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Why Are leftist Not concern with the Huge Calif Virus problem?

You exp[ect him to be clairvoyant now too?


Look, we all know your savior Obama knew everything there was to know and got a Nobel peace prize for being black. But Trump is a human.

The jury is still on that. His aunt has called him sub-human and she knows him better than us. I am looking forward to him not being President though. Only 92 days left of this madness.
 
Once again, Trump was not warned of the severity of this. As soon as he found out, he closed down China to the angry admonitions of the left to NOT close travel down. Do you not remember this?

Funny but the leaders of the other countries I mentioned had the same info as Trump and were able to stop the spread of the virus far sooner and earlier than we did. I'm pretty sure that makes your excuse for his poor performance moot. It does not make sense does it? He did not "close down" anything either. Covid 19 is not just spread by the Chinese. How could he have not known that?
 
Thank you for that. I spent some time trying to pin down just what Sweden was doing (see comment immediately above) and there's no magic to it. In short, the government and health system is using basic epidemiologic control procedures and doing it properly in stark contrast to what we have in the U.S. I'd be happy to receive your opinion of my comment.

You are absolutely right in that we haven’t had any ”denying ” the epidemic and we didn’t do any regular close-down as other European countries did and we where also hit the hardest in Scandinavia. But We did already have a common spread in our country when the other Scandinavian countries locked their countries down. There are also several European countries that where hit as hard as we even though they had lock-downs.

We did do contact tracing in the very beginning (that is how the Italy branch was stopped)
but as we realized that the virus was already spread in the population, we stopped. We have started again now as the figures have gone down. We didn’t do any wide testing until end of May. This was due to several factors: The tests available before then was only testing if you had Corona at that very moment of testing and they where not that reliable. The argument where that it would only communicate a false sense of security since you could walk out from such a test and get infected the second after taking it.

Instead of locking down completely our Government agencies went out with recommendations, main ones being:

• All business travelers coming back where to be set in quarantine at home for 2 weeks
• Everyone that could ,should be working from home
• Restaurants should put in safety distance between tables and parties. No bar seating.
• Stores should make sure that no crowding was present.
• No social events or entertainments with more than 50 people.
• No visiting for elderly-homes.
• Everyone with slightest symptom should stay home from work and isolate themselves from all interaction.


I believe that there also is a language misunderstanding: When our Government agency's say: ”We recommend” It is not a recommendation that you can follow if you like, it is an order: If you go against a government recommendation you can get prosecuted. It has happened to 2 people who went to work even though they where (knowingly) infected by Corona and several restaurants has been closed because they didn't follow the recommendations.

They also communicated advice to the populations:

• People over 70 should isolate themselves and not have close interactions with others
• People should keep distance between each others in public communications

and so on.

The goal was to make sure that the healthcare system didn’t brake down as it had done in Italy and Spain and to keep the risk groups safe. We managed to do the first but failed to do the second, here is why:

In the very beginning there was a shortage of mouth guards and gloves for the healthcare industry . (France even stole an earlier ordered big shipment from a swedish company that had there production in France, and used it for themselves) This made the governments to issue a big recommendation that the intensive care should have the equipment available first and foremost and left the elderly care to fend for themselves. The caretakers where therefore in many cases not protected as they walked from person to person providing care. So if one caretaker or one resident was contaminated soon everyone was. As I told you in my earlier post this is where most of the deaths happened. Agencies also, in the beginning, missed to put out their information in several languages and therefore many people living in communities with mostly immigrants where hit harder than the rest of the population.

As I told you in the earlier post the key is our trust in Government agencies. 80% of the population has followed the recommendations and the advice's to the teeth. Among the 20% that didn’t 18 % has been people in “non risk” groups (Mostly healthy people under 40 that feels that they had no risk of dying if they where hit) and I can assure you that even if these people went out jostling and hugging each other they did follow the advice's in not being close to their old relatives and the 2% of total deniers has not been enough in numbers to keep the virus to spread.


