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This is a big problem.

Mongidig said:
People have criticized Trump for not acting more swiftly to stop the virus. Similarly, Fauci did not speak up soon enough and was not specific enough in his criticism of the protests. You can say it Dr Fauci! 'Protests are a bad idea during the pandemic". The fact he didn't say it made those protesting feel as though it's safe. This gave other groups a false sense of security seeing millions of protesters not getting any grief from top health officials. Thousands have died and thousands will die because of this.
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Are States enforcing mask orders?
 
vesper said:
He willfully gave his opinion whenever asked about how to stop the spread of the virus for months in multiple interviews. Would you like me to go digging them up for you?
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Sure.

Please post the opinions Fauci gives about "what the government can do in a forceful way"


vesper said:
Jordan asked him that first upfront are protests spreading the virus. Jordan was asking Fauci for his OPINION!
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The question was a question of fact.
"Dr. Fauci, do protests increase the spread of the virus?"​

That's not a question about opinion.

And Fauci gave a reply to the question.
"Crowding together, particularly when you’re not wearing a mask, contributes to the spread of the virus."​


vesper said:
To many of us we seen a Fauci different in responding to Jordan than he did on many previous interviews denouncing things that could spread the virus. He had a lot of input in making recommendations of what needed to be shut down.
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Then it should be easy for you to show us some of these things where Fauci talks about "what the government can do in a forceful way

vesper said:
But when it came to protests, he could not be forthcoming and say yes, protests are a factor in the spread of COVID.
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Does Fauci have evidence that they spread the virus and Fauci is covering up the evidence?
Or does Fauci lack evidence and makes a statement about how viruses spread?

vesper said:
He didn't have a damn problem claiming church congregations, fitness centers, barbers, hair stylists, restaurants and bars be shut down. He didn't have a problem claiming holiday gatherings like memorial day and 4th of July were part of the reason for the new outbreak. But never did he open his mouth against the protesters not wearing masks, not social distancing occurring day after day night after night and continues to this day.
If you are willing to call out numerous people for the spread for months then ignore the elephant in the room in my book that is a plastic banana.
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Feel free to post you evidence for your claims about what all you say Fauci said.
 
Mongidig said:
What's your point?
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Well, your going on about protestors, most of whom are wearing masks, but there are still lots of others that haven't hence they are a big problem, that is why we had to back the bus up here in Texas. They traced a lot of cases directly to the bars, both young and older were ignoring the mandates, alcohol has a tendency to loosen inhibition's and get people to do stupid things.
 
Casper said:
Well, your going on about protestors, most of whom are wearing masks, but there are still lots of others that haven't hence they are a big problem, that is why we had to back the bus up here in Texas. They traced a lot of cases directly to the bars, both young and older were ignoring the mandates, alcohol has a tendency to loosen inhibition's and get people to do stupid things.
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Gathering in crowds with or without masks is putting this country at risk. Social distancing is a huge part of the equation. Bars should never have been reopened.
 
Mongidig said:
Gathering in crowds with or without masks is putting this country at risk. Social distancing is a huge part of the equation. Bars should never have been reopened.
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Good you agree. So your solution is?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Sure.

Please post the opinions Fauci gives about "what the government can do in a forceful way"



The question was a question of fact.
"Dr. Fauci, do protests increase the spread of the virus?"​

That's not a question about opinion.

And Fauci gave a reply to the question.
"Crowding together, particularly when you’re not wearing a mask, contributes to the spread of the virus."​



Then it should be easy for you to show us some of these things where Fauci talks about "what the government can do in a forceful way


Does Fauci have evidence that they spread the virus and Fauci is covering up the evidence?
Or does Fauci lack evidence and makes a statement about how viruses spread?


Feel free to post you evidence for your claims about what all you say Fauci said.
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This post of yours is bull****. Fauci always spoke in opinions. You know that and yet you continue to carry on this charade.

That fact is Fauci didn't have an opinion to express when it comes to protests.
 
Mongidig said:
The problem is it effects us all by keeping the spread going and costing lives and economic downturn. The first amendment is stupid when it comes to black swan events.
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Nature charges everyone rent to be on her planet, and she only accepts blood as payment.
 
Mongidig said:
Gathering in crowds with or without masks is putting this country at risk. Social distancing is a huge part of the equation. Bars should never have been reopened.
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If you were actually concerned about saving lives then you would want those bars closed forever. The fact that you're even entertaining re-opening bars at some future point proves that saving lives is not your goal.
 
vesper said:
So the right to attend worship Fauci did weigh in on not attending houses of worship at this time. But protesting/rioting? He was weak.

Look if you are going to stand up for All First Amendment rights then you must be willing to stand up for all. If not you become a jive time nickel dime plastic banana.
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Fauci was very clear about large crowds, but just the same, protests are outside, church is almost always inside. Transmission rates for airborne diseases are quite literally an order of magnitude higher indoors than outdoors. In fact, out of the millions of confirmed COVID cases, only a handful can be traced to someone contracting it outside. It is worth pointing out that in the entire history of tuberculosis, there is not a single confirmed case of anyone contracting it outdoors. To contract an airborne disease outdoors, you have to be packed in very close together.

