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Trump advocates for school reopenings: 'This thing is going away'

ElChupacabra said:
That's all fine and well but if you're going to be brave, be smart. Jumping into a reopening without precautions can be self defeating if you end up with a bunch of infected teachers who then have to go into quarantine. The reopening measures will depend on the conditions in any particular school district and the logistical issues they'll have to deal with in adhering to guidelines. Crowded schools are going to be a potential problem, while those with smaller amounts of students could manage that better.
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Doctors and nurses and everyone else involved in the medical field had to figure it out. Walmart and Target workers had to figure it out. Police and fire had to figure it out. Truck drivers and grocery store clerks had to figure it out. Teachers have had all summer to figure it out and they havent been able to do so. Maybe that means they arent really all that qualified to tech the young
 
Fletch said:
Doctors and nurses and everyone else involved in the medical field had to figure it out. Walmart and Target workers had to figure it out. Police and fire had to figure it out. Truck drivers and grocery store clerks had to figure it out. Teachers have had all summer to figure it out and they havent been able to do so. Maybe that means they arent really all that qualified to tech the young
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That's an odd assumption since the teaching aspect has nothing to do with the logistics required to accommodate in person teaching as well as remote learning. All of those you cited required the implementation of plans and resources to allow for social distancing measures; that's not decided nor implemented by teachers.
 
Luckyone said:
Dead heroes are not useful
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Essential workers who refuse to work are not heroes. They are cowards. Imagine if doctors and nurses had taken the same approach as the teachers union.
 
JacksinPA said:
President Trump on Wednesday continued to push for schools to physically reopen in the fall, asserting that the novel coronavirus is “going away.”
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The president is a crackhead.
 
ElChupacabra said:
That's an odd assumption since the teaching aspect has nothing to do with the logistics required to accommodate in person teaching as well as remote learning. All of those you cited required the implementation of plans and resources to allow for social distancing measures; that's not decided nor implemented by teachers.
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Smelly Walmart workers had to figure it out. Teachers have had since March to come up with a plan. My school district is opening so bravo to them.
 
Fletch said:
Essential workers who refuse to work are not heroes. They are cowards. Imagine if doctors and nurses had taken the same approach as the teachers union.
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There are alternatives to teaching besides in the classroom.
 
Fletch said:
Smelly Walmart workers had to figure it out. Teachers have had since March to come up with a plan. My school district is opening so bravo to them.
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Some school districts will open in a variety of ways; it's likely based on what they're able to handle in maintaining a safe environment. You keep mentioning teachers as if they are the ones implementing the plans; they are not. The board of education for each respective state (and locally) sort out the reopening details. Where teachers weigh in is on the final plans as it relates to the safety of themselves and their students. This isn't about "heroes" or "cowards", it's about how you carry a plan out you don't make preventable mistakes and have to start from square one; much like the early reopening in the currently surging states.
 
mike2810 said:
Sound like you are volunteering to be a teacher. :mrgreen:

I agree education is an essential function of American society. The challenge is how to keep all that are involved in teaching safe. That includes students, teachers, and administrators. Do you have any constructive ideas of how to do that?
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Like I said, I have been out there since day 1. Will it be a challenge to open schools? Sure. But it has to happen. Everyone wears masks, social distance as much as possible, have plenty of hand sanitizer and disinfect the schools as often as possible. Maybe limit classes for seniors who are older and can be left at home without supervision and use those empty classrooms for the younger grades. Its not without risk, but nothing is.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Some school districts will open in a variety of ways; it's likely based on what they're able to handle in maintaining a safe environment. You keep mentioning teachers as if they are the ones implementing the plans; they are not. The board of education for each respective state (and locally) sort out the reopening details. Where teachers weigh in is on the final plans as it relates to the safety of themselves and their students. This isn't about "heroes" or "cowards", it's about how you carry a plan out you don't make preventable mistakes and have to start from square one; much like the early reopening in the currently surging states.
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There was no 'early opening' thats a crock. The economy was collapsing, 40,000,000 had lost their jobs. The lockdown was not sustainable. At some point over the next year or so, everyone is going to get this virus. Might as well get it over with.
 
Fletch said:
There was no 'early opening' thats a crock. The economy was collapsing, 40,000,000 had lost their jobs. The lockdown was not sustainable. At some point over the next year or so, everyone is going to get this virus. Might as well get it over with.
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It's not a crock. Some states decided to go ahead with their reopening plans despite not meeting the CDC requirements. As a result, cases surged and some had to roll back their reopening plans in order to prevent it getting out of control. People may eventually get the virus, but you don't want it happening in one fell swoop so it becomes unmanageable; kind of like taking several bites to eat your sandwich versus stuffing it in your mouth.
 
mike2810 said:
There are alternatives to teaching besides in the classroom.
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Schools, if you recall, are the main source of meals for millions of children. Will they now starve? Some people handle video learning well, others do not. Are you ok with putting those who dont at a greater disadvantage? Plus in a lot of households, both parents work while the kids are at school. No school means one of the parents has to stay home. I suspect most will be women, are you comfortable with the idea of women being forced out of the workplace?
 