Since the figures has gone down, freeing resources from healthcare intensive-care and we have a better understanding of the virus than we did in February and also better tests, we now test Healthcare personal and elderly to a big extend. In Stockholm we also have made available testings for if you already been infected in the general population. But this is now, not when the epidemic was raging (as it is in US at the moment)
 
Okay; walking away from the subject of Corona:

You can’t listen to Donald Trump when it comes to Sweden, he seems to be fully occupied by us(10 million people way up in the north). I believe that it is just a matter of him liking the word Sweden and the way it roll in his mouth. And maybe he is impressed by himself for knowing that there is a country called Sweden, after all he thought that our neighboring country Finland was a part of Russia.

I still remember the first time he referred to us:: ”What happened in Sweden yesterday”. Thing was; nothing had happened that day so we where all puzzled. Journalists looked everywhere to try and figure out ”what happened in Sweden” with no result. It had been a remarkable calm day;-)

He is what he is…but he has given us (swedes)some good laughs over the years so it has to count for something. Almost every American of today knows about our country, that was not the case 4 years ago, so maybe we can look at him as an ambassador for Sweden. As someone said. All advertise is good advertise.
 
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But don't forget, Florida is a Purple state, NOT a RED state

er uh Luther, if its a purple state, why are you afraid to criticize them for screwing up so badly? And oddly you're trying to focus on California that never politicized Covid19 like the red and "purple" states.
 
We don't know anything about China other than many Americans idolize their totalitarianism. For all we know a millions could have died.

mmmm, thats odd, first you pretended to not see the evidence I posted now you pretend you dont have to believe the evidence I posted . Oh and for good measure, you throw in a tired and false (but obedient) conservative narrative. So you are clearly not here to ever have an honest and intelligent discussion of the facts.
 
I enjoy seeing people who are really bad at math try making an argument that involves a fundamental understanding of math. The OP in this thread is a perfect example of that.
 
. None of this with each party thinking the other is out to destroy America and only their party can save her. None of this placing the other party as this nation's number one enemy. .

Pero, this is a debate forum. Your continued posting of the false "both sides" narrative and refusal to even discuss it is getting tedious. "destroy America" is a conservative narrative. Democrats like myself just point out the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans. For instance, democrats happily passed stimulus when the country needed it to recover the from the Great Bush Recession and democrats happily worked with republicans to pass it now. Oddly, 12 years ago, republicans were only concerned about deficits. So now even you have to admit that republicans let more Americans suffer and suffer longer for their political gain. If you pull your head out of your Norman Rockwell delusions, even you'd you see that.
 
The jury is still on that. His aunt has called him sub-human and she knows him better than us. I am looking forward to him not being President though. Only 92 days left of this madness.

IF Biden wins, we will see the greatest depression to ever hit any country. He is only there because the rest of your candidates were even worse.
 
Funny but the leaders of the other countries I mentioned had the same info as Trump and were able to stop the spread of the virus far sooner and earlier than we did. I'm pretty sure that makes your excuse for his poor performance moot. It does not make sense does it? He did not "close down" anything either. Covid 19 is not just spread by the Chinese. How could he have not known that?

You don't know what you;re talking about. This virus primarily hiy NYC and New Jersey, twoheanily populated states with a high Asia population. Take them out and America has fared very well.
 
Lock downs did work and the proof they did are the spikes in deaths everywhere that opened up to0 early, too much and too fast, if they ever really had any serious lockdown to begin with (e.g. FL). As predicted once lockdowns went away it would be impossible to re-impose them and that's what's happening in states the were doing well (e.g., CA) are now not doing so well--although still nowhere near as badly as TX, AL, MS, GA, FL, TN, IA, etc. etc.

What is the total death count in TX, AL, MS, GA, FL combined to the death count in NY? Maybe it was simply incompetence of Cuomo.
 
