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The idiots in Berlin, too much freedom shows the stupidity of the people

Uh huh! People in Nazi Germany did what they were told. So did the folks in the Soviet Union. How'ed that work out?

worked out for those Americans who were ordered to waterboard prisoners and then proceeded as they were directed

so, share your point with us once again
 
worked out for those Americans who were ordered to waterboard prisoners and then proceeded as they were directed

so, share your point with us once again

No telling how many lives were saved, too.
 
Uh huh! People in Nazi Germany did what they were told. So did the folks in the Soviet Union. How'ed that work out?

There's no point having a conversation with someone who equates wearing a mask with Nazi Germany.
 
There's no point having a conversation with someone who equates wearing a mask with Nazi Germany.

You shouldn't make foolish comments that warrant comparisons to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
 
You shouldn't make foolish comments that warrant comparisons to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

There was nothing foolish about my comment, as evidenced by the fact that your only response to it was to make an absurd comparison to Nazi Germany.

Your views about not doing what you're told are especially ironic in light of your apparent religiosity. It seems that when it comes to bizarre and arbitrary commands in millennia-old books of questionable origin, you're just the perfectly obedient little trooper. But if a scientists say you should wear a mask because it makes sense and the science supports it, it's Nazis all the way around.
 
Who in the hell would die for the freedom, huh?

Not to be pedantic, but D-day had a survival rate of 97.2%, not including naval forces (4414 confirmed deaths from 156,000 soldiers.). COVID-19 has a case survival rate, in the US, of 97%.
 
Not to be pedantic, but D-day had a survival rate of 97.2%, not including naval forces (4414 confirmed deaths from 156,000 soldiers.). COVID-19 has a case survival rate, in the US, of 97%.

Well, hell guess those men on Omaha Beach had ****ing easy, then.
 
There was nothing foolish about my comment, as evidenced by the fact that your only response to it was to make an absurd comparison to Nazi Germany.

Your views about not doing what you're told are especially ironic in light of your apparent religiosity. It seems that when it comes to bizarre and arbitrary commands in millennia-old books of questionable origin, you're just the perfectly obedient little trooper. But if a scientists say you should wear a mask because it makes sense and the science supports it, it's Nazis all the way around.

Don't forget the Soviet Union.
 
Well, hell guess those men on Omaha Beach had ****ing easy, then.

Yes, if you believe survival rates are an indication of the difficulty of a given situation. Interestingly enough, COVID-19 has already killed more Americans than WW1 did.
 
Yes, if you believe survival rates are an indication of the difficulty of a given situation. Interestingly enough, COVID-19 has already killed more Americans than WW1 did.

There were only 103 million people in The United States in 1918. Still want to compare those numbers?
 
There were only 103 million people in The United States in 1918. Still want to compare those numbers?

Yeah. The US committed 4.7 million troops to WW1, and 4.7 million people have contracted COVID-19. They're surprisingly comparable, if you compare the number of participants, and not overall population.
 
Yeah. The US committed 4.7 million troops to WW1, and 4.7 million people have contracted COVID-19. They're surprisingly comparable, if you compare the number of participants, and not overall population.

The United States has 3.5x more people now, than in 1918. We have more than 10x the poulation of Australia. Of course our numbers are going to be higher.
 
The United States has 3.5x more people now, than in 1918. We have more than 10x the poulation of Australia. Of course our numbers are going to be higher.

The rate of death in both wars and pandemics is based on the amount of people fighting/infected. You don't include civilians or uninfected people. The numbers are comparable enough to show that contracting COVID-19 carries the same risk of death as fighting in WW1, for Americans.

If you want to bring Australia into this, we had a death rate in WW1 of 16%, but have a COVID-19 fatality rate of just 1.2%, of course, numbers here are completely different, as over 400,000 Australians fought in WW1, but only 17,000 have contracted COVID-19.
 
That's really bad, in Berlin the whole human garbage of Germany is generally often gathering together.

Hearing a German referring to people as "human garbage" is unnerving. I wonder why...?
 
If you want to bring Australia into this, we had a death rate in WW1 of 16%, but have a COVID-19 fatality rate of just 1.2%, of course, numbers here are completely different, as over 400,000 Australians fought in WW1, but only 17,000 have contracted COVID-19.

