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Vaccine will not change world right away

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If you thought, like I did, that a vaccine(s) would return the world to normal in quick order, it may not be so.


Coronavirus vaccine will not change world right away

-- The confident depiction by politicians and companies that a vaccine is imminent and inevitable may give people unrealistic beliefs about how soon the world can return to normal and could lead to resistance to simple strategies that can tamp down transmission and save lives in the short term.

If people can just muddle through a few more months, the vaccine will land, the pandemic will end and everyone can throw their masks away. But best-case scenarios have not materialized throughout the pandemic, and experts – who believe wholeheartedly in the power of vaccines – foresee a long path ahead.

The declaration that a vaccine has been shown safe and effective will be a beginning, not the end. Deploying the vaccine to people in the United States and around the world will test and strain distribution networks, the supply chain, public trust and global cooperation. It will take months or, more likely, years to reach enough people to make the world safe. --
 
grip said:
If you thought, like I did, that a vaccine(s) would return the world to normal in quick order, it may not be so.


Coronavirus vaccine will not change world right away

-- The confident depiction by politicians and companies that a vaccine is imminent and inevitable may give people unrealistic beliefs about how soon the world can return to normal and could lead to resistance to simple strategies that can tamp down transmission and save lives in the short term.

If people can just muddle through a few more months, the vaccine will land, the pandemic will end and everyone can throw their masks away. But best-case scenarios have not materialized throughout the pandemic, and experts – who believe wholeheartedly in the power of vaccines – foresee a long path ahead.

The declaration that a vaccine has been shown safe and effective will be a beginning, not the end. Deploying the vaccine to people in the United States and around the world will test and strain distribution networks, the supply chain, public trust and global cooperation. It will take months or, more likely, years to reach enough people to make the world safe. --
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Everyone won't be vaccinated on day one. No. But initially a large number of the most vulnerable will be. Healthcare workers will be. And every person who is vaccinated, that is one less potential spreader, one less potential hospital bed, one less person straining our resources to fight it. It gives us tools to hit hot zones to slow it, and reduce the complicated cases. That combined with anti bodies won't reduce things to 0, but within a couple months of the vaccine the world will be largely safe for people to resume activities with basic things (hand washing and masks will be a common site for years) in place without great risks.
 
Kreton said:
Everyone won't be vaccinated on day one. No. But initially a large number of the most vulnerable will be. Healthcare workers will be. And every person who is vaccinated, that is one less potential spreader, one less potential hospital bed, one less person straining our resources to fight it. It gives us tools to hit hot zones to slow it, and reduce the complicated cases. That combined with anti bodies won't reduce things to 0, but within a couple months of the vaccine the world will be largely safe for people to resume activities with basic things (hand washing and masks will be a common site for years) in place without great risks.
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If the vaccine program is administered like the other CDC guidelines, we're screwed for quite a while yet.
 
grip said:
If you thought, like I did, that a vaccine(s) would return the world to normal in quick order, it may not be so.
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That assumption would be naive. No vaccine is 100% effective.

And vaccination on that scale is very expensive AND political.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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grip said:
If you thought, like I did, that a vaccine(s) would return the world to normal in quick order, it may not be so.


Coronavirus vaccine will not change world right away

-- The confident depiction by politicians and companies that a vaccine is imminent and inevitable may give people unrealistic beliefs about how soon the world can return to normal and could lead to resistance to simple strategies that can tamp down transmission and save lives in the short term.

If people can just muddle through a few more months, the vaccine will land, the pandemic will end and everyone can throw their masks away. But best-case scenarios have not materialized throughout the pandemic, and experts – who believe wholeheartedly in the power of vaccines – foresee a long path ahead.