California opened up too soon. We are talking about New York here

When you have 32K, I can’t say lockdowns in NY were a success.
 
Your point is that people did not really lockdown? It is really tough to do when a million people live on you block.

The reality is that New Yorkers, along with the rest of the country, aren’t truly staying inside all day, safe from exposure to COVID-19, the disease the coronavirus causes.

Thank you for proving my point. Lockdowns don’t work.
 
Okay; walking away from the subject of Corona:

You can’t listen to Donald Trump when it comes to Sweden, he seems to be fully occupied by us(10 million people way up in the north). I believe that it is just a matter of him liking the word Sweden and the way it roll in his mouth. And maybe he is impressed by himself for knowing that there is a country called Sweden, after all he thought that our neighboring country Finland was a part of Russia.

I still remember the first time he referred to us:: ”What happened in Sweden yesterday”. Thing was; nothing had happened that day so we where all puzzled. Journalists looked everywhere to try and figure out ”what happened in Sweden” with no result. It had been a remarkable calm day;-)

He is what he is…but he has given us (swedes)some good laughs over the years so it has to count for something. Almost every American of today knows about our country, that was not the case 4 years ago, so maybe we can look at him as an ambassador for Sweden. As someone said. All advertise is good advertise.

You are in contrast to another poster here going by the name of Sweden and since you live there, I won't argue with what it is you say Sweden has done and is doing. There is a huge difference between Sweden or for that matter, all of the other countries and the United States. As you say, Sweden is a county of just 10 million people. They screwed up, just like New York, on nursing homes and the elderly. It was a tactical error. Florida concentrated on nursing homes and had relatively few deaths compared to NYC. New York has had 1,685 deaths per million residents. It's neighbor, New Jersey has had 1792, Close to them is Massachusetts at 1,253 DPM.

If you were to take out those states who were very badly mismanaged by their liberal governors, you would have a far different story in America, With regard to NYC, our governor there and Mayor allowed and encouraged the Chinese New Years parade to take place in the middle of the "pandemic' and the mayor there was doing photo ops in mid March begging people to keep riding subways (because NYC was losing millions a day in fares. All you have to do is look at the population density of the areas hardest hit and you will find that the state of New York has the highest density of all, by far. Here is a link:

List of United States cities by population density - Wikipedia

YOUR country has just 64 people per square mile compared to NYC at over 10,000 and all the surrounding cities having 15 to 20,000 people per square mile.
South Dakota has just 12 people per square mile and a death rate of 153 people per million residents compared to Sweden at a death rate of 568 per million.

I hate to throw out numbers because it makes some people's heads swim but as you can see South Dakota is sparsely populated as is your country and the great Governor there did NOT require masks or a shut down and told her people she trusted them to do what was right. She is, by the way, a REPUBLICAN. I saw pictures of crowds in Sweden months ago at parks and restar=urants and it was like normal. No masks, no distancing. Your death rate has plummeted and will most likely not go up because I believe Sweden has gained immunity by allowing their people to have been exposed to it.

Our president here isn't a monarch. He cannot make the states do anything, Each state is individual and can stay closed or stay open. NO deaths were caused by Trump because of lack of testing or hospital beds Besides which, that is not his job. We are not a tiny country. One CITY here has more residents than your entire country.
 
What is the total death count in TX, AL, MS, GA, FL combined to the death count in NY? Maybe it was simply incompetence of Cuomo.

The reason the love Fauci is because he said New York handled COVID well. Can you imagine? The state with the very worst deaths per million and they handled it well??

We live in bizzarro world where up is down and black is white. South Dakota had no lock down and their residents were told by the illustrious governor to do what is right and has just TWELVE deaths per million compared to New York at over 10,000 but Fauci says New York did a great job!!!

The above is the kind of crap that people are being fed by MSM and it's little wonder why we have an indoctrinated nation.
 