ElChupacabra said:
It's not a crock. Some states decided to go ahead with their reopening plans despite not meeting the CDC requirements. As a result, cases surged and some had to roll back their reopening plans in order to prevent it getting out of control. People may eventually get the virus, but you don't want it happening in one fell swoop so it becomes unmanageable; kind of like taking several bites to eat your sandwich versus stuffing it in your mouth.
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That will drag this out for years. Right now, the virus is spreading at a nice pace and you libs are still bitching. The reopening has gone incredibly well. People are going back to work and the hospitals are not being overrun. Couldnt ask for more.
 
JacksinPA said:
Trump advocates for school reopenings: 'This thing is going away' | TheHill


President Trump on Wednesday continued to push for schools to physically reopen in the fall, asserting that the novel coronavirus is “going away.”

“My view is the schools should open. This thing is going away,” Trump said on “Fox & Friends” in a phone interview Wednesday morning, referring to the coronavirus. “It will go away like things go away and my view is that schools should be open.”

Cases have been falling over the past two weeks in some states that had experienced heavy outbreaks this summer, such as Florida, Texas and Arizona.

Florida, as one example, recorded more than 60,000 cases of the coronavirus last week. It is one of 24 states that recorded at least 5,000 cases last week. Texas recorded more than 57,000 cases, and Arizona recorded more than 16,000.

Cases also were rising last week in 21 other states.

Trump went on to assert falsely that children are “almost immune” from COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, adding that they have stronger immune systems than older individuals do with respect to the virus.
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This guy is delusional, fixated on getting reelected.

What scientific basis has he for making this 'going away' claim? Did he study virology at Wharton?
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It will nearly disappear Nov 4th 2020, or shortly thereafter.
 
Tlrmln said:
I thought we were supposed to listen to Fauci. Fauci said schools can and should open with proper safety precautions.
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If Trump would just get "instant" testing kits produced we could think about reopening schools. Without that we cannot do it safely. Tests that take a week or more for results are basically worthless for the contact tracing that reopening requires.

As one school district reopens, 260 employees infected or exposed
In Gwinnett County, Georgia, where some parents protested in favor of in-person classes, at least 260 school district employees tested positive for the virus or were in contact with someone infected, a district spokeswoman said.
That announcement came days after teachers returned to classrooms for in-person pre-planning, CNN affiliate WSB reported.
Across the country, some students have already tested positive as the school year begins.
At Greenfield-Central Junior High School in Indiana, a student tested positive on the first day of class -- prompting school officials to isolate the child and start tracking who may have come into close contact with the infected student.
In Mississippi, a high school student tested positive during the first week of classes, the Corinth School District said.
On Monday, Florida reported the deaths of two more minors from Covid-19 complications. At least seven children between the ages of 5 and 17 have died from Covid-19 in Florida, according to the state's health department.
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US coronavirus: K-12 schools and colleges can reopen, but safety should come first, Fauci says - CNN
 
iguanaman said:
If Trump would just get "instant" testing kits produced we could think about reopening schools.
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Why do we need Trump for this? Do you think if it was that easy, it wouldn't have already happened? CA is the 5th largest economy in the world, with tons of great universities, and biotech and pharma companies, and some of the highest state taxes in the country. Why hasn't Gov. Newsom "gotten instant test kits produced?"

It's pretty funny that, when Trump says "schools should open," the governors say it's up to them, not Trump. But when it comes to something that you think is so simple like getting instant tests, somehow only Trump can do it.
 
Tlrmln said:
Why do we need Trump for this? Do you think if it was that easy, it wouldn't have already happened? CA is the 5th largest economy in the world, with tons of great universities, and biotech and pharma companies, and some of the highest state taxes in the country. Why hasn't Gov. Newsom "gotten instant test kits produced?"

It's pretty funny that, when Trump says "schools should open," the governors say it's up to them, not Trump. But when it comes to something that you think is so simple like getting instant tests, somehow only Trump can do it.
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We need a Federal response to speed the production of instant testing materials but Trump wants less testing so he refused to let the Federal Govt. do that. School openings are going to be really short lived without them. You act like States have unlimited budgets and powers like the Federal Govt. has. They do not. Next you will be asking why every State does not have their own airforce and ICBM's to protect themselves from foreign enemies. The virus is a foreign enemy that has invaded the U.S. and is killing 1000 Americans a day. Does that make the situation clearer to you?
 
