Kentucky sees drop in cases, indication that the mask mandate is working

Paradoxical said:

Trixaire, I am seriously getting tired of all of them. This poster is a prime example of how easy it is to fool and indoctrinate the masses with a chart implying a cause and an effect. When you look at it what it is saying, you find that it shows false analogies.

The first one is in the premise that testing is the key to anything
The second is that testing continued at the same levels in mid July as it did before that time.
The third is that even if testing DID occur at the same levels, that infection levels would keep going up and up
The fourth is that there is an infinite number of people in Kentucky to test
The fifth is that people who are not currently sick but have traces of it because they had it and beat it will not STILL test positive for COVID
The sixth is that testing positive means anything as many people can have COVID and experience mild or no symptoms

The more disturbing thing is that we have enough idiots in this world to believe a chart like this.

Testing positive doesn't mean CRAP folks. Except that if you DO test positive and are well, you had it and beat and are immune to that strain, just like you would be during flu season.

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Nonsense, as usual. There is NO evidence of immunity post-recovery, and plenty of instances of reinfection.

WHO: ‘No Evidence’ Coronavirus Survivors Have Immunity

COVID-19 and Postinfection Immunity: Limited Evidence, Many Remaining Questions | Infectious Diseases | JAMA | JAMA Network

'No evidence' people with coronavirus are immunised: WHO

Coronavirus: 'No evidence' recovered patients are immune to re-infection, warns WHO | The Independent

'No evidence' that recovered COVID-19 patients cannot be reinfected - WHO - Reuters

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...h-COVID-19-three-months-after-recovering.aspx

Phys251 said:

Kentucky sees drop in cases, indication that ‘mask mandate is working’ | Eyewitness News (WEHT/WTVW)

Masks save lives without impairing the economy. It's time for a national mask mandate. :thumbs:

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Correlation isn't causation. Why are other areas with long-standing mask mandates in place, NOT seeing a drop in cases?

Paradoxical said:

Thanks for demonstrating that you cannot or will not,post anything that the readers here would find beneficial and informative.

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Paradoxical believes that he knows all that we need to know about the coronavirus and that we must accept his uneducated opinion without verifying it.

countryboy said:

Correlation isn't causation

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Appeal to ignorance. Masks have been proven over and over again to save lives, but a lot of people on your side of the aisle refuse to accept this.

countryboy said:

Correlation isn't causation. Why are other areas with long-standing mask mandates in place, NOT seeing a drop in cases?

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Because of all the idiots who refuse to wear them because "freedom!" They're the morons putting everyone else at risk-and they are mostly libertarians and conservatives who are so feeble-minded that they consider a temporary and mild inconvenience, wearing a mask, to be a deadly assault on their 'rights' or some such nonsense.

Phys251 said:

Paradoxical believes that he knows all that we need to know about the coronavirus and that we must accept his uneducated opinion without verifying it.

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Except, unlike YOU, I present cogent, lucid arguments using facts and figures which I have done in the case of Sweden, and you wither don't understand them or ignore them.

So, tell me. Why is Sweden at nearly zero deaths today and other countries who took drastic measures with a much higher death rate per million STILL increasing? Does the virus know what country it is in?

PS. I told all of you the lockdown and masks were not needed and are not needed.Sweden has proven this. So has South Dakota.

vesper said:

I have the same problem. When it is 90 degrees outside and you walk into an airconditioned building the glasses immediately fog up. When I have to speak a lot the glasses fog up. So I end up having to fiddle with the mask and my glasses. Not only do you have to deal with the mask, you have to deal with being blinded till the glasses defog.

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A big temp change will cause fogging of glasses without a mask anyway won't it?

If you don't like wearing a mask try wearing a respirator like I have to when airbrush painting. A mask is a breeze compared to them.

trixare4kids said:

Why? KY. did fine on its own. Don't you believe in states' rights?

Of course, you don't.

Typical leftists cry...

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HA!

