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Two cruise ships hit by coronavirus weeks after industry restarts

longview said:
The only thing I can say, is that I think the air that comes out of the nuzzle over your seat is NOT recirculated, but drawn directly from the compressor
section of the engine. it is still a small confined space.
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And it still blows air around in the cabin. But you are also only on a plane for a matter of hours, while you are in a recirculating atmosphere in a cabin on a cruise liner for days.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yeah, who knows? All my life my agoraphobia has kept me off cruise ships, but I have many friends who've been going for years. Doesn't do a thing for me.

Maybe all those people on these boats were aware of the Infection Fatality Rate for Covid being .65 or lower? Maybe they all realized that even if they get infected, their chances of survival are extremely high? Maybe they all brought their own stash of HCQ, Zinc and a Z-pak? Maybe they had been Boy Scouts and were prepared?
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You probably haven’t missed much.

Cruising is travel for people who don’t travel. It’s floating cut rate Disney/Vegas. You really don’t get to see much of anything in any port of call. And many of the cruise ship companies have private islands with nothing on them but beach and souveneer stands.

It is cheap, although they present you with plenty of opportunities to run up a big tab.

I don’t know what will happen with recovery. I suspect that the industry will recover in due course.

Unless we decide to go see fjords, it’s unlikely that we will ever cruise again. Not because of Covid; but because it’s not our idea of travel.

If I want to see fat middle class Americans, I can go to Wal Mart. It’s exactly the same crowd.

That said, it is relaxing, and the folks around you seem to enjoy themselves.
 
Luce said:
That was the data argument. Two ships out of two heavily infected.

Should I make an excel sheet? I mean, I can do that for you.
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What do you mean two ships out of two? I know of one ship that has a significant outbreak. Are you aware there are several other cruise companies that have been sailing for about a month?

I don't need an excel sheet. I need you to understand better the stories that you google.
 
TomFitz said:
You probably haven’t missed much.

Cruising is travel for people who don’t travel. It’s floating cut rate Disney/Vegas. You really don’t get to see much of anything in any port of call. And many of the cruise ship companies have private islands with nothing on them but beach and souveneer stands.

It is cheap, although they present you with plenty of opportunities to run up a big tab.

I don’t know what will happen with recovery. I suspect that the industry will recover in due course.

Unless we decide to go see fjords, it’s unlikely that we will ever cruise again. Not because of Covid; but because it’s not our idea of travel.

If I want to see fat middle class Americans, I can go to Wal Mart. It’s exactly the same crowd.

That said, it is relaxing, and the folks around you seem to enjoy themselves.
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I've found that the common denominator of those who don't like cruising are those who went on cheap cruises to not so good ports of call. You get what you pay for. Carnival cruise lines is like a floating Walmart.
 
Taking a ****ing cruise right now is dumber than opening the schools. I'm starting to think that we're all ****ing doomed. I am so close to maxing my credit out to buy one bitchin' classic muscle car or land yacht and just motoring my way into eternity while listening to Dylan on 8 track and randomly yelling 10-4 into the CB.
 
Mongidig said:
I've found that the common denominator of those who don't like cruising are those who went on cheap cruises to not so good ports of call. You get what you pay for. Carnival cruise lines is like a floating Walmart.
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I didn’t pay for it. I know a few people who cruise. They say similar things, but there really doesn’t seem to be much of a difference in the basic packages.

As for ports of call, all you get is a few hours. Not enough time to do much more than shop and drink. You’d be hard pressed to actually learn anything about the place you “visited”.

My experience is that people who genuinely love travel,and are actually interested in seeing exotic places (not the plaster fake paradise resort hotels), and encounter different cultures don’t even think about cruising.

If you’re the sort of person who goes to the same beach, lake, or mountain every year, and stays in the same place except for a once or twice trip to Disney or Vegas, you’ll be comfortable and well insulated on a cruise.

If you want to really learn about the rest of the world, that’s another matter entirely.
 
