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Humans are just selfish animals bent on their own survival

Paradoxical said:
It's MIRROR time It is YOU who demand the real workers lose everything so YOU can live.
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Here comes the defensiveness from the person with accelerationist views who not only supports but demands literal human sacrifice.

Will this "phony" virus be forgotten in August? :lol:
 
Paradoxical said:
See Sweden. They did it right. No 6 trillion on debt.
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No, and none of the population density issues we have here or in other parts of Europe. You disease mitigation strategy is going to differ if you're a nation of sparsely populated people. So you seem to be advocating for a country whose policy has a higher death per capita figure than the US. Why would you want more people to die? Consider that the US deaths per capita are with prevention protocols in place. Some insights on why Sweden's approach would be problematic here.

No people committing suicide because snowflakes made them shut down. America is filled with entitlement mined babies. We are in the ME generation. The pioneers and strong men replaced by sissified males The testosterone level among males has dropped bigly in the past 2 decades.
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It's a nation that prides itself in individualism. As fo the "snowflakes" comment, it's odd coming from someone who keeps having melt downs across the forum.

Feminism and liberalism is the cause.
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You may want to look further back than that. The idea of preserving life isn't a new one:

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness.
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I suppose the founding fathers could be considered "sissified males" since they wore wigs and frilly shirts and thought preserving life was a good idea too.
 
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Paradoxical said:
While awaiting technology to save their own hides, they will hide and make others hide and ruin every one else financially. Humans really havre no heart or soul. They use others in the press and are like leaches killing their host which in this case is the worker bees just so they can live. They will hang on until the host (business owners and private sector) that they are sucking the life from, finally dies. Ruthless humans are we.
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Why dont you get MORE specific. It is LIBS, who want to ruin the economy by saving their own hides. It is cities, that are RUINING IT FOR THE RURAL folk. It is the selfish cities. Run by selfish DEmocrats, that are ruining everything. For the right wingers, young and old, SAY, till it is true, that they are willing to give their lives for others. When in reality, they wanted to get their friggin hair done.
 
Phys251 said:
Here comes the defensiveness from the person with accelerationist views who not only supports but demands literal human sacrifice.

Will this "phony" virus be forgotten in August? :lol:
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I'm surprised that after all that's gone on, we still have people who think everything would have been just fine if we ignored the spread of the disease; that's some alternate reality stuff right there. Of course there's no doubt the economic impact is dire and many are impacted, but I can't imagine in what scenario the disease wouldn't have adversely impacted an economy whose many businesses require close contact between people. You'd have to ask if people would still be going out if they start hearing about hospitals not being able to treat people, or more and more of their friends are getting sick.

The problem with that approach is by the time it reaches that level of awareness, it's already to late to do much of anything except watch the numbers go up. My small business is in life support due to this disease, but I had no delusion things were going to go on as normal even as far back as February. We were already seeing a decline in business with many customers specifically stating they were concerned about the disease. Our customer base is mainly South Koreans and other Asians, so they were in tune to what could potentially happen. It isn't easy trying to save a business and at the same time wanting to prevent people from getting sick from being in your facility. The hardest part has been seeing the growth my wife and I have seen wiped out, but whinging is a waste of energy, so we're focused on keeping the lights on an developing new ways to engage our customers; this way we'll be able to grow once some kind of normalcy returns.
 
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Back when folks thought God would punish folks, unless there were folks going into the volcano, those right wingers would tell those reluctant to jump in the volcano they are selfish, and petty, for remaining unmolten.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I'm surprised that after all that's gone on, we still have people who think everything would have been just fine if we ignored the spread of the disease; that's some alternate reality stuff right there. Of course there's no doubt the economic impact is dire and many are impacted, but I can't imagine in what scenario the disease wouldn't have adversely impacted an economy whose many businesses require close contact between people. You'd have to ask if people would still be going out if they start hearing about hospitals not being able to treat people, or more and more of their friends are getting sick.