The declaration that a vaccine has been shown safe and effective will be a beginning, not the end. Deploying the vaccine to people in the United States and around the world will test and strain distribution networks, the supply chain, public trust and global cooperation. It will take months or, more likely, years to reach enough people to make the world safe. --
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It really depends on the supply and motivation, In the US, if we can get the supply of vaccine, we could have it distributed via the military at voting percents.
A small group of people could give thousands of vaccines per day, the entire country could be done in about 2 weeks.
It would take a lot of logistics, and the supply of vaccine, but it could be done.
Consider that on Nov 11 2016 ~ 80 million people showed up and voted in a single day.
Every last one of them had their names validated against the voter registration list.
I suspect if properly planned, a similar throughput could be has for a mass vaccination, so about 4 days for 300 million people.
 
grip said:
If you thought, like I did, that a vaccine(s) would return the world to normal in quick order, it may not be so.


Coronavirus vaccine will not change world right away

-- The confident depiction by politicians and companies that a vaccine is imminent and inevitable may give people unrealistic beliefs about how soon the world can return to normal and could lead to resistance to simple strategies that can tamp down transmission and save lives in the short term.

If people can just muddle through a few more months, the vaccine will land, the pandemic will end and everyone can throw their masks away. But best-case scenarios have not materialized throughout the pandemic, and experts – who believe wholeheartedly in the power of vaccines – foresee a long path ahead.

The declaration that a vaccine has been shown safe and effective will be a beginning, not the end. Deploying the vaccine to people in the United States and around the world will test and strain distribution networks, the supply chain, public trust and global cooperation. It will take months or, more likely, years to reach enough people to make the world safe. --
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Nice article packed with history and information but it's essentially an opinion piece using quotes from those that can back up that opinion. The author has no scientific credentials. None.

I prefer to remain cautiously optimistic. As the author says initially the Polio vaccine was not 100 percent effective and there was even a grave error by a manufacturer that did a lot of harm. But an 80 percent elective elimination of Polio in shot period of time with eventually 100 percent would do a lot to get us closer to normal with the corona virus.


One point the author made, that worries me are all the idiots we have now that not only question science, but believe conspiracy theories or refuse to get vaccinated due to bad information. That will probably be our major problem.
 
Rogue Valley said:
If the vaccine program is administered like the other CDC guidelines, we're screwed for quite a while yet.
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I think it will go ok. We saw with ventilators, gloves, masks, ect. that eventually people ignore the politician who are doing everything possible to bungle it, and supplies get where they are needed.
 
Lursa said:
That assumption would be naive. No vaccine is 100% effective.

And vaccination on that scale is very expensive AND political.
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And...

WHO says no ''silver bullet'' to coronavirus and ''there might never be''


longview said:
It really depends on the supply and motivation, In the US, if we can get the supply of vaccine, we could have it distributed via the military at voting percents.
A small group of people could give thousands of vaccines per day, the entire country could be done in about 2 weeks.
It would take a lot of logistics, and the supply of vaccine, but it could be done.
Consider that on Nov 11 2016 ~ 80 million people showed up and voted in a single day.
Every last one of them had their names validated against the voter registration list.
I suspect if properly planned, a similar throughput could be has for a mass vaccination, so about 4 days for 300 million people.
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The sheer logistics of moving 300 million people to get vaccinated will take time. There are those who won't think they don't need it or it's dangerous, and others who simply struggle to travel to sources of the vaccine.
 
beefheart said:
And having NO vaccine is 0% effective.
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Not sure that's true either.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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grip said:
If you thought, like I did, that a vaccine(s) would return the world to normal in quick order, it may not be so.


Coronavirus vaccine will not change world right away

-- The confident depiction by politicians and companies that a vaccine is imminent and inevitable may give people unrealistic beliefs about how soon the world can return to normal and could lead to resistance to simple strategies that can tamp down transmission and save lives in the short term.

If people can just muddle through a few more months, the vaccine will land, the pandemic will end and everyone can throw their masks away. But best-case scenarios have not materialized throughout the pandemic, and experts – who believe wholeheartedly in the power of vaccines – foresee a long path ahead.