Say's a Trump loyalist who looks away at Trump demanding that governors open their states with reckless abandonment, "deploys" federal cops to intervene in state matters, recently told Americans to start wearing masks after influencing them for months on not wearing them, and is now wanting the government to get a cut for brokering deals between private businesses via personal tantrums. Oh, but, those "typical leftists!"

From Trump, to your heart:

“I think it’s something we should all try to do when we are not able to be socially distanced from others,” the email reads.


Trump says in the email that he doesn’t “love wearing them either,” but adds “they can possibly help us get back to our American way of life that so many of us rightfully cherished.”

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If only Trump figured out what Democrats and the rest of us figured out long ago. If only he actually cared, on America's behalf, about what a health official had to say. If only he actually cared about his own constituents who played his complacency game right along with him. Perhaps the country would not be such a COVID embarrassment today in the world. Even the idiot in England figured it out a ways back (though it took him actually getting COVID to wake the hell up). Defaulting to partisan garbage, such as your post here, is why the idiot in the White House has become desperate to start looking like a leader these days.

It's you conservatives who are supposed to be championing states' rights, not so-called "leftists." It's become routine for conservatives to accuse "leftists" of doing what they have long been criticized for and what defines them, as if so-called conservatives still stand on the other side. If anything, Trump has helped you all prove that you are no different from those "leftists" and that American conservatism has happily surrendered to the radical right-wing. I mean, aside from interfering in State's rights, personal lives, and private business, Socialism itself is alive and quite well among the right. Just take a look at 2020 alone. Who needs to worry about a "leftist" when so-called conservatives are leading that charge? None of you should think that you are going to get to recover your delusions of yourselves out of the last four years. It's you all who have betrayed...not the "leftists."

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Except, unlike YOU, I present cogent, lucid arguments using facts and figures which I have done in the case of Sweden, and you wither don't understand them or ignore them.

So, tell me. Why is Sweden at nearly zero deaths today and other countries who took drastic measures with a much higher death rate per million STILL increasing? Does the virus know what country it is in?

PS. I told all of you the lockdown and masks were not needed and are not needed.Sweden has proven this. So has South Dakota.

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Could it be because the Swedes understand the concept of not only personal responsibility, but responsibility to others, and adhere to common sense advice?

COVID-19 – FAQ - The Public Health Agency of Sweden

American conservatives prefer to bitch and whine about 'rights' being violated and enthusiastically go around unloading their disease onto others because they are too ****ing stupid and pig-headed to understand what common sense means.

Paradoxical said:

Except, unlike YOU, I present cogent, lucid arguments using facts and figures which I have done in the case of Sweden, and you wither don't understand them or ignore them.

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So, tell me. Why is Sweden at nearly zero deaths today and other countries who took drastic measures with a much higher death rate per million STILL increasing? Does the virus know what country it is in?

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The OP has nothing to do with Sweden. But since you brought it up:



You lose. Again.

PS. I told all of you the lockdown and masks were not needed and are not needed.

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I support your free speech rights. Even the most ignorant of speech deserves it.

Sweden has proven this.

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Sweden has done no such thing. The question is whether you are peddling your lies in spite of how many Swedes have died...or because of how many Swedes have died. :shrug:

So has South Dakota.

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South Dakota has 11 people per square mile. Kentucky has 112 people per square mile. Yet the two states have similar death rates. So KY has done better than SD has.

Paradoxical said:

Translated: "No we don't have a stick of what would be called "evidence" by scientists or anyone else really. We post charts and imply things so that stupid people will be indoctrinated and we don't like it when we are called out on it and we whine".

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Stop dodging and answer the question.

snakestretcher said:

Because of all the idiots who refuse to wear them because "freedom!" They're the morons putting everyone else at risk-and they are mostly libertarians and conservatives who are so feeble-minded that they consider a temporary and mild inconvenience, wearing a mask, to be a deadly assault on their 'rights' or some such nonsense.

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You have evidence of this? I specifically said, areas with mask mandates.

Phys251 said:

I support your free speech rights. Even the most ignorant of speech deserves it.