Helix said:
Taking a ****ing cruise right now is dumber than opening the schools. I'm starting to think that we're all ****ing doomed. I am so close to maxing my credit out to buy one bitchin' classic muscle car or land yacht and just motoring my way into eternity while listening to Dylan on 8 track and randomly yelling 10-4 into the CB.
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Go for the land yacht. They’re still a lot cheaper, although prices are moving. Bitching classic muscle cars are way too expensive. And the prices will fall spectacularly once the baby boomers start aging out of them.
 
TomFitz said:
Go for the land yacht. They’re still a lot cheaper, although prices are moving. Bitching classic muscle cars are way too expensive. And the prices will fall spectacularly once the baby boomers start aging out of them.
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I've always wanted a 1968 Imperial. I would also like a 1977 Lincoln Contenental Town car with the 460. That was the first car I ever drove. I was ten.
 
TomFitz said:
I didn’t pay for it. I know a few people who cruise. They say similar things, but there really doesn’t seem to be much of a difference in the basic packages.

As for ports of call, all you get is a few hours. Not enough time to do much more than shop and drink. You’d be hard pressed to actually learn anything about the place you “visited”.

My experience is that people who genuinely love travel,and are actually interested in seeing exotic places (not the plaster fake paradise resort hotels), and encounter different cultures don’t even think about cruising.

If you’re the sort of person who goes to the same beach, lake, or mountain every year, and stays in the same place except for a once or twice trip to Disney or Vegas, you’ll be comfortable and well insulated on a cruise.

If you want to really learn about the rest of the world, that’s another matter entirely.
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Cruising is just one way of traveling. Your acting like those who cruise only cruise. This is true for some but certainly not all. This year I had planned on going on two cruises, a road trip to Yellowstone and a trip to Iceland. You don't even mention being out on the sea and the spectacular views etc. How about the gourmet food? Exploring the ship is cool. Cruising isn't just a mode of transportation to your destination. If somebody paid for you it was probably a cheap cruise. Your friends probably go on cheap cruises to. Everybody I know who cruises love it. You have to go on a more luxury line than the Walmart boat you went on. You need to go longer than 3 days too.
 
You couldn't get me on one of those gigantic floating disease ships. Its bad enough that they are usually filled with trash touristas that only see 2 streets full of nick-nack selling vendors and a bland Hard Rock Cafe.

These are for tourists.

I'm a traveler....
 
beefheart said:
You couldn't get me on one of those gigantic floating disease ships. Its bad enough that they are usually filled with trash touristas that only see 2 streets full of nick-nack selling vendors and a bland Hard Rock Cafe.

These are for tourists.

I'm a traveler....
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Where are you headed to next? Walmart?
 
Mongidig said:
Where are you headed to next? Walmart?
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I see places from the street level, not from a giant obnoxious floating city.

I can fly to most places in the world for free, I have no desire to be on a cruise ship with touristas.
 
Helix said:
I've always wanted a 1968 Imperial. I would also like a 1977 Lincoln Contenental Town car with the 460. That was the first car I ever drove. I was ten.
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My dad had two Mercury Marquis, a ‘72 with a 429, and a ‘74 with a 460. When you ride in those big Fords, the only thing that seems to move are the scenery and the gas gauge!

I like the ‘64-‘66 Imperials better. I’m also a sucker for Elwood Engel Lincolns, and the Mark III. (not the Mark IV, too much disco!).
 
beefheart said:
I see places from the street level, not from a giant obnoxious floating city.

I can fly to most places in the world for free, I have no desire to be on a cruise ship with touristas.
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I'm just curious what makes someone comment on a thread topic that they know nothing about or have any interest in. What would make someone compelled to brag about how great of a tourist they are? I know the answer. Perhaps you should think about that before offering an opinion no one gives a **** about. It's just a waste off all of our time.

Some people can afford to take nice vacations and some people are just destined to go on a simple little road trip.
 
Mongidig said:
I'm just curious what makes someone comment on a thread topic that they know nothing about or have any interest in. What would make someone compelled to brag about how great of a tourist they are? I know the answer. Perhaps you should think about that before offering an opinion no one gives a **** about. It's just a waste off all of our time.