This is why you see all these construction job sites that never shut down, yet did not lead to spikes in cases associated with them, its because almost all of those carpenters, guys pouring concrete and so on, are typically working outside.
 
vesper said:
This post of yours is bull****. Fauci always spoke in opinions. You know that and yet you continue to carry on this charade.
That fact is Fauci didn't have an opinion to express when it comes to protests.
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Is this your usual reaction to being asked to provide evidence of your assertions?

I know there's another poster whose go to is to start calling people liars when they runs out of argument.

Clearly, Fauci did have an answer when it comes to protests.
I posted Fauci's answer twice in response to your posts.
Idk how to make it any more available to you, thirsty horse.
 
Mongidig said:
Do you really think they maintained social distancing throughout the protests? Walking in, walking to their cars etc.

What percentage of these "get togethers" look like this? It looks a bit crowded in the back round. What happens when the sun goes down? "Protests" turn into riots don't they?

Stay at home and stop the spread.
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Most protests are on streets where distance is not possible, this protest was done to trick people into thinking this is how protests are, this is snowflake central, this is fake news.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Is this your usual reaction to being asked to provide evidence of your assertions?

I know there's another poster whose go to is to start calling people liars when they runs out of argument.

Clearly, Fauci did have an answer when it comes to protests.
I posted Fauci's answer twice in response to your posts.
Idk how to make it any more available to you, thirsty horse.
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Yeah he had an answer but when it came to protesters he was not willing to target them like he had with others he found to be spreading the virus. That was obvious during the hearing in the video I provided you.

Anyone with half a brain understands that the protests that have continued for over 60 days night after night are a big factor in the spread of the virus. But who is suffering over it? Small businesses trying to reopen. Kids returning back to school. People losing everything because of shutdowns.

If churches can't reopen then why are protests are allowed to continue when they are spreading the virus. People see it for themselves and they are fed up with the double standards. Jim Jordan highlighted all of it.

You don't like it? Oh well, the people see it for what it is. Don't mess with the First Amendment unless you are going to do it equally in the name of a pandemic.
 
vesper said:
Yeah he had an answer but when it came to protesters he was not willing to target them like he had with others he found to be spreading the virus.
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Have you found those examples of Fauci "targeting" people

Or of Fauci giving opinions on "what the government can do in a forceful way"?

vesper said:
That was obvious during the hearing in the video I provided you.
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The it should be easy for you to quote the words which make it obvious.

vesper said:
Anyone with half a brain understands that the protests that have continued for over 60 days night after night are a big factor in the spread of the virus.
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Iirc, I heard something from Fauci to the effect that crowds can spread contagion.
Go figure.


vesper said:
If churches can't reopen then why are protests are allowed to continue when they are spreading the virus.
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You should probably ask the local officials who made those rules instead of Fauci

Fauci lack the authority to do what the mayors and governor's have donw.

Why are you pretending that Fauci closed churches when mayors and governors closed churches?
 
trixare4kids said:
Oh wait, you mean the people who think the president's kids should be off limits, aren't the angry, bigoted, triggered ones?
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When the children are full grown adults that voluntarily get involved in the activities of government, they aren't off limit. As far as I am concern, that makes Baron offlimits,and Tiffany should be, because even though she's an adult, she has not involved herself in the corruption of the Trump administration. Ivanka, Eric and Don Jr are all adults, and involved in the nepotism
 
Mongidig said:
Do you really think they maintained social distancing throughout the protests? Walking in, walking to their cars etc.

What percentage of these "get togethers" look like this? It looks a bit crowded in the back round. What happens when the sun goes down? "Protests" turn into riots don't they?
Stay at home and stop the spread.
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If you noticed, they are wearing masks.

It is outdoors also. The infection rate indoors is 19 times greater than outdoors Study shows patients were 19 times more likely to catch coronavirus indoors vs outdoors

Outdoors plus masks reduces the risk verses indoor, butt to butt and no masks (such as many of Trumps rallies )
 
Mongidig said:
People get on Trump for not taking the pandemic seriously. Why haven't these same people taken the threat of virus spread from protests more seriously?
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They have. You will find concern being voiced from many people who are not fawning over Trump.


New York Gov. Cuomo says George Floyd protests were '''counterproductive,''' could exacerbate coronavirus outbreak

Dr. Fauci: Protests are '''a perfect set-up''' for spreading COVID-19 - Business Insider

It seems to me that people point this out to you over and over, yet you fail to acknowledge this. Why?
 
Mongidig said:
People get on Trump for not taking the pandemic seriously. Why haven't these same people taken the threat of virus spread from protests more seriously?
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They have. You will find concern being voiced from many people who are not fawning over Trump.


New York Gov. Cuomo says George Floyd protests were '''counterproductive,''' could exacerbate coronavirus outbreak

Dr. Fauci: Protests are '''a perfect set-up''' for spreading COVID-19 - Business Insider

It seems to me that people point this out to you over and over, yet you fail to acknowledge this. Why?


What you don't seem to understand is that yes, people who are protesting know the risks, but the issue is important enough to take that risk.

If they weren't taking that risk seriously, would you have seen that protest where they were all wearing masks, and in a 6 foot away formation? No, you would not.
 
Why people at this time wouldn't want to work with Dr. Fauci instead of against him is beyond me?
 
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