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Looks like this virus will be with us forever.

apdst said:
Not forever. Just until Trump's out of office: 6 months, to four years.
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If that's true, wouldn't it make sense to get Mr. Trump out of his current office as soon as possible?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
If it continues at the same rate for 24 months an algebraic ratio would make over 500,000 deaths.
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As an "IF ..., THEN ...." statement that makes perfect sense.

However panicking by assuming that COVID-19 will continue at the same rate really isn't justified.
 
Casper said:
So? What do we do next, get the vaccine and vaccinate everyone or simply ignore it and watch Millions die before their time? Solutions?
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Well, since your first alternative (get the vaccine and vaccinate everyone) would cost a lot of money while your second alternative (simply ignore it and watch Millions die) wouldn't require any actual expenditure at all, <SARC>[the "smart" option is the second one - isn't it</SARC>[?
 
Chomsky said:
Living with an active communicative disease, does not necessarily mean living like we do now. There's plenty of diseases that come & go, or trail along from high to lower levels. They run their course for lots of reasons, mutation, herd immunity, vaccination, treatments, etc. Not to give Trump too much credit, but sometimes they just "disappear". The 'Spanish Flu' was gone in two years, as deadly & viral as it was.
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Another way of looking at "herd immunity" is that the disease has managed to kill of everyone that it is going to kill off. Epidemiologists REALLY prefer the term "herd immunity" because is has a MUCH higher "Warm-Fuzzy Quotient".
 
TurtleDude said:
The Coronavirus Is Never Going Away - The Atlantic

just like the flu


The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 has sickened more than 16.5 million people across six continents. It is raging in countries that never contained the virus. It is resurging in many of the ones that did. If there was ever a time when this coronavirus could be contained, it has probably passed. One outcome is now looking almost certain: This virus is never going away.
The coronavirus is simply too widespread and too transmissible. The most likely scenario, experts say, is that the pandemic ends at some point—because enough people have been either infected or vaccinated—but the virus continues to circulate in lower levels around the globe. Cases will wax and wane over time.
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Since you didn't post the numbers, I will. It's a country of about 100 million. Their "spike" is 30 cases. On a per capita basis, as compared to the U.S. that's about 100 cases nationwide. We had 55,000 cases yesterday.
 
lurchadams said:
So you don't think it's dangerous for trump to be spreading misinformation about a deadly disease? I do, and if that makes me a "trump hater" in your eyes then I'll just have to do my best to live with it. Hey, by the way, here's another little trump **** up:

Facebook removes Trump post for falsely claiming children are ‘almost immune’ to COVID-19 - The Verge

I don't know man - you can argue that there's nothing trump can do, but at least if he's going to do nothing, he should get his facts straight. People's lives actually depend on it.
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And the time it took for "Claque Trump" to start whining about that "horrendous violation of The President's First Amendment Rights" was measured in milliseconds.
 
I predict that new highly contagious viruses will keep appearing. In ten years we should have a half dozen or so.

We've been Hell bent on destroying Mother earth for a long time now. She fights back.
 
Integrityrespec said:
AFter the election we will decide it's just another flu like virus that we have to deal with each year. We'll forget the "numbers" of cases and deaths and treat them the same as the cases nad deaths from the flu viruses.
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Yep, it will be totally inconsequential

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TurtleDude said:
no one really knows is what I took from that. I do know that Trump haters have tried to use this virus to bash Trump because he was pretty much a shoe - in for reelection before this virus from China hit
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He might have been - 2018 isn't good evidence for that. But what matters is he had the simplest job of all time for the virus. Ask the many talented people in the government and elsewhere for advice and follow it. Lots of governors in both parties did that and saw their approval ratings skyrocket. He couldn't clear that lowest of bars, and so showed how dangerous it is to have a reckless, proudly arrogant moron in the office during a national crisis.
 
TurtleDude said:
how many of the so called experts have been consistent from say late February through today?
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None have if they're experts. For them when the facts change and we learn more, their advice changes. It's how it works with a "novel" disease.
 
TurtleDude said:
has his "Specialist" been consistent with his advice? Does his "specialist" have to deal with the economic crisis that a shutdown caused?
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The economic crisis was because of COVID. We're seeing that now. Are the "open" states but with widespread COVID booming or in effective lockdown even without government mandates? I know what it's like in my area. The mall is open, and mostly deserted. Restaurants are open, but inside largely deserted. Theaters can open but haven't, even with the restrictions that allow them to open. Etc.....

This idea that we can have a booming economy while COVID is spreading is just nonsense. If we don't control the virus, the economy won't recover, and it does not matter at all what governments do or don't do.
 
wellwisher said:
The majority of those who die from the virus come from demographics who have other medical conditions. It is not the same boogeyman for everyone, even if the media and Democrats spins it this way. Most people who get the virus either don't know, or they get something closer to common cold or flu like symptoms.

If you look at the demographics, who are worse impacted and who account for the majority of deaths, one gets the impression this was a designer virus, designed to lower long term medical costs. About 10% of the population, uses about 90% of the medical resources. These people are the main target of the virus. Is this a coincidence?

I can see socialist China doing R&D, looking for cost cutting measures to deal with hundreds of millions of their people who use and will use lots of future medical resources. The Democrat also want socialism and they appear to cheer this on. They even double down on socialism wanting to use the corona virus as an excuse to fund other socialist measures.
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Your first and second paragraphs make good points.