Some people can afford to take nice vacations and some people are just destined to go on a simple little road trip.
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Hey, its a matter of personal taste. If you want to be on a cruise ship go ahead. I'd rather visit a place and see it on the street level and experience it. Spend time living there, eating there, conversing there, instead of going back to a gigantic ship.

Ive been in many places that were great, until a cruise ship came in. Most of the places I go to now, I don't have to deal with that. I've been to about 50 countries and every continent except Antartica. I try to go to places off the beaten track that aren't ruined by throngs of tourists. I have done a very large amount of world travel, I have a pretty good database of knowledge and experience.

Do a cruise ship all you want, its not for me. For me it is a distinction between tourism and traveling.
 
Mongidig said:
Cruising is just one way of traveling. Your acting like those who cruise only cruise. This is true for some but certainly not all. This year I had planned on going on two cruises, a road trip to Yellowstone and a trip to Iceland. You don't even mention being out on the sea and the spectacular views etc. How about the gourmet food? Exploring the ship is cool. Cruising isn't just a mode of transportation to your destination. If somebody paid for you it was probably a cheap cruise. Your friends probably go on cheap cruises to. Everybody I know who cruises love it. You have to go on a more luxury line than the Walmart boat you went on. You need to go longer than 3 days too.
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Most of the folks that I know who cruise, mainly cruise, or go to the beach. When they don’t, they prefer the packaged, artificial amusement park places like Dollyworld, Disneyworld and Las Vegas.

You seem to be an exception to that rule. Not one serious traveler that I know cruises. You don’t see much of anything. I know several people who cruise a lot, and who seem to view it as exotic. The last cruiser who said they didn’t cruise much (I hear this a lot) just booked their eighth cruise.

As for spectacular ocean views, I spent several hours sitting on our balcony watching them. The big water was interesting to watch too.

I was on the boat for 7 days, which was four days too long.

Exploring the boat got done on day one.

I have owned many boats over the years, from runabouts to a motor yacht. Being on a boat really doesn’t fascinate me. Not if I’m not at the helm.
 
TomFitz said:
Most of the folks that I know who cruise, mainly cruise, or go to the beach. When they don’t, they prefer the packaged, artificial amusement park places like Dollyworld, Disneyworld and Las Vegas.

You seem to be an exception to that rule. Not one serious traveler that I know cruises. You don’t see much of anything. I know several people who cruise a lot, and who seem to view it as exotic. The last cruiser who said they didn’t cruise much (I hear this a lot) just booked their eighth cruise.

As for spectacular ocean views, I spent several hours sitting on our balcony watching them. The big water was interesting to watch too.

I was on the boat for 7 days, which was four days too long.

Exploring the boat got done on day one.

I have owned many boats over the years, from runabouts to a motor yacht. Being on a boat really doesn’t fascinate me. Not if I’m not at the helm.
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I've done a 3-4 day scuba dive boat a few times, but that is focused on one thing, getting 4-5 dives in each day at as many sites as possible, as well as the chance to get an additional certification fairly quickly. And, it isn't luxurious at all, hell, by the end of the day you are so tired you barely have time to drink a beer before passing out from exhaustion!
 
beefheart said:
Hey, its a matter of personal taste. If you want to be on a cruise ship go ahead. I'd rather visit a place and see it on the street level and experience it. Spend time living there, eating there, conversing there, instead of going back to a gigantic ship.

Ive been in many places that were great, until a cruise ship came in. Most of the places I go to now, I don't have to deal with that. I've been to about 50 countries and every continent except Antartica. I try to go to places off the beaten track that aren't ruined by throngs of tourists. I have done a very large amount of world travel, I have a pretty good database of knowledge and experience.

Do a cruise ship all you want, its not for me. For me it is a distinction between tourism and traveling.
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I suspect that our experience in Nassau sums that up. We arrived on a cruise ship (fresh from the beach island), on the same days as two even larger ships tied up.

Chaos and crowds ensued.

