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New Rule: The Quarantine 15. Americans who are Overweight at greater Covid-19 Risk.

trixare4kids said:
You be careful. Prove I liked a post calling for regulations or retract your lie.
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I do not recall lying. I was just trying to help you out. If you want to carry on without going back through the bread crumbs leading back to the beginning of your discussion with SenorXm/Sirius, it is up to you. You are usually more careful than this, though.
 
I don't want to sound heartless here, but if people can get through past 70/80 years in my opinion were blessed with a full life.

People as we age our body parts start to wear out. That is the cycle of life. There are a slew of drugs, surgeries and treatments to keep them going but often the quality of life is lost.

The overwhelming majority of COViD deaths have been in seniors. Seniors are often overweight mainly because it is physically painful to be active. Their joints are worn out. Their liver, kidneys, and heart are slowing down unable to throw off a lot of water weight. They try restrictive diets like no salt, refined sugars, bleached flour that may help but it doesn't change the fact that their bodies are worn out and a virus can easily take them out.

This month I turn 68. I will testify that getting older is not for a sissy. The older you get the more aches and pains you endure. The older you get the more your body starts having problems.

If you are still young, eat right, avoid drugs, alcohol, and exercise regularly. If you do this now in twenty years when you are decades older you will be in better shape to handle what life throws at you. But ultimately something will be your demise. We all die of something.
 
Captain Adverse said:
This is a thread on one of the issues I've had with our society long before Bill Maher talks about it in this video.

The problem with an over-weight (and indolent) society which creates many major health problems.

Now, per Mr. Maher's "research," it seems that Americans who are overweight are more susceptible to negative outcomes with Covid-19.

That people with a body mass index of 35 - 40 have a 49% increased risk of dying from Covid-19. While those with a BMI over 40% have a 90% increase in that risk.

Here is his video:



We are an overweight society. I've commented on this in other threads, including raising the issue of how this already causes health issues leading to greater demands (and costs) on our health systems.

Anecdotally, just yesterday when I went out shopping at various lacales, I noted that the vast majority of fellow citizens were significantly over-weight (even children). There were also a number classifiable as obese, if not morbidly so (seen in "scooter" use.) I'd say easily 7 out of 10 people fell into these categories.

I agree with Mr. Maher that this is the time for our Medical Experts to point this problem out, and use the current Covid-19 situation to push healthier eating habits and efforts at weight loss.
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You really want to lock up most of trumps supporters, seems counter productive on your part. Will you let them vote by mail in ballets?
 
Xilnik said:
I do not recall lying. I was just trying to help you out. If you want to carry on without going back through the bread crumbs leading back to the beginning of your discussion with SenorXm/Sirius, it is up to you. You are usually more careful than this, though.
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Ok, you were implying I was lying. Don't help me. Help yourself. Ironic that you would preach about being careful.
There is not a post on this thread where I "liked" anyone's post who is calling for regulations.
 
vesper said:
I don't want to sound heartless here, but if people can get through past 70/80 years in my opinion were blessed with a full life.

People as we age our body parts start to wear out. That is the cycle of life. There are a slew of drugs, surgeries and treatments to keep them going but often the quality of life is lost.

The overwhelming majority of COViD deaths have been in seniors. Seniors are often overweight mainly because it is physically painful to be active. Their joints are worn out. Their liver, kidneys, and heart are slowing down unable to throw off a lot of water weight. They try restrictive diets like no salt, refined sugars, bleached flour that may help but it doesn't change the fact that their bodies are worn out and a virus can easily take them out.

This month I turn 68. I will testify that getting older is not for a sissy. The older you get the more aches and pains you endure. The older you get the more your body starts having problems.

If you are still young, eat right, avoid drugs, alcohol, and exercise regularly. If you do this now in twenty years when you are decades older you will be in better shape to handle what life throws at you. But ultimately something will be your demise. We all die of something.
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If you wish to fade out on your own terms, then I can't stop you. That's your choice, and I respect what you do.

You do not get to assign value to the lives of others, no matter how old they are.
 
trixare4kids said:
Ok, you were implying I was lying. Don't help me. Help yourself. Ironic that you would preach about being careful.
There is not a post on this thread where I "liked" anyone's post who is calling for regulations.
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There is not a post on this thread where you were accused of liking a post about regulating sugar. You were accused of replying to a post about regulating sugar. And you did reply to a post about it in post #5.

In the future, I will be more careful not to try to help you out. You clearly have embarrassing yourself 100% under control.


