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The cult of Trump is starting to inflict casualties. Just ask Louie Gohmert

Mika-El said:
Is that particular to Republicans?

You lost me. Are you suggesting Hilary Clinton and Bill Clinton are clean and innocent people?
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Conservatives need someone to tell them what to think...
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I'm not conservative and I don't really disagree, but this has to be the most preciously ironic thing I've read all week. One need only see how slavishly so many Democrats get on board with left-wing newspeak and kiss up to AOC and her GND to understand that.
 
JacksinPA said:
So you're broke, hungry, unemployed, homeless, cramped into a covid-ridden shelter. Are you going to vote for another 4 years of Trump? Look what 4 years of his authoritarianism has done for us all.
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I never before thought of the challenges homeless people face to register to vote.
 
Tlrmln said:
I'm not conservative and I don't really disagree, but this has to be the most preciously ironic thing I've read all week. One need only see how slavishly so many Democrats get on board with left-wing newspeak and kiss up to AOC and her GND to understand that.
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I live in NY and if it wasn't for the constant screaming and scare tactics of the Con media and their viewers here who parrot the Con medias rhetoric about AOC, I wouldn't have a clue who AOC was/is. There were people here who were spewing nonsense about her running for the Dem nomination this year, even though she's not old enough...lol.. That's how big of a bogeyman she is to the right wing..

But she's brown, a Dem and a woman so she on the conservative media hit list, thus she's on the right wing hit list too.. She's almost taken over the Clintons most hated spot for the RW, Almost..

She's a freshman congresswoman from a dinky part of NYC.. No one I know gives a rats ass what she says. Only conservatives seem to care.
 
Greenbeard said:
With 150K+ dead Americans and -33% GDP growth.

So, poorly.
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You think Hillary would have stopped Wuhan Virus? :lamo

The only difference today between President Hillary and President Trump is CNN would have been applauding Hillary to cutting the 2 million projected deaths to a mere 150,000.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump is to blame for the USA having the worst results in the western world from Covid 19. You need to wake up and smell the roses. His "leadership" has killed 10's of 1000's of us needlessly.

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT

Experts: 90 percent of US coronavirus deaths could have been avoided if measures had been taken just two weeks earlier | TheHill

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... you do realize that the idiots you have let into your brain have showed a graph of a flattened curve and then hoped their stupid readers won't realize it? Wait, of course you don't....

Also, I heavily doubt the numbers coming out of the EU because their Positive/Million and Deaths/Million just don't mesh. They have a very low Positive/Million and a very high deaths/million.... so either their health care systems sucks, or their testing does.

For instance, the UK has 1/3rd the number of Positive/Million compared to the US, but their Deaths/Million is 42% higher.
 
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jmotivator said:
You think Hillary would have stopped Wuhan Virus? :lamo

The only difference today between President Hillary and President Trump is CNN would have been applauding Hillary to cutting the 2 million projected deaths to a mere 150,000.
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hillary would not have made the cuts to the pandemic budgets/staffing that tRump did

being a policy wonk, she would have implemented the Pandemic for Dummies playbook that team Obama had left behind

so, yes, if we had been wise enough to elect hillary, what we now see as the tRump-virus epidemic would have been contained as in other G7 nations
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I live in NY and if it wasn't for the constant screaming and scare tactics of the Con media and their viewers here who parrot the Con medias rhetoric about AOC, I wouldn't have a clue who AOC was/is. There were people here who were spewing nonsense about her running for the Dem nomination this year, even though she's not old enough...lol.. That's how big of a bogeyman she is to the right wing..

But she's brown, a Dem and a woman so she on the conservative media hit list, thus she's on the right wing hit list too.. She's almost taken over the Clintons most hated spot for the RW, Almost..

She's a freshman congresswoman from a dinky part of NYC.. No one I know gives a rats ass what she says. Only conservatives seem to care.
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My reference to AOC was hardly the main point of my comment, but if that's what you'd like to focus on (while ignoring my reference to the absurd GND that so many Dems (including Biden) are now eagerly humping), more power to you.

