The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

Conservative said:

Here's the problem in your world the increase in infections is a death sentence, it isn't!! The more you test the more cases you are going to have!

The more infections you have without symptoms the better your recoveries are going to be and that number cannot be calculated.

The American people have a history of not liking to be told what to do and yet that is what you are promoting that the states do just to stop the spread, with the economic shutdown that the states have done RECENTLY that has impacted GDP and Unemployment providing fodder to the left who now wants to blame Trump for those numbers.

States were slow to react and doubt seriously that any of the top five blue states that now have 50% of the deaths would have supported anything Trump said in the beginning, and that includes you

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So, your method of statistical analysis is just to ignore the massive upticks in death in states that defied the CDC warnings and are now paying the price in lives. You certainly are Donnie Dirtbag's water carrier.

Paradoxical said:

Only to the extent that the governors and mayors in those states didn't take the proper precautions, knowing Mother Nature will always do what she does but praying that she wouldn't this time.

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So now you're pro-lockdown?

Conservative said:

A lot of IF's there but not a lot of substance, the reality again 40% of the infections has limited if any symptoms but were counted because the tests were given and virus identified. How do you capture those people as recovered? My daughter's sense of smell and taste has returned as has the friends who contracted that disease with her, none counted as recovered that we know of

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If there is vast amount of Covid cases in area we need to take steps to slow the spread since people without symptoms are most likely spreading it. The rate of positive cases vs negative cases is the number to watch. The spread is slow if it’s under 10. Under 3 means the area is starting to contained.

I’m happy to read your daughters scenes of taste and smell returned.

A friend of mine had a fall over 10 years ago and lost her sense of taste and smell.

After her fall they hopeful would get her sense of taste and smell but it never came back.

Paradoxical said:

I checked this out a few months back. New York CITY has the highest percentage of Asians and one the oldest populations per capita. You can't use a large state land mass like California to compare. Additionally, New York CITY is where those Chinese people would fly in and out of when they visited China and Wuhan. It is the main destination.

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Not that I doubt you in the least, but please provide something that sort of looks like it might possibly be accidentally confused with verifiable data by someone who didn't have the foggiest idea what verifiable data actually was to support those contentions.

Please specify which percentage of "Asians" that live in New York City are "natural born" Americans, "citizens of China who are living in NYC", and "other Asians".

Please specify which percentage of "Chinese" flying from China to the US have as their final destination NYC and also the percentages that have as their final destination some other city.

small busninesses openign ARE NOT to blame for covid cases going up

digitusmedius said:

You and your silly 2+2 crap. Is that because that's as high as you can count? Even with the decreasing deaths in Sweden it still racked such higher per capita death toll than we have now (570 to 493) although we're on track to be worse that Sweden soon and that's because your ****ing Red states like FL and TX refused to learn the lessons taught by NY and other early hard-hit states. You trade exclusively in lies. You know that. We know that. You just don't like that we do.

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So, Sweden does NOT wear masks or shut down and all of America does wear masks and ruined lives and the economy and we will surpass Sweden and that means we did the right thing? Do you think things through?

digitusmedius said:

So, your method of statistical analysis is just to ignore the massive upticks in death in states that defied the CDC warnings and are now paying the price in lives. You certainly are Donnie Dirtbag's water carrier.

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Massive upticks? Although one death is too many in a country of 330 MILLION People 160,000 is a very small percentage and what is being ignored are the recoveries and the uncounted recoveries. You want to make political points on this issue ignoring that in this country we have due process, 50 states with Governors that manage the states, not the President. All the personal attacks show me is how intellectually challenged the left really is

TU Curmudgeon said:

Simply follow the link that I have already provided to a source that you, yourself, have used to obtain data from.

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I gave you a link yesterday. You know how to find it. You won't post the chart of the death rates in Sweden plummeting because it destroys your narrative.

Paradoxical said:

Democrat strongholds are having the big problems. My list of facts prove this and you want to ignore facts. But, I am not surprised. Why should I be?

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:spin::spin::spin::spin::spin:

Paradoxical said:

How do you know that? Is someone going around with cameras and making notes of the areas where the three Ws are and are not being followed?