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Ugh, the tragic irony of American freedom. I really, really have a problem with people who are maliciously dumber than me. I would rant here, but sometimes I even exhaust myself.

MSgt said:

Ugh, the tragic irony of American freedom. I really, really have a problem with people who are maliciously dumber than me. I would rant here, but sometimes I even exhaust myself.

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"Maliciously dumber." So true.

snakestretcher said:

Could it be because the Swedes understand the concept of not only personal responsibility, but responsibility to others, and adhere to common sense advice?

COVID-19 – FAQ - The Public Health Agency of Sweden

American conservatives prefer to bitch and whine about 'rights' being violated and enthusiastically go around unloading their disease onto others because they are too ****ing stupid and pig-headed to understand what common sense means.

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Hey...thanks for that. I see they just came out with these recommendations last week, meaning that before this time, there weren't even recommendations; never mind demands. But, just for kicks, since I have a little time, lets look at these DRACONIAN measures Sweden has now implemented even though the infection and death rate is nearly nil.

It is everyone's responsibility to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Keep your distance from others both indoors and outdoors.

If you feel unwell with cold symptoms, cough or fever, you should try to avoid contact with other people.

Our hands are a good environment for infectious agents. The infection is transmitted to others when we shake hands. So, wash your hands often with soap and hot water, for at least 20 seconds.

When you cough or sneeze, you spread tiny droplets containing infectious agents. If you cough or sneeze into your elbow or a paper tissue, you can prevent the infection from spreading to people around you or from contaminating your hands. Always put used tissues into the bin and wash your hands afterwards.

OMG, snakestretcher!!! How are the Swedes gonna live with these NEW totalitarian type tactics? ARGGGGGHHHH


I bet these new rules will really make the death rate plummet!

On WAIT! It already has BEFORE these "draconian" recommendations

Paradoxical said:

May I see any evidence whatsoever that you have or anyone else may be in the possession of, that masks resulted in the decline?

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Anecdotal evidence is acceptable when it fits the narrative.



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X Factor said:

Well I’m glad to see the economy being mentioned as a concern, finally.

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You don't think that part of the reason for a mask mandate would be the economy? Really?

I heard it said repeatedly that more adherence to the "three w's" would lead to opening up sooner.

Phys251 said:

:lamo



The OP has nothing to do with Sweden. But since you brought it up:



You lose. Again.



I support your free speech rights. Even the most ignorant of speech deserves it.



Sweden has done no such thing. The question is whether you are peddling your lies in spite of how many Swedes have died...or because of how many Swedes have died. :shrug:



South Dakota has 11 people per square mile. Kentucky has 112 people per square mile. Yet the two states have similar death rates. So KY has done better than SD has.

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I have stated in other posts the death rate of Sweden. That is the trade off for now being COVID free without a lock down or mask wearing.

In those countries where mask wearing is mandated, their death rate per million is higher. UK, Belgium, etc. Thus, wearing masks has NO effect on the death rate per million.

Paradoxical said:

I have stated in other posts the death rate of Sweden. That is the trade off for now being COVID free without a lock down or mask wearing.

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There it is. There's the accelerationism.

To Paradoxical, human lives are a "trade-off." He doesn't want countries to go the route of Norway, Sweden, Germany, or especially New Zealand. He wants people to die. He believes that this is the best way.

The only question is why he wants this kind of human sacrifice.

Paradoxical said:

I have stated in other posts the death rate of Sweden. That is the trade off for now being COVID free without a lock down or mask wearing.

In those countries where mask wearing is mandated, their death rate per million is higher. UK, Belgium, etc. Thus, wearing masks has NO effect on the death rate per million.

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There is no end to your moronic and ignorant drivel eh? When did the UK mandate masks?

Paradoxical said:

May I see any evidence whatsoever that you have or anyone else may be in the possession of, that masks resulted in the decline?

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Oh, this is just beyond pathetic even for the maliciously obtuse...

From the Mayo Clinic:

Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus.

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From the Centers for Disease Control (CDC):

In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.

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From the University of California, San Francisco:

But health experts say the evidence is clear that masks can help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and that the more people wearing masks, the better.