Nikki Haley and Condi Rice are brown and female, and they are darlings of the mainstream right. So maybe those are points are just red herrings on your part?
 
jmotivator said:
... you do realize that the idiots you have let into your brain have showed a graph of a flattened curve and then hoped their stupid readers won't realize it? Wait, of course you don't....

Also, I heavily doubt the numbers coming out of the EU because their Positive/Million and Deaths/Million just don't mesh. They have a very low Positive/Million and a very high deaths/million.... so either their health care systems sucks, or their testing does.
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You call the US line flattened? I see a "U" with nothing below 60 new cases per million. We have 1/5 of the deaths and 4% of the world population. You don't find that concerning?
 
trixare4kids said:
He is not responsible for the deaths of others. You are repeating leftist talking points.

Dr. Fauci Says Trump Listened to His Recommendations | PEOPLE.com

Anthony Fauci says Trump 'got it right away' on need to extend social distancing guidelines - CNNPolitics
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When we compare what other leaders did with the same information as Trump it becomes quite obvious that Trump did not "get it" and his slowness to respond leaves us with 1/5 of the deaths with 4% of the world's population. But the worst part is that we have more infection today than we did in April. Please read my link as it explains everything about what was wrong with Trumps response.

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT
 
justabubba said:
hillary would not have made the cuts to the pandemic budgets/staffing that tRump did
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Trump made no such cuts. Trump proposed the cuts, but no such cuts have happened, in fact the budget has increased annually under President Trump.

Also, there were no cuts to staff, some Obama era staffers resigned.

So you only got everything wrong.
 
Tlrmln said:
Nikki Haley and Condi Rice are brown and female, and they are darlings of the mainstream right. So maybe those are points are just red herrings on your part?
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Yeah, when comparing those 2 to AOC, you're missing 1 key part of this, they aren't Dems..

Remember Trump retweeted 'the only 'good Democrat is a dead Democrat'... And after that remember the silence from other GOP politicians, and the mainstream right. Imagine how vocal Fox and Limbaugh would be if Obama said the 'only good Republican is a dead Republican'..

That's a hell of a statement from a POTUS, no?
 
iguanaman said:
You call the US line flattened? I see a "U" with nothing below 60 new cases per million. We have 1/5 of the deaths and 4% of the world population. You don't find that concerning?
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Yes, a flattened curve is intended to maintain infection rate bellow the capacity of the medical system as a whole, as opposed to one giant spike you either have a low grade, protracted spike or a series of mini spikes.

As I said, they wrote that to fool the idiots that don't know what words mean.
 
iguanaman said:
When we compare what other leaders did with the same information as Trump it becomes quite obvious that Trump did not "get it" and his slowness to respond leaves us with 1/5 of the deaths with 4% of the world's population. But the worst part is that we have more infection today than we did in April. Please read my link as it explains everything about what was wrong with Trumps response.

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT
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Perfect example of a liberal believing what he is spoon fed to believe and not applying an ounce of critical thought of his own. Outside of the major Western powers, we have no idea how many people across the globe have died from this virus. And when you compare our numbers to those western powers, we are doing better than most. So your entire post is a lie that you fell for because it feeds into what you want to believe. Typical liberal.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yeah, when comparing those 2 to AOC, you're missing 1 key part of this, they aren't Dems..
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No duh. Their party affiliation is the only difference, which is why their race and gender are red-herrings. You don't expect Republicans to agree with Democrats, do you? If they did, wouldn't they be Democrats? Is it impossible to believe that Republicans dislike AOC because of her crazy ideas? Or do you need race and gender as a crutch?

Remember Trump retweeted 'the only 'good Democrat is a dead Democrat'... And after that remember the silence from other GOP politicians, and the mainstream right. Imagine how vocal Fox and Limbaugh would be if Obama said the 'only good Republican is a dead Republican'..
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That's a hell of a statement from a POTUS, no?[/QUOTE]

No, I didn't remember that, so I went and looked it up, and having done so I assume you mean the video where the guy said that and then immediately explained that he meant that in the political sense? I'm not defending what he said, but don't you think it's dishonest to leave that out? It's tough to criticize the President for lying when you're basically doing it yourself. You should know better.