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Maybe you did not look at the photos in the article I posted of the East Lansing Restaurant/Bar that traced over 150 cases to it.

Michigan has good tracing and has traced a lot of small outbreaks back to bars, graduation paties, a wedding reception etc.

minnie616 said:

Maybe you did not look at the photos in the article I posted of the East Lansing Restaurant/Bar that traced over 150 cases to it.

Michigan has good tracing and has traced a lot of small outbreaks back to bars, graduation paties, a wedding reception etc.

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tracing and testing is how we get rid of this

Conservative said:

Massive upticks? Although one death is too many in a country of 330 MILLION People 160,000 is a very small percentage and what is being ignored are the recoveries and the uncounted recoveries. You want to make political points on this issue ignoring that in this country we have due process, 50 states with Governors that manage the states, not the President. All the personal attacks show me is how intellectually challenged the left really is

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If one death is too many, then how can you say 160k is acceptable?

digitusmedius said:

If you need to preach, you should be aiming at the governors of TX, AZ, FL, AL, GA, and MS.

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Your problem is that you expect everything to black and white and for mere humans to know how a virus will affect certain areas when even the allegedly brilliant scientists and epidemiologists didn't know at the time and still don't know. Yet you expect Trump to know. If they knew they would invent a vaccine of cure, wouldn't they? We have to realize that science and/or an imagined Christian God does NOT have all the answers you and I want. All we can do is make our best guesses. WHY has it petered out in some places? Who knows? Why did the Spanish flu peter out? There was no cure or vaccine. Why have other viruses of recent origin go away (at least temporarily) when there was no vaccine or cure?

So,you guys have a narrative and won't let go. It's the MASKS!!! I see people all over California tearing off their masks as soon as they leave a store and I see people mingling in small crowds with no masks and I highly doubt the humans in California are any different than Texas or New York. They go home and in their small groups of family and friends wear no masks. Thus, this mask bit is nothing but a placebo.It makes people feel like they are doing something.

Cite all the medical opinions you want. There have been, nor could they be, scientific studies because that would be against medical ethics to expose people. They are using speculation and they are not taking into account that masks are not all the same and certainly not like the doctors wear. IOW, the studies are bogus and worthless but it makes people feel good to wear them because they think they are saving lives.

TU Curmudgeon said:

Simply follow the link that I have already provided to a source that you, yourself, have used to obtain data from.

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Post it or go away since I will not follow some link you gave forty posts back. .

Conservative said:

Massive upticks? Although one death is too many in a country of 330 MILLION People 160,000 is a very small percentage and what is being ignored are the recoveries and the uncounted recoveries. You want to make political points on this issue ignoring that in this country we have due process, 50 states with Governors that manage the states, not the President. All the personal attacks show me is how intellectually challenged the left really is

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Over a 1,000 Covid 19 deaths each week for 2 weekS in the Florida is a big uptick of Covid 19 is high for Florida.

Go ahead and disagree with the language used since each person has their idea what is massive, big , huge etc.

But people are dying from Covid 19 who possibly had at least 5 or 10 more years if they had not caught Covid 19.

Paradoxical said:

Yes, and New York City AND the surrounding areas have the most dense populations of ANY ther city in America and even the world.

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BS - Manila - 119,600/sq.mi., Pateros - 94,400/sq.mi., Mandaluyong - 90,460/sq.mi., Baghdad - 85,140/sq.mi., Mumbai - 83,660/sq.mi., Dhaka - 75,290/sq.mi., and Caloocan - 72,490/sq.mi ALL have population densities higher than New York City - 71,340/sq.mi.

Based on your posts, you'd rank lower than both Mashmont and Conservative for both factual accuracy and depth of analysis.

Luce said:

So now you're pro-lockdown?

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There was a doctor (who the new totalitarian corporations removed their video) who said that the way to handle an epidemic was to find out who was sick and quarantine them. I have absolutely no problem with that. What we are doing now is quarantining HEALTHY people, the exact opposite of what we should do. We ruined the economy and saddled our children with crushing debt and that is selfish.