We talked to UC San Francisco epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

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From Hartford Healthcare:

A study released this week in Health Affairs, a peer-reviewed healthcare journal, found that masks prevented as many as 230,000 to 450,000 COVID-19 cases by May 22 in the 15 states, including Connecticut, and the District of Columbia that adopted mask mandates early in the pandemic. The fast-track version of the study, “Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The United States,” appeared in the journal June 16 ahead of the final, accepted version.

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And on and on and on and on and on. Just cut the crap. You conservatives continue to prove how little self-respect you have. The so-called conservative game:

1) You all know truth, yet you decide to cater to obtuse partisanship anyway.
2) You all then pretend that you care about the show of evidence, then you deny the clear evidence shown.
3) With ego replacing common sense and with partisanship now defining a shallow idea of politics, you all proceed to declare all that offends as merely "fake news."


You people actually think self-respect is preserved through this behavior? This is the theme of Trump's "alternate facts" gift to you. If you don't like the truth, don't want there to be evidence, simply choose to be obtuse and play an insignificant shameful game. Nobody is fooled by this.

At no time does common sense even factor in. Even without the overwhelming evidence of truth and your assumed ability to Google simple things, you do have the ability to see the condition of the South. Where once these states were locked down with their political zeal to refuse masks, they were reopened with reckless abandonment with their political zeal to refuse masks. The COVID cases exploded as idiot conservatives spread and spread while parading Trump's complacency around on their shoulders. Now, even your White House idiot has been forced to surrender his stupidity to the health official guidance that has long been present. The idiot has chosen to set his pathetic ego aside to at least pretend that he can be a decent leader for a change.

From witnessing yet another Trump flip, after being led onto yet another nonsensical radical branch, you people choose, yet again, to merely double down in denial and your false politics. Go ahead, so-called conservative... Tell us all about how what I just presented to you is "fake news," generated by the liberal deep state, and pretend that there is no evidence, while discarding common sense. I'm sure from here you will pop up on another thread later declaring that you have seen no evidence while hacking up on your fellow American.

MSgt said:

Oh, this is just beyond pathetic even for the maliciously obtuse...

From the Mayo Clinic:



From the Centers for Disease Control (CDC):



From the University of California, San Francisco:



From Hartford Healthcare:



And on and on and on and on and on. Just cut the crap. You conservatives continue to prove how little self-respect you have. The so-called conservative game:

1) You all know truth, yet you decide to cater to obtuse partisanship anyway.
2) You all then pretend that you care about the show of evidence, then you deny the clear evidence shown.
3) With ego replacing common sense and with partisanship now defining a shallow idea of politics, you all proceed to declare all that offends as merely "fake news."


You people actually think self-respect is preserved through this behavior? This is the theme of Trump's "alternate facts" gift to you. If you don't like the truth, don't want their to be evidence, simply choose to be obtuse and play an insignificant shameful game. Nobody is fooled by this.

At no time does common sense even factor in. Even without the overwhelming evidence of truth and your assumed ability to Google simple things, you do have the ability to see the condition of the South. Where once these states were locked down with their political zeal to refuse masks, they were reopened with reckless abandonment with their political zeal to refuse masks. The COVID cases exploded as idiot conservatives spread and spread while parading Trump's complacency around on their shoulders. Now, even your White House idiot has been forced to surrender his stupidity to the health official guidance that has long been present. The idiot has chosen to set his pathetic ego aside to at least pretend that he can be a decent leader for a change.

From witnessing yet another Trump flip, after being led onto yet another nonsensical radical branch, you people choose, yet again, too merely double down in denial and your false politics. Go ahead, so-called conservative... Tell us all about how what I just presented to you is "fake news," generated by the liberal deep state, and pretend that there is no evidence, while discarding common sense. I'm sure from here you will pop up on another thread later declaring that you have seen no evidence while hacking up on your fellow American.

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Thanks for that but I think you misunderstood/ I was asking for evidence....not opinions and speculations.