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trixare4kids said:
Agree to your No above.
The keyword is to advise our citizens as to the risks. Give them the tools, but let them make their own decisions.
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They already are in spite of plenty of information available and probably given to them by their doctors whenever they visit them. The thing is, the easiest choice is what's fast and cheap; what falls in that category is fast food. As a society we tend to eat way too much fats and carbohydrates then live a rather sedentary lifestyle. This was one of the concerns I had when COVID 19 began spreading and reports were coming out that people with co-morbidities were at risk. One in three people are obese, and with that comes all of the physical conditions that go along with it. What's rather sad to see is our poor food choices are spreading throughout the world.
 
Schism said:
Maybe it's a question of whether the obese should have health coverage if they refuse to eat healthy.

Maybe the same goes for smokers and meth/heroin addicts.

After all, I heard somewhere that choices sometimes carry consequences.
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Careful what you wish for.

If you ride a motorcyle without a helmet and you're involved in an accident, you don't get health coverage.

If you refuse to wear a mask when requested to do so, you don't get health coverage.

If you don't wear a seatbelt and are involved in an accident, you don't get health coverage.

You sure you wanna go there?

My position is that anyone who needs assistance from health professionals, should get get it. Irrespective of the personal choices they have made in their lives.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Remember when Michelle Obama wanted healthier lunches in schools? And the **** storm that came from the Conservatives and the Conservative media? And that was kids. Lol..

Yeah laws to regulate sugar.. That will go over well..
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I was going to say that. One of the things that conservatives did that drove me nuts. We have a serious obesity epidemic in the U.S., that kills more people that COVID does, and Michelle Obama got vilified for it. And I'd have thought that working hard to stay fit would fall in line with conservative values, to include moderation in food consumption. I mean, conservatism is partially about not just doing whatever feels good but to be prudent with your resources and actions.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Remember when Michelle Obama wanted healthier lunches in schools? And the **** storm that came from the Conservatives and the Conservative media? And that was kids. Lol..

Yeah laws to regulate sugar.. That will go over well..
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This post is so freaking good.
 
Phys251 said:
If you wish to fade out on your own terms, then I can't stop you. That's your choice, and I respect what you do.

You do not get to assign value to the lives of others, no matter how old they are.
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Where do you get off making a claim that I assigned value to the lives of others? Good grief. What I stated was factual. It had nothing to do with assigning value to any life.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Remember when Michelle Obama wanted healthier lunches in schools? And the **** storm that came from the Conservatives and the Conservative media? And that was kids. Lol..

Yeah laws to regulate sugar.. That will go over well..
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The ****storm came from the kids disgusted with the lunches they were being served after Michelle Obama's changes. They were taking pictures of their lunches and posting them on social media day after day calling it slop.

While Michelle Obama was trying to make kids eat healthier, her edicts didn't end up in school cafeterias across the country producing food kids wanted to eat.

Kids should first learn about eating healthy at home. When they are raised that way when they do eat stuff that isn't good for them, they don't feel so good and learn the difference early.

For many years now kids don't get breakfast at home before going to school unless it is a bowl of sugary cereal, pop tarts, frozen pancakes heated up in the microwave drowned in refined sugar syrup.

I would say at least 70% of kids in this country are pumped full of sugar every morning because mama and daddy do not have time to provide them with a healthy protein based breakfast that would prepare them with a good start to their day. Kids first learn good eating habits at home. If they are not learning those habits at home, government mandates will not be successful either.

It is unfortunate that so many kids have such poor diets because of their parents. A pop tart for breakfast. A peanut butter jelly sandwich with chips for lunch and Kraft Macaroni and cheese or McDonald's for dinner. What they are doing are raising kids that at an early age will have diabetes, high blood pressure and other health issues.

This isn't a government problem. It is a parent problem.
 
Serenity said:
Careful what you wish for.

If you ride a motorcyle without a helmet and you're involved in an accident, you don't get health coverage.

If you refuse to wear a mask when requested to do so, you don't get health coverage.

If you don't wear a seatbelt and are involved in an accident, you don't get health coverage.

You sure you wanna go there?

My position is that anyone who needs assistance from health professionals, should get get it. Irrespective of the personal choices they have made in their lives.
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We're already there.

Carriers already require a statement of denial regarding tobacco use, surcharge for tobacco users, and offer cessation programs. You believe they won't collect a hair follicle if they want one from the doctors? The next logical step is denial of coverage for lung cancer, or maybe just all cancer to be sure. Can you blame them? They're 'for profit' you know. No need resuscitating fatties from a heart attack so they can eat thier way through a million dollars in healthcare.

Why should I pay for narcissism and weak self-discipline?

No Thanks.
 
Fishking said:
I was going to say that. One of the things that conservatives did that drove me nuts. We have a serious obesity epidemic in the U.S., that kills more people that COVID does, and Michelle Obama got vilified for it. And I'd have thought that working hard to stay fit would fall in line with conservative values, to include moderation in food consumption. I mean, conservatism is partially about not just doing whatever feels good but to be prudent with your resources and actions.
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Her last name was Obama, that's why she was vilified. Obama wore a tan suit once and the Con media lost their minds.