We KNOW that the elderly are at risk and we KNOW that well over 80% of them die from this whereas young people who test positive do not generally die. (Such as my son and daughter-in-law). The states could have and should have requested the elderly stay home and make arrangements to concentrate on testing them and even politely ask that they minimize going out and about.

Less than 20% of those who die are under 65.

TU Curmudgeon said:

Not that I doubt you in the least, but please provide something that sort of looks like it might possibly be accidentally confused with verifiable data by someone who didn't have the foggiest idea what verifiable data actually was to support those contentions.

Please specify which percentage of "Asians" that live in New York City are "natural born" Americans, "citizens of China who are living in NYC", and "other Asians".

Please specify which percentage of "Chinese" flying from China to the US have as their final destination NYC and also the percentages that have as their final destination some other city.

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I did that before. The information is available to anyone seriously seeking truth.

jaypatriot said:

There is nothing wrong with your logic. Cuomo, Murphy, and Trump all were slow to get off the pot and take proper action to slow down the spread of the virus.
But, how stupid is it for Trump-haters to place the blame for over 160,000 deaths on Trump?
Reminds me of WW II history books describing the beating the Americans took when they invaded North Africa in 1942.
The Americans took a real beating from the Germans until they learned how to kill them. They did not realize it took draconic determination and a willingness to take serious steps to get some traction in that war. So lots of Americans died because they did not know how to kill.
So who do the Trump-haters want to blame for all of the Covid deaths? Certainly not Cuomo or Murphy. Why? Because they are Democrats. And if Trump had acted sooner, those states would not have the highest death rates in the country, right?
You see the stupid logic and the blame game in progress? So, blame everything on Trump and stupid people will see that faulty logic and vote for Senile Joe because he will make everything better. That is the game the Dems are playing.

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How were they slow to " get off the pot"?
do you remember all the conflicting info coming out of DC and the CDC ?
maybe if Trump and the rest of his cabinet could have got their info right in the first place in stead of having the CDC send out advisories that apparently Trump either didn't read or just thought these people who have worked in this field don't know what they are talking about and he does
well it has turned out that they knew a lot more then Trump seeing the mess we are in now
the CDC didn't tell the American people that it was only 1, / 15 people who came in and had it and it would be all over in no time, it was nothing to worry about, when the warm weather hits it will be gone.
That is the point I am making, I have put up info from Jan, Feb.and March where the CDC said one thing and Trump said something totally different
So after trying to figure out what was true and not the Gov. of the NE states took steps to try and confine this and figure out how to deal with it and how to treat it and save lives
maybe it was the WH and people in DC that were slow to get off the pot Have a nice day

Paradoxical said:

I gave you a link yesterday. You know how to find it. You won't post the chart of the death rates in Sweden plummeting because it destroys your narrative.

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Nope, I do not post the Swedish deaths per day chart from Worldometer because I can't figure out how to do it.

If you can figure out how to do it, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell me how.

The slope of the current 7 day average trend line in Sweden is positive - that means that the number of deaths per day is increasing.

Paradoxical said:

Post it or go away since I will not follow some link you gave forty posts back. .

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As you will.

minnie616 said:

Over a 1,000 Covid 19 deaths each week for 2 weekS in the Florida is a big uptick of Covid 19 is high for Florida.

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Don't exaggerate - it's only been 11 days.

Paradoxical said:

I did that before. The information is available to anyone seriously seeking truth.

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Please specify the post in which you

1. specified which percentage of "Asians" that live in New York City are "natural born" Americans, "citizens of China who are living in NYC", and "other Asians";
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2. specified which percentage of "Chinese" flying from China to the US have as their final destination NYC and also the percentages that have as their final destination some other city.

Paradoxical said:

There was a doctor (who the new totalitarian corporations removed their video) who said that the way to handle an epidemic was to find out who was sick and quarantine them. I have absolutely no problem with that.

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And how do you do that with asymptomatic carriers being common?

TU Curmudgeon said:

Nope, I do not post the Swedish deaths per day chart from Worldometer because I can't figure out how to do it.

If you can figure out how to do it, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell me how.

The slope of the current 7 day average trend line in Sweden is positive - that means that the number of deaths per day is increasing.

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How? Paradoxial just told us they're - and this is a direct quote - "virus-free".