Your freedom ends where my face begins. You do not have the right to go out in public without a mask on for the same reason that I do not have the right to drive drunk. Laws exist to protect people from that kind of recklessness, laws that you obviously oppose.

But it's good to see that you have completely run away from the "Google the images to try to paint a narrative" game, because you were failing miserably at that.

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he doesn't seem to understand that you wear a mask so you don't spread it to somebody else not from getting it
have a nice day

Paradoxical said:

Nice chart showing that the virus petered out in Italy because it killed all those it was gonna kill.

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I have to add, are you trying to argue that 100% of that population has been exposed to COVID-19?

Conservative said:

I have pointed out the flaws in your argument,

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No you haven't.

Tbird19482 said:

it is like when I was in Fla. in March when they showed a pic. of what was suppose to be beaches there full of people with no masks or anything and the next day they showed the SAME pic saying it was from the west coast.
it was also on FOX so it just wasn't the MSM
so Pic.s don't mean anything except that it happened some where at some time
Have a nice day

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It used to be a photo was worth a thousand words.

That was before photoshopping and changing the date when photos were really originally taken.

Now days a photo is only worth the paper it is printed on and if it a digital photo it is worth nothing.

Paradoxical said:

Stay on topic. I was talking about Sweden and not a one of you wants to. Why? Because it destroys your narrative that masks are necessary and a lockdown was mandatory.

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We have no problem talking about Sweden, if done honestly and taking into account all relevant information that was already presented to you.

But actually this topic is about the US, not Sweden. Did you not notice your own thread title?

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Paradoxical said:

Stay on topic. I was talking about Sweden and not a one of you wants to. Why? Because it destroys your narrative that masks are necessary and a lockdown was mandatory.

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Your words here tell those who have a little more knowledge of the world that you haven't a frickin' clue. Yeah, Sweden didn't shut down like their neighbouring Scandanavian nations and ya know what happened - sorry, you obviously don't know. Sweden is experiencing a higher death rate than the USA. Oh yeah, the numbers look great - without context.

Warning – Level 3, COVID-19 risk in Sweden is high

Key Points

• CDC recommends travelers avoid all nonessential international travel to Sweden. Travelers at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19 should consider postponing all travel, including essential travel, to Sweden.
  
• COVID-19 risk in Sweden is high.
  
• If you get sick in Sweden and need medical care, resources may be limited

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Then there's this bit of info that may cause you to rethink your ongoing references to Sweden as a 'fine example' of dealing with the virus pandemic - or maybe not, your call.

The Heritage Foundation praised Sweden for “preserving economic freedom.” The Cato Institute said Sweden’s response to Covid-19 “may prove to be superior from a public health perspective.” In early May, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said at a committee hearing that the U.S. “ought to look at the Swedish approach.”

The Swedish approach was to largely allow businesses to remain open. And at first, it seemed to work, with a death count nowhere near what it was in countries such as Italy, Spain, and the U.K. But even as Sweden was being hailed as a model, its cases were steadily rising, and its death rate now exceeds that of the U.S. Sweden also did not seem to stave off the economic damage it was aiming to avoid.

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Now we can see where you were getting your 'information'

Luce said:

You sound like an antivaxxer saying that smallpox just died out on its own.

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If there is a vaccine for Covid, I would take it. That being said, never took a flu shot in my entire life.