Adjusted for population:

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In Berlin this weekend are demonstrations of tens of thousands of people who consider Corona insignificant and harmless, see video below. That's really bad, in Berlin the whole human garbage of Germany is generally often gathering together. Here in the province people are not so stupid and disciplined. These people should be deprived of their health insurance protection. And drive them apart with tear gas and water cannons. :mad:




They could be protesting spinach for all I know.
 
:doh

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and thinking you used "Hitler" as some kind of extreme example.

But it appears that you not only agree with his tactics, (and those of Communist China), it also indicates that you are an advocate of authoritarian Socialism.

I am from the USA, and I adhere to the principles of liberty established not only by our Founders, but by all the great thinkers in History.

Those who advocated for the greatest individual freedoms, with the lightest government controls possible needed to maintain citizen's individual rights. As well as to protect such rights from enemy threats both foreign and domestic.

So I can't agree with your ideological positions....nor your ad hominem attacks on fellow citizens who are trying to freely express their disagreements with government exercise of power.

Let me tell you something. We have no freedom and democracy in Germany. That's just a facade. With tricks and underhanded methods, democracy has been undermined. The citizens are massively manipulated by the mass media and this undermines democracy. Germans have to pay 8000 million Euro every year for the mass media with compulsory fees.

These mass media are extremely one-sided. According to studies, almost 90% of journalists are green-red. Conservatives and right-wing parties are hunted down with the worst of methods. This is not a fair democracy! This is a sham democracy! One can also observe the problem with the topic Donald Trump. The German mass media systematically report negatively about Trump. Every day there is some news that emphasizes some negative aspect. Often completely insignificant details. But everything that can be used negatively against Trump is built up into a news item.
The big problem of democracy is party democracy. I had already written it somewhere in the forum. There are about, say, 100 important topics. There is party a and party b and party c. Each of these parties has, let's say, the same opinion as me on 30 important issues. No matter which party I vote for, I always vote against my own opinion by a majority. That is a joke, not a democracy. The Swiss do better with referenda. But that's only democratic if the citizens can obtain comprehensive, objective and neutral information. That is not possible with the mass media, which in Germany povide very one-sided information and are financed with EUR 8000 million in compulsory fees.
We have no democracy, only a sham democracy. Nor do we have freedom, but only the appearance of freedom. And I say this to them. The Chinese are more honest! They do not cheat the population with tricks. Their dictatorship works very well, at least at the moment, and the country has been able to make great progress in a very short time. The Chinese could have chosen. They'd have been manipulated too. Maybe they would have believed Western propaganda, maybe incompetent people would have come to the government. If the Chinese regime hadn't put down the student uprising at the time, would it have been better in terms of development and prosperity? Probably not! The regime did indeed quell the protest. But at the same time they took responsibility for the construction of China and did their best! Today, after decades, they have justified the defeat as being right one has to say that fortunately the student uprising was crushed.

And as for Germany, National Socialism had a lot of potential to be a sustainably successful social system. Much of what was good and right in National Socialism is today very neglected and that is not good. There was the persecution of the Jews, but the genocide would have happened only once anyway, that is the nature of the matter. For example, I think it is right and important that hereditary fetuses are selected. So that the body of the people remains healthy. The socialism of the National Socialists was also very good and just. The Volksgemeinschaft, all brothers and sisters who build together and create progress. This has so much positive potential...
I see a lot of degeneration and bad developments today. In former times there was the mother cross, today only the Arabs have enough children in Germany. We have no democracy, because the people who see the degeneration and want to counteract it are massively suppressed. They are deprived of the majority who could convince them. If there were true democracy, then the AFD would form the next government in Germany. Because most citizens still think like the AFD. But against it the mass media stand those with 8000 million Euro per year, which educate people to the wanted degeneration.

Democracy does not work! What is good about democracy is suppressed and prevented. We also have nothing else than in China, see the reality! But our regime is not as good as the one in China. Because we in Germany are degenerating on many levels.
 
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Germany has had less than 1000 confirmed new cases every day except for 6, since the beginning of May, and less than 10,000 deaths.
 
Germany has had less than 1000 confirmed new cases every day except for 6, since the beginning of May, and less than 10,000 deaths.

The Germans are also mostly disciplined and wear masks. This demonstration in Berlin, all the crazies have gathered there.
With a population of millions, you can find 20,000 idiots. As I read in the news, the penalties for people who refuse to wear masks are now being increased, from 20 to 150 euros for example.
 
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