Pero, this is a debate forum. Your continued posting of the false "both sides" narrative and refusal to even discuss it is getting tedious. "destroy America" is a conservative narrative. Democrats like myself just point out the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans. For instance, democrats happily passed stimulus when the country needed it to recover the from the Great Bush Recession and democrats happily worked with republicans to pass it now. Oddly, 12 years ago, republicans were only concerned about deficits. So now even you have to admit that republicans let more Americans suffer and suffer longer for their political gain. If you pull your head out of your Norman Rockwell delusions, even you'd you see that.

You're proving my point Vern, you fully believe the GOP is out to destroy America while only Democrats can save her. Then on the other side of the aisle, the Republicans believe the Democrats are out to destroy America and only the GOP can save her. Polarization and mega, ultra, super partisanship at work. Thanks for proving my point. Political party followers have become mindless robots full of propaganda belief spouted by both parties leaders.

No wonder both parties are shrinking and independents are growing fast who finally are able to think for themselves without seeing the world through deep blue or red colored glasses. Through clearer glasses anyway.
 
You're proving my point Vern, you fully believe the GOP is out to destroy America while only Democrats can save her. Then on the other side of the aisle, the Republicans believe the Democrats are out to destroy America and only the GOP can save her. Polarization and mega, ultra, super partisanship at work. Thanks for proving my point. Political party followers have become mindless robots full of propaganda belief spouted by both parties leaders.

No wonder both parties are shrinking and independents are growing fast who finally are able to think for themselves without seeing the world through deep blue or red colored glasses. Through clearer glasses anyway.

Sorry pero, maybe I typed too fast. I clearly stated "destroy America" is a conservative narrative. I then clearly stated "Democrats like myself just point out the flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans". One example was that they happily let more Americans suffer and suffer longer for their political gain.
The reason you can not properly process what I wrote is because you need an excuse to not discuss that democrats happily working with republicans to pass stimulus for the covid crisis proves you wrong. Please address that when you reply.
 
The reason the love Fauci is because he said New York handled COVID well. Can you imagine? The state with the very worst deaths per million and they handled it well??

We live in bizzarro world where up is down and black is white. South Dakota had no lock down and their residents were told by the illustrious governor to do what is right and has just TWELVE deaths per million compared to New York at over 10,000 but Fauci says New York did a great job!!!

The above is the kind of crap that people are being fed by MSM and it's little wonder why we have an indoctrinated nation.

you may want to review your math on that
 
I'm wondering if the government is going to instigate CARES type legislation and pass out the worthless money every flu season?

Is that what government is supposed to do? No Medicare For All, but stimulus checks every time the flu season rolls around?
 
IF Biden wins, we will see the greatest depression to ever hit any country. He is only there because the rest of your candidates were even worse.

We are already in a deep recession under Trump. Biden has experience with being handed a recession by a Republican President. He will get us out of this one too.
 
You're proving my point Vern, you fully believe the GOP is out to destroy America while only Democrats can save her. Then on the other side of the aisle, the Republicans believe the Democrats are out to destroy America and only the GOP can save her. Polarization and mega, ultra, super partisanship at work. Thanks for proving my point. Political party followers have become mindless robots full of propaganda belief spouted by both parties leaders.

No wonder both parties are shrinking and independents are growing fast who finally are able to think for themselves without seeing the world through deep blue or red colored glasses. Through clearer glasses anyway.

So it is your contention that Trump is just another GOP President and this is just a increase in partisanship? When was the last time that so many life long GOP pundits mounted a campaign for the Democratic candidate? Never in my experience. Even though we saw the beginnings of increased partisanship under Obama, Trump has stoked the division that is breaking this country apart and made "the loyal opposition" a thing of the past.
 
When you have 32K, I can’t say lockdowns in NY were a success.

The spread in NY compared to California, Texas, and Florida is flattened. I say that is a success. How do you measure success
 
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