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Trump Virus

Slavister said:
By far the single biggest factor contributing to spread was Trump and his misinformation campaign. I am sure if we had a normal president with decent messaging, a lot less people would have come out to the protests and more of them would have worn masks (many did but even more would have), he would not hold maskless rallies, we would not be talking about opening up schools in this unsafe environment, we would not have been opening up states early on, etc, etc.

When 30%-40% of population got duped by the Cult to believe virus is no big deal like many still do, no other policy will be successful
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there was no misninofrmation
 
ReubenSherr said:
You're seriously arguing that the reason liberals felt safe attending large protests was because of Trump lol?

You are placing way too much emphasis on masks.

And not enough on the CNN HCQ misinformation campaign, which probably cost us hundreds of lives or more.
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Trump pushed states to reopen. Yes, everyone is affected by this, including liberals. Unfortunately. There is no much benefit for a state to stay closed when both their neighbors are opening up (not like virus stops as the border) and when 30%-40% of its population is not going to follow guidelines anyway.

Regarding masks, they've been shown to help. In fact, despite many large protests in NY for example, there was no second wave. Care to explain it? Masks work.

So yes, it also means protests are NOT to blame for the second wave, at least to a large degree.

I can't believe you are still bringing up HCQ - I already destroyed your arguments about it earlier. I gave you references to 4 Randomized Control Trials showing it's ineffective. You tried to give me references to RCTs showing otherwise but turned out they were either not RCTs at all or in fact were misclassified by your no-name site. So, you admitted to having no idea how to even identify an RCT. And now you have the audacity to repeat the nonsense about HCQ?

TypicalRussian said:
there was no misninofrmation
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"children are almost immune"

"Liberate!"

"99% of virus cases are harmless"

many more...
 
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Slavister said:
Trump pushed states to reopen. Yes, everyone is affected by this, including liberals. Unfortunately. There is no much benefit for a state to stay closed when both their neighbors are opening up (not like virus stops as the border) and when 30%-40% of its population is not going to follow guidelines anyway.

Regarding masks, they've been shown to help. In fact, despite many large protests in NY for example, there was no second wave. Care to explain it? Masks work.

So yes, it also means protests are NOT to blame for the second wave, at least to a large degree.

I can't believe you are still bringing up HCQ - I already destroyed your arguments about it earlier. I gave you references to 4 Randomized Control Trials showing it's ineffective. You tried to give me references to RCTs showing otherwise but turned out they were either not RCTs at all or in fact were misclassified by your no-name site. So, you admitted to having no idea how to even identify an RCT. And now you have the audacity to repeat the nonsense about HCQ?



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the video doesnt prove anything, his calender is just like the Washington post and dr fauci
 
TypicalRussian said:
the video doesnt prove anything, his calender is just like the Washington post and dr fauci
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Nope. WaPo and Fauci were taking virus seriously long before March 16.

And despite Fauci saying public does not have to worry about it in January, he at the same time was saying Government DOES need to take it seriously at the same time - but right wingers always skip that part.

I added more quotes from Trump long after March. Some are as recent as July and August.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Total nonsense.

The responses of countries that have utterly destroyed their economies (such as the USA) have no better results than Sweden who refused to commit economic suicide.
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Incorrect. Other countries were also able to not destroy their economies as badly as the US. What's hurt us here is the prolonged timeframe in containing the initial surge. If you look at the current results, which are with prevention protocols, what do think the death toll would be if left unchecked? There is no country on the planet where people have not taken some preventative measure; even if it isn't government mandated.


Swedish Disease Expert Calls WHO's COVID-19 Warning 'A Total Mistake' : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

We have NO idea what we are doing and our so-called professionals are more interested in fabricating death tolls and censoring medical doctors than in providing comprehensive guidance. The response is 100% political with zero basis in science - in fact it is anti-science by banning data that doesn't meet the political goals of the party.
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That's incorrect too. If you're going to make that kind of claim, then you'll need to back up how you came to that conclusion other than your opinion. Your premise assumes the response across the globe was a political one. There has always been some idea on what to do because this isn't the first pandemic; what makes this one unique is that it's a novel coronavirus. The CDC has provided guidance and has modified it based on new findings.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Incorrect. Other countries were also able to not destroy their economies as badly as the US. What's hurt us here is the prolonged timeframe in containing the initial surge. If you look at the current results, which are with prevention protocols, what do think the death toll would be if left unchecked? There is no country on the planet where people have not taken some preventative measure; even if it isn't government mandated.




That's incorrect too. If you're going to make that kind of claim, then you'll need to back up how you came to that conclusion other than your opinion. Your premise assumes the response across the globe was a political one. There has always been some idea on what to do because this isn't the first pandemic; what makes this one unique is that it's a novel coronavirus. The CDC has provided guidance and has modified it based on new findings.
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Nope, I'm focused on the USA.

