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Why Is Not Increased Covid 19 Exposure Good News ?

minnie616 said:
Our business is essential as are many self employed businesses.
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Ah, so you are the perfect person to understand the pain that others losing their livelihoods are experiencing.

I made a case to wear masks and protect businesses not to lockdown, I guess you missed that part. Wearing a mask does not destroy the economy
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Wearing a mask also hasn't proven to be an effective protection. Are you saying masks only, no 6' separation, no limiting the number of people in a business at one time? I bet you aren't...

Sweden did not gain herd immunity and the death rate in Sweden was way too high They did not protect their vulnerable.
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You claim they haven't, and yet they are now registering new cases in steady decline and deaths/day in single digits.

You don’t even understand what herd immunity means.

It means enough people have built up immunity and are able to protect those who are most vulnerable from getting the disease.
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When you decide you are going to lecture someone on the meaning of a phrase, maybe look the phrase up. :roll:

Herd Immunity is when a critical mass of a given population becomes immune such that the disease runs out of pathways to spread through the community, like clearing fire breaks in a forest to keep wildfires from spreading.

By the way.

I do not feel bad not going to Florida this winter but the Florida economy is going to take a big hit when snowbirds do not return to their winter homes.
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Well, you haven't shown that you are basing any decisions on clear, informed data.
 
Lursa said:
I see the pot is calling the kettle black...since you didnt source yours as requested.

You just lost the argument and have nowhere to go. Are you denying millions and millions of households in the US have elderly and at-risk people living at home?
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I gave you numbers, Lursa and I asked you for your numbers in return and you can't provide them.

By the way, the other comorbidities you listed clearly aren't that strong of a determiner of outcomes since the death demographics so heavily slant towards age. If Obesity were a strong determiner, for instance, we would see far greater than <1% mortality in the 35 and under demographic since obesity is common in that demographic.
 
jmotivator said:
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When you decide you are going to lecture someone on the meaning of a phrase, maybe look the phrase up. :roll:

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Herd immunity:

What is herd immunity?

When most of a population is immune to an infectious disease, this provides indirect protection— or herd immunity (also called herd protection)— to those who are not immune to the disease.

For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick (and won’t spread the disease any further). In this way, the spread of infectious diseases is kept under control. Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 70% to 90% of a population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity.
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What is Herd Immunity and How Can We Achieve It With COVID-19? - COVID-19 - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
 
minnie616 said:
Malta had 9 deaths total and their numbers of Covid cases are low , less than 900 cases.

Malta Coronavirus: 874 Cases and 9 Deaths - Worldometer

Same with a lot of European countries.
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... are you serious? You can't be serious.

Malta's population is 500k, is in the middle of a sea, and had shut down all incoming travel.

They recently reopened their borders, and their new cases have increased dramatically.
 
minnie616 said:
Herd immunity:
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Which is what I said and not what you said. Herd immunity is not about protecting those most vulnerable, it is about decreasing the number of potential hosts to a point where the R0 of the given infectious disease drops below 1.
 
jmotivator said:
That is absurd. The economy is in shambles BECAUSE of the shut downs.
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Other countries used their shutdowns to get the coronavirus under control. We are infested with covidiots and thus failed to. :doh
 
Eatomus said:
1.) Increased Exposure does not = increased sickness
2.) Increased exposures , as in Florida now ranked #2 in exposures, does not equate to increased deaths , as Florida's #19 per capita death rate proves .
That's how .
Write that down !
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Obviously you have no expertise in epidemiology or statistics, so let me give you the help that you need. We'll start slowly.

The COVID deniers' "only deaths, not cases, count" narrative is falling apart

In case you refuse to click that link, let me supply you with two graphs from its OP.

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What patterns do you notice among the highlighted states?
 
jmotivator said:
Wearing a mask also hasn't proven to be an effective protection. Are you saying masks only, no 6' separation, no limiting the number of people in a business at one time? I bet you aren't...
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I always advocate the 3 Ws during the pandemic.