We got a cab and had the guy drive us around AWAY from the tourist traps (I have a phone, I don’t need a discount Rolex).

I would have preferred staying there for two or three days. Enough to talk to some people, sample the local cuisine at leisure, and get a feel for the place. That’s what we do when we travel.

Now, if the cruise lines offered a hop on, hop off option, I might consider it, especially in the Mediterranean. A few days in Barcelona, followed by a day at sea, and then two more days at Monaco or Nice, and then on to three days in Rome would be great.
 
beefheart said:
Hey, its a matter of personal taste. If you want to be on a cruise ship go ahead. I'd rather visit a place and see it on the street level and experience it. Spend time living there, eating there, conversing there, instead of going back to a gigantic ship.

Ive been in many places that were great, until a cruise ship came in. Most of the places I go to now, I don't have to deal with that. I've been to about 50 countries and every continent except Antartica. I try to go to places off the beaten track that aren't ruined by throngs of tourists. I have done a very large amount of world travel, I have a pretty good database of knowledge and experience.

Do a cruise ship all you want, its not for me. For me it is a distinction between tourism and traveling.
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Why does there have to be a distinction at all? Do what you want. Does being a traveler and not a tourist make you a better person? It's just different. Who cares?
 
TomFitz said:
I suspect that our experience in Nassau sums that up. We arrived on a cruise ship (fresh from the beach island), on the same days as two even larger ships tied up.

Chaos and crowds ensued.

We got a cab and had the guy drive us around AWAY from the tourist traps (I have a phone, I don’t need a discount Rolex).

I would have preferred staying there for two or three days. Enough to talk to some people, sample the local cuisine at leisure, and get a feel for the place. That’s what we do when we travel.

Now, if the cruise lines offered a hop on, hop off option, I might consider it, especially in the Mediterranean. A few days in Barcelona, followed by a day at sea, and then two more days at Monaco or Nice, and then on to three days in Rome would be great.
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I knew it! You went to Nassau. That place is a dump and a tourist trap and they are one of the most dangerous cruise ports in the world crime wise.

There are cruises that stay in port multiple days. There was a Baltic cruise I was looking at that stayed in St Petersburg for 3 days. The Mediterranean would be awesome. You can do a cruise and check out a bunch of places then circle back on your own. We did that in Europe by train after we disembarked. You have to go on a nice ship though. I've been on nice ones and budget ones and there is a huge difference especially when it comes to food. Also, the people aren't scummy on the nice ones.
 
TomFitz said:
I suspect that our experience in Nassau sums that up. We arrived on a cruise ship (fresh from the beach island), on the same days as two even larger ships tied up.

Chaos and crowds ensued.

We got a cab and had the guy drive us around AWAY from the tourist traps (I have a phone, I don’t need a discount Rolex).

I would have preferred staying there for two or three days. Enough to talk to some people, sample the local cuisine at leisure, and get a feel for the place. That’s what we do when we travel.

Now, if the cruise lines offered a hop on, hop off option, I might consider it, especially in the Mediterranean. A few days in Barcelona, followed by a day at sea, and then two more days at Monaco or Nice, and then on to three days in Rome would be great.
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I was in Cozumel doing some deep cave stuff once, on Sunday, the whole town was in the main square having a blast. I asked what the occasion was, "This is the day of the week we have no cruise ships in, we get to enjoy our own town!"
 
TomFitz said:
My dad had two Mercury Marquis, a ‘72 with a 429, and a ‘74 with a 460. When you ride in those big Fords, the only thing that seems to move are the scenery and the gas gauge!

I like the ‘64-‘66 Imperials better. I’m also a sucker for Elwood Engel Lincolns, and the Mark III. (not the Mark IV, too much disco!).
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we had a Mark. i think it was a VI. beautiful car, and the computer was neat, but it was a lemon. my parents never bought a used car again after that. the 1988 Town Car was much better, but it cost like 30k in 1987. i drove it when Dad let me. way too much engine for a teenager. i didn't wreck it or mess anything up, though. it taught me how to handle a RWD with a lot of **** and get.
 
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