Fauci is a clown who bounces from position to position depending on whether the cameras are on. Masks? Well, no - or is that yes? Or no, well, maybe.... Hydroxychloroquine? But that's mere pennies a dose and a generic! No one is getting rich from that, better attack it...

Follow the science - problem is that Fauci and the CCP dims don't.
 
Slavister said:
Trump pushed states to reopen. Yes, everyone is affected by this, including liberals. Unfortunately. There is no much benefit for a state to stay closed when both their neighbors are opening up (not like virus stops as the border) and when 30%-40% of its population is not going to follow guidelines anyway.

Regarding masks, they've been shown to help. In fact, despite many large protests in NY for example, there was no second wave. Care to explain it? Masks work.

So yes, it also means protests are NOT to blame for the second wave, at least to a large degree.

I can't believe you are still bringing up HCQ - I already destroyed your arguments about it earlier. I gave you references to 4 Randomized Control Trials showing it's ineffective. You tried to give me references to RCTs showing otherwise but turned out they were either not RCTs at all or in fact were misclassified by your no-name site. So, you admitted to having no idea how to even identify an RCT. And now you have the audacity to repeat the nonsense about HCQ?








"children are almost immune"

"Liberate!"

"99% of virus cases are harmless"

many more...
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Trump cant make the states do anything they dont want to.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Nope, I'm focused on the USA.
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Even if you do, it's still not faring well.

Fauci is a clown who bounces from position to position depending on whether the cameras are on. Masks? Well, no - or is that yes? Or no, well, maybe.... Hydroxychloroquine? But that's mere pennies a dose and a generic! No one is getting rich from that, better attack it...

Follow the science - problem is that Fauci and the CCP dims don't.
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All of the science has changed as more information is learned; it's how science works. Fauci already spoke about the flip flopping on masks; the first statement issued about people not wearing them was because of the shortage of them for medical professionals. The rest of your comments are thus far unsubstantiated.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Even if you do, it's still not faring well.
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The Communists have risen up and waged what they and their masters in Beijing think is a Marxist revolution. democrats rape, pillage, and burn all across the nation.

And the virus, which is far less deadly than the regular flu, pimped by the corrupt little Goebbels of the party press through panic porn.

Even so, the USA remains the strongest economy on earth and the Communists will be crushed at the ballot box in November - then when they become even more violent than democrats are now - they will face the full wrath of an armed people.


All of the science has changed as more information is learned; it's how science works. Fauci already spoke about the flip flopping on masks; the first statement issued about people not wearing them was because of the shortage of them for medical professionals. The rest of your comments are thus far unsubstantiated.
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The Communists don't use science. Fauci is a politician, a government hack for 50 years who hasn't seen a patient in that entire time.

Masks don't work - Fauci
Masks are critical - Fauci
Masks remind people to be aware of the virus - Fauci
I would prescribe Hydroxychloroquin - Fauci
We can't use Hydroxychloroquin - Fauci

This bureaucrat changes his tune more often than normal people shower. Fauci is more interested in throwing out the first pitch than he is in providing scientifically sound information.

To the Communist democrats and the mindless drones who follow, "science" is a religion to be follow dogmatically - NEVER to be questioned - the sciency guys like Bill Nye have a cosmic pipeline to Gaia who imparts truthiness to them.

A process of discovery where hypothesis and postulation is tested, falsified, adjusted, discarded, always questioned, applied to reality, refined is unknown to the democrats. Science is a process, not a thing, a quest of discovery. The left have made science into a dogmatic religion unattached to reality.

I can prove it;

How many genders are there?
 
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Uncensored2008 said:
The Communists have risen up and waged what they and their masters in Beijing think is a Marxist revolution. democrats rape, pillage, and burn all across the nation.
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That's quite the colorful hyperbole. Does this qualify as "fear mongering hysterics"?

And the virus, which is far less deadly than the regular flu, pimped by the corrupt little Goebbels of the party press through panic porn.
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Incorrect.

Even so, the USA remains the strongest economy on earth and the Communists will be crushed at the ballot box in November - then when they become even more violent than democrats are now - they will face the full wrath of an armed people.
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The Communists don't use science. Fauci is a politician, a government hack for 50 years who hasn't seen a patient in that entire time.

Masks don't work - Fauci
Masks are critical - Fauci
Masks remind people to be aware of the virus - Fauci
I would prescribe Hydroxychloroquin - Fauci
We can't use Hydroxychloroquin - Fauci

This bureaucrat changes his tune more often than normal people shower. Fauci is more interested in throwing out the first pitch than he is in providing scientifically sound information.

To the Communist democrats and the mindless drones who follow, "science" is a religion to be follow dogmatically - NEVER to be questioned - the sciency guys like Bill Nye have a cosmic pipeline to Gaia who imparts truthiness to them.