1. Wash hands.
2. Watch distance ( at least 6 feet recommended)
3. When inside a business wear a mask to help protect others.

Our Governor is limiting the number of persons based on a percentage of the occupancy limit for many businesses during the pandemic.

A very good case was made for wearing masks when two employees at a hair salon ( tested positive for Covid 19 after ) they worked on over 100 customers and none of the customers got Covid 19 apparently because of the mask rule. Both the employees and the customers wore masks.


Missouri Great Clips hairstylists with coronavirus did not infect 140 clients
 
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jmotivator said:
Which is what I said and not what you said. Herd immunity is not about protecting those most vulnerable, it is about decreasing the number of potential hosts to a point where the R0 of the given infectious disease drops below 1.
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No , what you described is not herd immunity it is only immunity from having had the disease.

And it looks like the immunity if a person has and recovers from Covid 19 might not protect that person for more than a couple of couple months to five or 6 months long.

There have cases where people thought the recover even tested negative and then it returned . Like when people recover from a cold only to catch another cold or like a seasonal flu a person can get it more than once and sometimes worse than the time before.

Herd means protecting the herd.... protecting those who have not or can not built up immunity.
 
Phys251 said:
Other countries used their shutdowns to get the coronavirus under control. We are infested with covidiots and thus failed to. :doh
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NY has done basically the same thing
the have required masks since Apr, and their numbers have gone way down
They did make a lot of mistakes in the beginning of this mess but unlike many of the other states who have been having their numbers keep going up NY didn't have anything to go by and had to figure things out
and yes NY is opening up but in very controlled stages and if in any area of the state the numbers start going up they will make that area take steps back and IF needed will shut that area back down again
again most of the states that have been seeing their numbers going up in the last month or so should take a look at just what NY did
Have a nice night
 
jmotivator said:
I gave you numbers, Lursa and I asked you for your numbers in return and you can't provide them.

By the way, the other comorbidities you listed clearly aren't that strong of a determiner of outcomes since the death demographics so heavily slant towards age. If Obesity were a strong determiner, for instance, we would see far greater than <1% mortality in the 35 and under demographic since obesity is common in that demographic.
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Your numbers werent sourced. My 55 million elderly can be, I have sourced it before. And daily potential infections? The comorbidities present significant risk and even those with none are at risk. Also, I didnt list obesity.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Eatomus said:
With Florida currently ranked as #2 in the nation in people exposed to the virus, yet way down the list at #19 in per capita viral deaths why is this not good news ?
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Answering the question in the thread topic line;

If there is no exposure to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, there are no Covid deaths per day.

If there is a steady level of exposure to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, there is a steady level of Covid deaths per day.

If there is an increasing rate of exposure to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, there is an increasing number of Covid deaths per day.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
 
Mycroft said:
Because the Dems and Trump haters don't want it that way.
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It's really because Democrats and others not enthralled by Trump are able to distinguish massive sickness with fewer deaths from less massive sickness with comparatively many deaths and still see both as "not good news".
 
Lursa said:
Your numbers werent sourced. My 55 million elderly can be, I have sourced it before. And daily potential infections? The comorbidities present significant risk and even those with none are at risk. Also, I didnt list obesity.
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Do you actually read what you wrote? I gave you the source of my numbers: The CDC.

You are so flipping egocentric that you think "Your argument is invalid because you didn't give me your source, but I don't need to give you my source because I looked them up myself" is a sane argument. The first half of your argument is a lie, the second half of your argument is illogically self defeating to the point of delusional.
 
Lursa said:
He does tend to reside there. Sources? :roll:

Whatever sources dispute what the mainstream science and media claim...because otherwise they would have to be categorized with 'the masses' and if they didnt choose the outlier views (facts notwithstanding) then they'd have no way to distinguish themselves in life. The CT'ers have no other way to build their self-esteem than to just say 'na huh' to anything that 'the authorities' say.

It makes them feel special, like they are the exceptions. Incels have done the same thing now...creating some kind of group pride in personal failure.