This had little to do with what's good or bad for peoples, or in Michelle's case, for kids. It is about if a Democrat said it's good, the Conservative media must say it's bad.
 
vesper said:
The ****storm came from the kids disgusted with the lunches they were being served after Michelle Obama's changes. They were taking pictures of their lunches and posting them on social media day after day calling it slop.

While Michelle Obama was trying to make kids eat healthier, her edicts didn't end up in school cafeterias across the country producing food kids wanted to eat.

Kids should first learn about eating healthy at home. When they are raised that way when they do eat stuff that isn't good for them, they don't feel so good and learn the difference early.

For many years now kids don't get breakfast at home before going to school unless it is a bowl of sugary cereal, pop tarts, frozen pancakes heated up in the microwave drowned in refined sugar syrup.

I would say at least 70% of kids in this country are pumped full of sugar every morning because mama and daddy do not have time to provide them with a healthy protein based breakfast that would prepare them with a good start to their day. Kids first learn good eating habits at home. If they are not learning those habits at home, government mandates will not be successful either.

It is unfortunate that so many kids have such poor diets because of their parents. A pop tart for breakfast. A peanut butter jelly sandwich with chips for lunch and Kraft Macaroni and cheese or McDonald's for dinner. What they are doing are raising kids that at an early age will have diabetes, high blood pressure and other health issues.

This isn't a government problem. It is a parent problem.
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Well, considering the staggering cost of dealing with obesity-related conditions I suggest it is also a government problem.

Direct medical cost of overweight and obesity in the United States: a quantitative systematic review
 
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vesper said:
Where do you get off making a claim that I assigned value to the lives of others? Good grief. What I stated was factual. It had nothing to do with assigning value to any life.
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I know that conservatives struggle to take responsibility for anything they say, but on the off chance you decide to make a rare exception, let me remind you of the words that you wrote:

vesper said:
I don't want to sound heartless here, but if people can get through past 70/80 years in my opinion were blessed with a full life.

People as we age our body parts start to wear out. That is the cycle of life. There are a slew of drugs, surgeries and treatments to keep them going but often the quality of life is lost.

The overwhelming majority of COViD deaths have been in seniors. Seniors are often overweight mainly because it is physically painful to be active. Their joints are worn out. Their liver, kidneys, and heart are slowing down unable to throw off a lot of water weight. They try restrictive diets like no salt, refined sugars, bleached flour that may help but it doesn't change the fact that their bodies are worn out and a virus can easily take them out.

This month I turn 68. I will testify that getting older is not for a sissy. The older you get the more aches and pains you endure. The older you get the more your body starts having problems.

If you are still young, eat right, avoid drugs, alcohol, and exercise regularly. If you do this now in twenty years when you are decades older you will be in better shape to handle what life throws at you. But ultimately something will be your demise. We all die of something.
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Your message was clear: If an old person gets COVID-19, don't help them, just let them die.

Old lives matter too.
 
vesper said:
This isn't a government problem. It is a parent problem.
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When so many people are overweight, you have to think a bit beyond "personal responsibility". It's a societal problem driven by the conditions around us.
 
Phys251 said:
I know that conservatives struggle to take responsibility for anything they say, but on the off chance you decide to make a rare exception, let me remind you of the words that you wrote:



Your message was clear: If an old person gets COVID-19, don't help them, just let them die.

Old lives matter too.
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Weird that you have to tell that to the "all lives matter" crowd.
 
Captain Adverse said:
No.

More like a two step process.

1. As I pointed out in prior threads on our overweight society; laws that seriously regulate the amount of "added sugars" to food products for starters. Haven't you ever looked at the packaging to see not only how much "added sugars" therein, but also those "hidden sugars" like corn fructose, etc.? IMO, unless it is specifically a "confection" (cake, candy, pie, ice-cream, etc.) there should be NO added sugars.

2. Advise citizens that this is a problem that could make them at higher risk of Covid-19 hazards, and provide healthy eating guidelines for use during "quarantines" and just in general to help reduce weight.
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Another side of the coin is that Maher should discuss the role of vitamins C, D and the mineral zinc as part of the diet to strengthen the immune system.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
In post 5 YOU replied to the OP and in his post he wrote this:



The word REGULATE is right there.. You replied to the post that used the word REGULATE...

If you can't see that I can't help you out..
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OK, my apologies... I completely misread what you originally wrote. The poster talked about it.
 
Xilnik said:
Careful...
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Apologies to you too. I completely misread what he was saying and yes, you did try to help.
I am embarrassed, as you said, I usually don't miss a wink. :3oops:
 
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