A process of discovery where hypothesis and postulation is tested, falsified, adjusted, discarded, always questioned, applied to reality, refined is unknown to the democrats. Science is a process, not a thing, a quest of discovery. The left have made science into a dogmatic religion unattached to reality.

I can prove it;

How many genders are there?
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Slavister said:
Nope. WaPo and Fauci were taking virus seriously long before March 16.

And despite Fauci saying public does not have to worry about it in January, he at the same time was saying Government DOES need to take it seriously at the same time - but right wingers always skip that part.

I added more quotes from Trump long after March. Some are as recent as July and August.
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nope, fauci said it was okay to go on a cruise

COVID-19 Travel Update: Fauci Says Cruising Is OK If You Are Healthy
 
TypicalRussian said:
nope, fauci said it was okay to go on a cruise
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If you are BOTH, young AND healthy. Yes, he said that after first not wanting to answer the question but getting pushed again. He was wrong that one time. Not nearly as wrong as Trump has been. Clearly Fauci has been much more cautious than Trump back then. Clearly, he wanted government to be much more proactive. Clearly, he did not want reopening to be done this fast either. Clearly, he wants everyone to wear masks.

This false equivalency between Fauci and Trump based on his 1 statement is quite ridiculous honestly.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
The branch office of the Chinese Communist Party - the democrats - have desperately tried to stage a coup since the day Trump defeated Felonia Milhous Von Pantsuit. The single driving thread of the shameful democrat party was and is treason. The Wuhan virus is just more of the same. Whether the virus is the product of Obama funding in a bioweapons lab...
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It's a Trump Virus, my Q friend
 
Slavister said:
If you are BOTH, young AND healthy. Yes, he said that after first not wanting to answer the question but getting pushed again. He was wrong that one time. Not nearly as wrong as Trump has been. Clearly Fauci has been much more cautious than Trump back then. Clearly, he wanted government to be much more proactive. Clearly, he did not want reopening to be done this fast either. Clearly, he wants everyone to wear masks.

This false equivalency between Fauci and Trump based on his 1 statement is quite ridiculous honestly.
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trump repeated everything fauci said
 
trixare4kids said:
Sounds more like TDS bellyaching to me.
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Is that the best you can come up with? That the US is failing dismally is bleeding obvious to all but Trump fans, apparently. And the reason is equally obvious; you're more interested in political bickering and whining about some imagined constitutional infringement because you are told to wear a mask, than actually compromising despite political differences to try to get a handle on this pandemic. Have you any idea how America appears to the rest of the world? 'Chaotic', and 'incompetent' are two words frequently used.
 
ReubenSherr said:
What's disturbing about the phrase "Trump virus" is that it was coined by Pelosi, in response to the phrase "Chinese Virus."

You all do understand the implication of this?

Pelosi was SO offended by the phrase "Chinese virus" that she went on the offensive against Trump, in order to deflect attention from the Chinese.

This is extremely disturbing.

What is the connection between Pelosi and China that made her this defensive?
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Ooh, how exciting, a conspiracy theory! Do please elucidate.
 
ElChupacabra said:
The whole "China virus" nonsense is stupid. To keep whinging about where the virus started in no way deflects from the actions of other nations to help prevent the spread. At this stage of the disease, we're the main hot spot and as a result are on a variety of travel restriction lists. That Trump hasn't realized this is a losing battle is odd, but not surprising.
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Maybe the right can start protesting by the millions and help the left spread this virus to the point where herd immunity is our only hope. Oh and lets get the leaders of the right controlled states to do like the left did send infected patients into our nursing homes and get rid of more of our elderly.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi!

The quoted statement is, of course, nonsense. The pandemic is caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

What is at question are such things as:

Given the comparison between the daily deaths per 100,000 people from the Covid virus in the US and Germany, how can the difference -- one of many multiples -- be explained? What was done [Ed.: or not done,] in Germany that wasn't done in the US? These are legitimate questions, with a direct bearing on how well the US will handle the next pandemic.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
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You are of course correct but it is falling on deaf ears. Trumpists are immune from any criticism of the Dear Leader. To them it is a given that Trump cannot fail to make the correct choice EVER. As un-American as that sounds it is what they feel. Only 83 days left of this madness.

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Maybe the right can start protesting by the millions and help the left spread this virus to the point where herd immunity is our only hope. Oh and lets get the leaders of the right controlled states to do like the left did send infected patients into our nursing homes and get rid of more of our elderly.
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What does that have to do with what the virus is called?
 
ElChupacabra said:
What does that have to do with what the virus is called?
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It is the left that is spreading this virus killing our elderly and most vulnerable. It is the left using this virus to shut down our country to win an election. They deserve their name on attached to the virus. The Pelosi pandemic coup makes more sense.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
It is the left that is spreading this virus killing our elderly and most vulnerable. It is the left using this virus to shut down our country to win an election. They deserve their name on attached to the virus. The Pelosi pandemic coup makes more sense.
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Is it? How have you quantified that claim?
 
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