More importantly, what's that have to do with this little conversation we're having?
 
jmotivator said:
Yes, a flattened curve is intended to maintain infection rate bellow the capacity of the medical system as a whole, as opposed to one giant spike you either have a low grade, protracted spike or a series of mini spikes.

As I said, they wrote that to fool the idiots that don't know what words mean.
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We never brought the numbers down low enough or ordered enough resources to contact trace and reopened anyway. That is the reason for the U shaped curve that completely lost all we gained from our shutdown. It is now worse than we were in April. That's why the chart says we failed to flatten the curve.
 
Fletch said:
Perfect example of a liberal believing what he is spoon fed to believe and not applying an ounce of critical thought of his own. Outside of the major Western powers, we have no idea how many people across the globe have died from this virus. And when you compare our numbers to those western powers, we are doing better than most. So your entire post is a lie that you fell for because it feeds into what you want to believe. Typical liberal.
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How you can say the words "we are doing better" when we have more infection now than in April shows how out of touch you cultists are. No, we are not doing better than anyone. The corona virus it totally out of control here and we are likely to have another 150,000 deaths by the end of the year. Trumpists have become a death cult and there is no limit to how many you will let die in the worship of your dirtbag leader. Only 93 more days of this madness.

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Tlrmln said:
where the guy said that and then immediately explained that he meant that in the political sense?
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Bull...He was covering his ass... He also said this: Funny you left this out...

Griffin also said there were some Democrats in Washington and in statehouses who may have committed "treason," and people guilty of treason face "a firing squad" or "the end of the rope.
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Griffin has a history of comments saying Democratic lawmakers should be hanged or executed.
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This is the guy Trump retweeted.. In this time of off the charts division and hate while there's a pandemic going on, it's was more than irresponsible, it's dangerous as hell. This is what a POTUS believes..

The Con media has pushed this kind of message for decades.. That Dems are communists, traitors and evil.. I heard a million times on the Con media that Obama was a Muslim traitor who was trying to PURPOSELY destroy the US.. PURPOSELY!!

That's what people in the thread are saying, Cons don't think for themselves. Disagreeing with the other side is expected. saying the other side are traitors and deserve to be shot, that's a whole other level..

I guess this little conversation we're having is over..

Have a nice day.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Bull...He was covering his ass... He also said this: Funny you left this out...
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I didn't leave it out. It wasn't in the video Trump retweeted. Are we talking about Trump now, or whatever this other guy said whenever he said it. And honestly, I don't even know why we're talking about Trump in the first place, since it has nothing to do with this thread or my comments in it.

I guess this little conversation we're having is over..

Have a nice day.
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If you want to keep changing the topic, I guess so. Cheers!
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Are you saying Pizzagate was true? That Obama put the Obamaphone program in place to buy votes(hint, he had NOTHING to do with that program).. That Trump's 'team' is going to find Obama's Kenyan birth certificate? That the Clinton's had Seth Rich killed? And as a matter of fact that they are responsible for 30+ killings?

I'm not talking about corruption. I'm talking about over the top, vicious lies that are so far fetched anyone with a brain could see they are lies. But most Cons don't want to be bothered with looking into these lies, they want to turn on Fox and be told Pizzagate is true. and that Obama was giving away cells phones to buy votes..

Google is their friend.. They could find out in 10 seconds the truth about the Obamaphone, but they won't.. To this day many still believe the 100% lie they were told on Fox news.

The Internet shouldn't dumb down anyone, if someone wants to take the time to see if these issues are true or not, it's right at their fingertips. Many Cons don't, because they are lazy and want to be told what to think.
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It's worse than that. The sustained blitz against the media that reports the actual news and facts has done its job. Trump & Co. have convinced a large number of gullible people that these "facts" are fake news. This scares me worse than almost anything else that has happened during this administration. How does one ever convince these people that indeed, facts are facts?