Paradoxical said:

I have stated in other posts the death rate of Sweden. That is the trade off for now being COVID free without a lock down or mask wearing.

In those countries where mask wearing is mandated, their death rate per million is higher. UK, Belgium, etc. Thus, wearing masks has NO effect on the death rate per million.

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Sweden is not COVID free. This is a radical right-wing lie, meant to offer support for what they decided was a political issue:

Sweden has had 81,540 cases, with 66 new cases and 5 new deaths.

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In countries where death rates are higher, we also find massive cities and condensed populations.

Many European countries and EU agencies have acknowledged the lack of robust evidence but suggested mask-wearing as a precaution, intended to be used alongside other scientifically proven measures.

So it's not perhaps so surprising that Sweden is an outlier, as it's a repeat of a pattern earlier in the pandemic. While many countries closed down shops, restaurants, and schools as a precaution, Sweden introduced far less strict measures, which sparked criticism as the country's death rate leapt ahead that of its Nordic neighbours.

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In mid-July, Sweden was burying their dead with the idea that a simple damn mask would not have saved anybody, while de facto promoting herd immunity as a remedy. In other words, kill off as many as you need to so that the rest can just move on.

However, on a per-capita basis, Sweden far outpaces its Scandinavian neighbors in COVID deaths, with 567 deaths per million people compared with Denmark's 106 deaths per million, Finland's 59 deaths per million, and Norway's 47 deaths per million. The Swedish figure is closer to Italy's 581 deaths per million.

The Swedish Public Health Agency has not openly stated that herd immunity was its goal, though many suspect this was the intention.

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But with Sweden's issue looking better for now, you people want to erase all factors except for the mask. Again, this is a radical right-wing deception, meant to promote their stupid decision to make this a political matter from the beginning. And there you are, promoting the radical right-wing agenda of denial despite the evidence.

Paradoxical said:

Thanks for that but I think you misunderstood/ I was asking for evidence....not opinions and speculations.

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And there we go people, the conservative mind at work.

- Ignoring the studies presented
- Ignoring the presented facts of the issue
- Ignoring the common sense involved.

Pretty much all the evidence dismissed while asking for evidence.

By the way, Paradoxical, it's August. COVID is history, huh? This "phony virus is forgotten," huh? See what happens when you allow right-wing nonsense manipulate you? You've been in denial from the beginning. No wonder something as simple as a mask receives your doubled-down scorn.

MSgt;1072397009]Sweden is not COVID free. This is a radical right-wing lie, meant to offer support for what they decided was a political issue:

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You know what's REALLY funny!? About two or three weeks ago, for whatever reason(s) the left was chortling that Sweden's death rate spiked up and were saying, "I Told you so"

Look at them NOW versus other countries in full lock down straight jacket mode

In countries where death rates are higher, we also find massive cities and condensed populations.

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I'm glad you brought that as I was just ready to do a OP on it. New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut are ALL far left liberal run states with NY run by dumber of the dumb and dumber Cuomo duo. They account for 61,189 of the death total and you will see their death rates per million (which is really all that matters) at 1,686, 1,793, 1,256 and i,245. When you compare that with other states, you see that they are 34, 60, 220, 234, etc. We are really wearing masks because of 4 crappy liberal run states who can't control their own house. Those states have a death rate of over THREE TIMES the rest of us and we are paying for them big time. We should have just shut THEM down and quarantined the lousy bunch of them If we were like other countries with neighbors like that, we would do it just like Norway is.

In mid-July, Sweden was burying their dead with the idea that a simple damn mask would not have saved anybody, while de facto promoting herd immunity as a remedy. In other words, kill off as many as you need to so that the rest can just move on.

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It WORKED. Their death rate has plummeted

But with Sweden's issue looking better for now, you people want to erase all factors except for the mask. Again, this is a radical right-wing deception, meant to promote their stupid decision to make this a political matter from the beginning. And there you are, promoting the radical right-wing agenda of denial despite the evidence.

Because I and all the other REAL conservatives here who can think logically and rationally have been right on this from day one.