It's sad that they cant/wont build some actual skills or knowledge to distinguish themselves as individuals but there you have it...what could be easier than saying 'na huh' and then inventing stuff to support it? More should try screenwriting IMO.
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I'm probably wasting my time and key strokes, but would examining government manuals on data gathering help?

COVID Case Numbers Far Lower Than Claimed - LewRockwell
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm probably wasting my time and key strokes, but would examining government manuals on data gathering help?

COVID Case Numbers Far Lower Than Claimed - LewRockwell
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LoL :lol: you want us to believe in a Blog written by Jon Rapport who in 2017 was a very strong critic of President Trump?


He starts his blog post with a an attack on Donald Trump. Now this is amusing and ironic, given Rappoport’s connections to Infowars, ... He says, “Warning to Trump: don’t approve GMO, pesticide, FDA horror show. You are incompetent on these vital subjects.”
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minnie616 said:
LoL :lol: you want us to believe in a Blog written by Jon Rapport who in 2017 was a very strong critic of President Trump?
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No, call me crazy, but I want you to think for yourself.
 
Thoreau72 said:
No, call me crazy, but I want you to think for yourself.
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I did not and would not call you crazy.


I think for myself.

But it appears you want to believe Conspiracy Theory’s when it fits your political agenda instead of reading different views and then thinking for yourself.
 
minnie616 said:
I did not and would not call you crazy.


I think for myself.

But it appears you want to believe Conspiracy Theory’s when it fits your political agenda instead of reading different views and then thinking for yourself.
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LOL, if you believe all that propaganda delivered by MSM and Fauci, you do not think for yourself. You follow the crowd, you obey and revere the authorities. You are the majority, no doubt.
 
Thoreau72 said:
LOL, if you believe all that propaganda delivered by MSM and Fauci, you do not think for yourself. You follow the crowd, you obey and revere the authorities. You are the majority, no doubt.
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Nice argumentum ad hominem. :laughat: What credibility do you have to assume that you know more than all the experts combined? Lemme guess, you believe that "you think for yourself"? :lol:
 
Phys251 said:
Nice argumentum ad hominem. :laughat: What credibility do you have to assume that you know more than all the experts combined? Lemme guess, you believe that "you think for yourself"? :lol:
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In this Age of Covid, ad hominem is as common as weeds in a garden, if you haven't noticed. It even manifests as physical assault in the case of the New Religion, masks.

Citizens wearing curse and scold those not wearing, and even go so far as to pour hot coffee or pepper spray on the infidels. Yes, we have a nice mess.
 
Thoreau72 said:
In this Age of Covid, ad hominem is as common as weeds in a garden, if you haven't noticed.
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Translation: "Somebody else did it, so that makes it okay for me to do it." What a childish attempt at justification. :lol:

It even manifests as physical assault in the case of the New Religion, masks.
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And with that bat**** crazy response, you confirm your accelerationism. With your type, the only question is whether you hate mandatory masking in spite of the fact that fewer masks = more deaths, or because of it. It's honestly hard to tell. 150,000 dead Americans and counting means nothing to your ilk. :shrug:
 
jmotivator said:
Do you actually read what you wrote? I gave you the source of my numbers: The CDC.

You are so flipping egocentric that you think "Your argument is invalid because you didn't give me your source, but I don't need to give you my source because I looked them up myself" is a sane argument. The first half of your argument is a lie, the second half of your argument is illogically self defeating to the point of delusional.
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I missed the link, however those numbers do not change a thing I wrote. Unless you are going to dispute that there are 50 million elderly? By 2040, 1 in 5 Americans Will Be Over Age 65

And then millions of others 'at-risk?' Because if you do, then you are just lying to avoid the discussion.

So my comments all stand. Unless you want to deny them in order to quit the discussion.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Thoreau72 said:
I'm probably wasting my time and key strokes, but would examining government manuals on data gathering help?

COVID Case Numbers Far Lower Than Claimed - LewRockwell
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An article that disputes current numbers because they dont like the 'standard' they used to collect data?

Nope.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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