Now possibly you could explain why people in 8 out of the other 10 listed areas

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have a lower chance of dying from COVID-19 than Americans do. Please provide full data on the differences in demographics that explain why, for example, a person picked at random in Canada has only 48.63% of the chance of dying from COVID-19 than does a person picked at random in the United States of America does. If the data from Canada is too difficult to obtain please feel free to substitute China, France, Germany, Japan. Russia, (an aggregated) Europe, or (an aggregated) World.

If you don't want to do that, then feel free to provide full data on the differences in demographics that explain why the randomly selected person in Italy or the UK has a higher chance of dying from COVID-19 than would a randomly selected person in the US.

Your third paragraph is, in my opinion, suitable for lining the bottom of birdcages.

NOTE -

Any explanation that translates out to

"The governments and medical professions in every one of the other 185+ countries in the world are all involved in a gigantic conspiracy to provide fake statistics in order to make Mr. Trump look bad so that they can overturn the results of the 2016 elections."
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will be treated with the contempt that it deserves.
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TU Curmudgeon said:
Another way of looking at "herd immunity" is that the disease has managed to kill of everyone that it is going to kill off. Epidemiologists REALLY prefer the term "herd immunity" because is has a MUCH higher "Warm-Fuzzy Quotient".
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False.

What you described is simple immunity from surving the disease and with this virus we do not know how long it would last.


The term Herd immunity is came with vaccinations.

The idea is to protect the herd.

Animals will protect the herd by putting the oldest and weakest on the inside and their strongest on the outside of the herd so the strong protect the weak.

We vaccinate everyone we can and when 90/95 percent or so have vaccinations the herd protect those who cannot have the vaccine due to medical reasons.
 
Passenger on Alaska cruise tests positive for COVID-19, prompting quarantine, canceled sailings

One of the first cruise ships to resume overnight sailing in U.S. waters since the coronavirus shut down the cruise industry this year has reported one case of COVID-19 on board.

Passengers are quarantining on UnCruise Adventures' Wilderness Adventurer "until the State of Alaska deems it safe for them to return home" after one passenger tested positive, according to a travel alert posted on the cruise line's website.

The passenger received a positive test result Tuesday after first testing negative and remains asymptomatic.

The ship, now off the coast of Alaska en route to Juneau, according to CruiseMapper, was able to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's no-sail order because its capacity is less than 250 passengers and crew.

UnCruise Adventures will suspend the rest of its scheduled trips departing from Alaska for the year.
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There seems to be no ways to fix "stupid"..... These people either have Selective Amnesia of they are Plain and Simple Ignorant..... Who the heck would get on a Cruise Ship during this Pandemic???
 
TurtleDude said:
you were howling for a new president since the day you joined this board. So pardon me if I find your calls to be of dubious honesty.
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So data that is available to all is dismissed when it comes from a biased-against-Trump person? Is it that bad that you no longer trust data? Data and some common sense available to all is all I gave. These numbers are history.

You really have a bad case of TDS (Trump Devotion Syndrome) given that nothing can ever make you see anything that may be a negative to your idol, even if nothing but actual data is given.

I would see a doctor if I was you, or officially name yourself an idol lover.

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wellwisher said:
The majority of those who die from the virus come from demographics who have other medical conditions. It is not the same boogeyman for everyone, even if the media and Democrats spins it this way. Most people who get the virus either don't know, or they get something closer to common cold or flu like symptoms.

If you look at the demographics, who are worse impacted and who account for the majority of deaths, one gets the impression this was a designer virus, designed to lower long term medical costs. About 10% of the population, uses about 90% of the medical resources. These people are the main target of the virus. Is this a coincidence?

I can see socialist China doing R&D, looking for cost cutting measures to deal with hundreds of millions of their people who use and will use lots of future medical resources. The Democrat also want socialism and they appear to cheer this on. They even double down on socialism wanting to use the corona virus as an excuse to fund other socialist measures.
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Sorry but I do not give conspiracy theories the time of day since they are not worth a second of my time. But feel free to believe whatever you want, if you have any evidence feel free to send it the appropriate government agency.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Well, since your first alternative (get the vaccine and vaccinate everyone) would cost a lot of money while your second alternative (simply ignore it and watch Millions die) wouldn't require any actual expenditure at all, <SARC>[the "smart" option is the second one - isn't it</SARC>[?
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Nope it is the cheap choice in terms of government money, not in pain and suffering. The moral and right thing to do is vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
 
jimbo said:
If a vaccine is fastracked just because we need to something - anything, it's likely the cure will be useless or actually cause damage.
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Well, I hope you're wrong.
 
lurchadams said:
Well, I hope you're wrong.
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So do I, as that seems to be where we are headed.

Compare this to Roundup. Another fast tracked product. Now the subject of a multi billion dollar lawsuit.
 
Phys251 said:
So you've joined the accelerationist bandwagon.

Fortunately most Americans are not willing to give up on fighting this disease. We've conquered massive challenges before, and we can conquer this one too. :thumbs:
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So, because SOME problems have been solved, that means ALL problems will always be solved?
 
Moot said:
It took about two years for the 1918 influenza to go away. Two thirds of the worlds population was infected, 50 million deaths worldwide with about 675,000 deaths occurring in the United States. Currently in the US, there about 1.5 million infected with Covid-19, with about 155, 000 deaths and it's only been seven months.

We'll get through this...dead or alive.
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:lamo
 
Good4Nothin said:
So, because SOME problems have been solved, that means ALL problems will always be solved?
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If you've given up on America, you are free to leave. :)
 
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