(I'm not saying there isn't negative spin against Trump; there is. But negative spin is NOT the same as "lies," and it is easily remedied by reading another article or two on the same subject by a right leaning paper. As long as they're both CREDIBLE.)
 
jmotivator said:
Trump made no such cuts. Trump proposed the cuts, but no such cuts have happened, in fact the budget has increased annually under President Trump.

Also, there were no cuts to staff, some Obama era staffers resigned.

So you only got everything wrong.
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... Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.


Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.

Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China. ...
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Did Trump Administration Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?
 
justabubba said:
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Did Trump Administration Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?
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Not to mention the unfortunate (or was it on purpose?) recalling of the U.S doctor in charge of monitoring China for infectious diseases in July 2019 along with 1/3 of the CDC staff stationed in China. Trump left us practically blind against any Chinese virus that might emerge there. It's like he knew it was coming and wanted to be sure we were unprepared and in the dark when it did.

Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak - Reuters

Exclusive: U.S. axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreak - Reuters
 
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According to the report, in 2014, the Obama Administration signed a contract with Philips to add 10,000 ventilators to the nation’s stockpile by June 2019. Though Philips delayed the fulfillment until November 2019, had they been held to that deadline, the nation would have had plenty of ventilators for when the coronavirus epidemic started in March 2020.
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A new report from the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Reform found that the Trump Administration repeatedly delayed an Obama-era order from the health-technology company Philips for 10,000 ventilators, wasting half-a-billion dollars for machines that won’t even arrive until September 2022.
 
iguanaman said:
How you can say the words "we are doing better" when we have more infection now than in April shows how out of touch you cultists are. No, we are not doing better than anyone. The corona virus it totally out of control here and we are likely to have another 150,000 deaths by the end of the year. Trumpists have become a death cult and there is no limit to how many you will let die in the worship of your dirtbag leader. Only 93 more days of this madness.

COVID-19 Deaths Could Hit 300,000 by Year's End
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Thats just hyperbolic and stupid. Which only shows that you arent capable of honest discussion. Our death rate from this virus is on par with Europe and our infection rate is rising because we have opened up out economy and vastly increased testing. Here is what you dont get: the virus isnt going anywhere. It will be with us forever and our best defense is to get the virus and build up natural defenses to it. You can hide under your bed for months if you like, but when you decide to finally pop your head out, the virus will be waiting.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
For the last decade or so...YES.
I'll take the hit if you say that the Dems used to be that way.
YES WE WERE, which is WHY we lost so badly in Congress in 1994.

I can only resort to anecdotal stuff but since this is a measure of human laziness and the death of intellectual and political curiosity, anecdotal accounts aren't so terrible.
By my measure, most of the people I know personally who USED to walk around muttering about how they "don't want anything to do with politics"...have LARGELY STOPPED saying that and a good many of those same people are now asking a lot of questions.

If there's one thing the Age of Trump has done, it has awakened a lot of formerly "sleepy" people in the center and center left, the ones who used to be complacent, the ones who seldom if ever bothered to vote.

One of the things Republicans have ALWAYS been VERY good at is organizing the vote so I cannot accuse them of being too lazy and complacent to not bother voting, but when it comes to informing themselves, they have largely drunk the Kool-Aid while the ones who do not have become Never-Trumpers.
It's almost like the divine culling of the wheat from the chaff and it's how I am able to distinguish honest conservatives with some measure of integrity.

And although those honest cons irritate the Hell out of me sometimes, I am first to say that libs need cons as much as cons need libs. Country over party.
Trumpers specifically reject Country Over Party.
They have proven that beyond the shadow of a doubt.
That is why even the Federalist Society is now calling for Trump's immediate impeachment!
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For years I've blamed Reagan for the start of the downfall of middle class people. Told his supporters government was the problem, taxes were bad and Democrats want to tax and spend us into oblivion. Jobs starting going overseas to cheaper labor markets and greed was good.

I'm hoping trump is the final nail in the gop's vampiric way of ruling.
 
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