The declaration that a vaccine has been shown safe and effective will be a beginning, not the end. Deploying the vaccine to people in the United States and around the world will test and strain distribution networks, the supply chain, public trust and global cooperation. It will take months or, more likely, years to reach enough people to make the world safe. --
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They are already producing millions of doses even though the vaccines aren't approved yet.
 
grip said:
And...

WHO says no ''silver bullet'' to coronavirus and ''there might never be''




The sheer logistics of moving 300 million people to get vaccinated will take time. There are those who won't think they don't need it or it's dangerous, and others who simply struggle to travel to sources of the vaccine.
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I did not say it would be easy! Most people if given an option like reporting to their local voting percents on a specific day for the vaccine, will show up.
We do not need everyone, just a a good majority.
 
grip said:
And...

WHO says no ''silver bullet'' to coronavirus and ''there might never be''



The sheer logistics of moving 300 million people to get vaccinated will take time. There are those who won't think they don't need it or it's dangerous, and others who simply struggle to travel to sources of the vaccine.
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Well then let's just all go out behind the house and put a bullet in our heads. My God do you just want to give up before we even start? Seems to be there is a new flu vaccine ever year that can be administered to anyone that needs it. That includes the entire country!
 
longview said:
It really depends on the supply and motivation, In the US, if we can get the supply of vaccine, we could have it distributed via the military at voting percents.
A small group of people could give thousands of vaccines per day, the entire country could be done in about 2 weeks.
It would take a lot of logistics, and the supply of vaccine, but it could be done.
Consider that on Nov 11 2016 ~ 80 million people showed up and voted in a single day.
Every last one of them had their names validated against the voter registration list.
I suspect if properly planned, a similar throughput could be has for a mass vaccination, so about 4 days for 300 million people.
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I remember getting vaccinated in Basic training. They use air guns and it goes really really fast. Thousands in one day. If the military can do it so can the civillians.
 
longview said:
I did not say it would be easy! Most people if given an option like reporting to their local voting percents on a specific day for the vaccine, will show up.
We do not need everyone, just a a good majority.
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U.S. lacks plan for getting vaccine to communities of color devastated by virus


EnigmaO01 said:
Well then let's just all go out behind the house and put a bullet in our heads. My God do you just want to give up before we even start? Seems to be there is a new flu vaccine ever year that can be administered to anyone that needs it. That includes the entire country!
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I'm merely pointing out articles of concern, not making statements that we shouldn't vaccinate as much as possible.
 
There's much yet to be done. The US FDA will, hopefully, make sure that all boxes are checked.

The US already has a good distribution system in place. It fires up every autumn for the influenza virus vaccine. As long as it's unaffected by politics, it will get the dog walked with minimal fuss.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
 
What concerns me is the common cold is also a corona virus. And we all know how evasive to a vaccine the common cold is. I beieve there are 214 strains that are constantly mutating?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I remember getting vaccinated in Basic training. They use air guns and it goes really really fast. Thousands in one day. If the military can do it so can the civillians.
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I have heard of that, not sure it is approved for civilian use.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Why not?
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I think there was some added risks of cross contamination.
Ask the Mayo Clinic: Whatever happened to 'jet injectors?' - seattlepi.com
In some cases, however, jet injectors could bring blood or other body fluids to the surface of the skin while the vaccine was being administered.
Those fluids could contaminate the injector, creating the possibility that viruses could be transmitted to another person being vaccinated with the same device.
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EnigmaO01 said:
What concerns me is the common cold is also a corona virus. And we all know how evasive to a vaccine the common cold is. I beieve there are 214 strains that are constantly mutating?
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The common cold may create T cells that offer some people immunity from C19.
 
Who knows what will happen with a vaccine? It does seem many people are playing it safe and waiting for a vaccine that may not come or may not be here for several months or years. I think slowly but surely people will start to peek their heads out and rejoin society. I have faith there will be a vaccine or good therapeutics in the not so distant future. I am also prepared to coexist with the virus and just do the best I can to stay safe.
 
The fastest ever development for a vaccine is the Flu vaccine. It took twelve years.
 
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