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iguanaman said:
We need a Federal response to speed the production of instant testing materials
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Why? Saying it twice doesn't make it true. If even one state is interested in buying these supposed instant tests, then there's obviously a financial incentive to produce them. Has anyone even invented one that is reliable enough to make it worth mass producing on a national level? Are there any biotech companies just sitting on their hands saying "hey, we'd like to produce an instant test and we think we could do it if we tried, but Trump hasn't asked us to do it so we'll just go play golf?"

Do you actually know for a fact that the administration hasn't offered funding to companies that are willing and able to do something like this?

If Trump is the only obstacle, why aren't other countries producing them?
 
Tlrmln said:
Why? Saying it twice doesn't make it true. If even one state is interested in buying these supposed instant tests, then there's obviously a financial incentive to produce them. Has anyone even invented one that is reliable enough to make it worth mass producing on a national level? Are there any biotech companies just sitting on their hands saying "hey, we'd like to produce an instant test and we think we could do it if we tried, but Trump hasn't asked us to do it so we'll just go play golf?"

Do you actually know for a fact that the administration hasn't offered funding to companies that are willing and able to do something like this?

If Trump is the only obstacle, why aren't other countries producing them?
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Your ancap crap doesn't seem to be working.
 
Trumps was right, partly, something is going away, Him. That day cannot get here soon enough.
 
Fletch said:
That will drag this out for years. Right now, the virus is spreading at a nice pace and you libs are still bitching. The reopening has gone incredibly well. People are going back to work and the hospitals are not being overrun. Couldnt ask for more.
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How we're handling it? Maybe not years, but certainly longer than it should have. Other countries have been able to figure out better ways and as a result, are doing better both in terms of medical and economic outcomes.
 
CaughtInThe said:
My 3 relatives need the money (although I'm not sure how that works for them, all 3 in different school districts in 2 states).

And if their Facebook posts are any indication they still think this thing is a hoax. But I can't get a good read on one of the three.

The other two definitely think they're going back to school and nothing will happen. One (male) had a heart attack just last year.
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Ultimately it's up to every individual to assess their own personal risk, but what comes into play with that decision is that it's not just the individual that affected; that's where the "hoax" aspect plays a big role in how risk is assessed. As I've stated in other threads, all school districts aren't equal so if you're in a low student population school then it might be easier to have onsite classes than those which are over crowded.
 
Fletch said:
That will drag this out for years. Right now, the virus is spreading at a nice pace and you libs are still bitching. The reopening has gone incredibly well. People are going back to work and the hospitals are not being overrun. Couldnt ask for more.
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What is a " nice pace"
I don't know about you but with rates in some states going up and up I don't call it a " nice pace "
A " nice pace " would be zero cases not thousands
Have a nice day
 
Tlrmln said:
Why? Saying it twice doesn't make it true. If even one state is interested in buying these supposed instant tests, then there's obviously a financial incentive to produce them. Has anyone even invented one that is reliable enough to make it worth mass producing on a national level? Are there any biotech companies just sitting on their hands saying "hey, we'd like to produce an instant test and we think we could do it if we tried, but Trump hasn't asked us to do it so we'll just go play golf?"

Do you actually know for a fact that the administration hasn't offered funding to companies that are willing and able to do something like this?

If Trump is the only obstacle, why aren't other countries producing them?
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Among the hurdles facing widespread, repeat screening is the scarcity of such tests. Quidel and BD together manufacture about 3 million antigen tests per week. But a national screening strategy would likely require 25 million tests or more, says Jonathan Quick, who heads pandemic response for the Rockefeller Foundation.

Quick says companies are reluctant to ramp up production dramatically if they are unsure of the market for the products. One solution, he adds, could be a promise by the federal government to buy tens of millions of tests, much as it has done with vaccine doses. In one such effort, the governors of six U.S. states announced this week they are banding together to ask Quidel and BD for a total of 3 million tests.

Or the Trump administration could take over test production using the Defense Production Act, which allows the federal government to direct private companies to meet national defense needs. “I don’t think it’s either/or,” Quick says about purchase agreements or the Defense Production Act. “It’s and/both. We don’t have time to wait.”
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Radical shift in COVID-19 testing needed to reopen schools and businesses, researchers say | Science | AAAS

Trump Must Invoke Further Use of the Defense Production Act to increase COVID-19 testing supplies - Opinion - Times Record - Fort Smith, AR
 
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