The problem with that approach is by the time it reaches that level of awareness, it's already to late to do much of anything except watch the numbers go up. My small business is in life support due to this disease, but I had no delusion things were going to go on as normal even as far back as February. We were already seeing a decline in business with many customers specifically stating they were concerned about the disease. Our customer base is mainly South Koreans and other Asians, so they were in tune to what could potentially happen. It isn't easy trying to save a business and at the same time wanting to prevent people from getting sick from being in your business. The hardest part has been seeing the growth my wife and I have seen wiped out, but whinging is a waste of energy, so we're focused on keeping the lights on an developing new ways to engage our customers; this way we'll be able to grow once some kind of normalcy returns.
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You get it. And I'm sorry that your business is going through such a hard time.

If this country weren't infested with so many maskholes, we'd be well on our way to recovery now. But because of them, and because of the complete lack of leadership from Rethuglican governors who insist on the "right" to a peeing section of the swimming pool, there is no end in sight for us. :(
 
ElChupacabra said:
No, and none of the population density issues we have here or in other parts of Europe. You disease mitigation strategy is going to differ if you're a nation of sparsely populated people. So you seem to be advocating for a country whose policy has a higher death per capita figure than the US. Why would you want more people to die? Consider that the US deaths per capita are with prevention protocols in place. Some insights on why Sweden's approach would be problematic here.



It's a nation that prides itself in individualism. As fo the "snowflakes" comment, it's odd coming from someone who keeps having melt downs across the forum.



You may want to look further back than that. The idea of preserving life isn't a new one:



I suppose the founding fathers could be considered "sissified males" since they wore wigs and frilly shirts and thought preserving life was a good idea too.
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The founding fathers never envisioned a time when the public sector would be massive and be paid for NOT working and that segment insisting the PRIVATE sector lose everything so that they may live.

Let the teachers and other gubment workers be told they are NOT getting paid and see how fast they are to get their ass back to work. That preamble was when government had limited power Today, tin horn mayors can tell people when to crap.
 
Paradoxical said:
The founding fathers never envisioned a time when the public sector would be massive and be paid for NOT working and that segment insisting the PRIVATE sector lose everything so that they may live.

Let the teachers and other gubment workers be told they are NOT getting paid and see how fast they are to get their ass back to work. That preamble was when government had limited power Today, tin horn mayors can tell people when to crap.
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Paradoxical said:
The founding fathers never envisioned a time when the public sector would be massive and be paid for NOT working and that segment insisting the PRIVATE sector lose everything so that they may live.

Let the teachers and other gubment workers be told they are NOT getting paid and see how fast they are to get their ass back to work. That preamble was when government had limited power Today, tin horn mayors can tell people when to crap.
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So you are saying, the constitution is only appplicable to sparsely populated land with more than enough resources to waste?
 
Paradoxical said:
As I have demonstrated in my postings it is your crowd who wants to live at all costs, even if it leads to the demise of the REAL people who support the public worker sector. Some day you will all realize what makes America run. It is not the millions upon millions of public sector workers and those who steal from the rest of us by being on welfare. Without the small business owners who are now dropping like flies because of an unwarranted shut down, the public worker sector could not and would not, exist. Not a one post from any of you talking about the suicides, the lost businesses. Nope. It is all "ME ME ME. I want to live and if a business goes under, so what".

Your side that has had the survival instinct kick in, where you would destroy other humans so you may live, is what we are witnessing today. You don't care. The private sector is being decimated and ruined and the public worker sector smirks. This is only possible because YOU have robbed future generations so you may live. Your children and grand children will suffer for decades to come because of this disastrous shut down. Your lackey press helps all of you do this by ignoring or slanting stories about places like Sweden and South Dakota, who had their rough patches and now are seeing almost no deaths whereas the areas that did shut down are seeing a re occurrence. Logic alone tells a third grader that a shut down was and is not needed and a few more would have died but the cure was worse than the problem.
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Do you see the irony in this post?
 
Phys251 said:
You get it. And I'm sorry that your business is going through such a hard time.

If this country weren't infested with so many maskholes, we'd be well on our way to recovery now. But because of them, and because of the complete lack of leadership from Rethuglican governors who insist on the "right" to a peeing section of the swimming pool, there is no end in sight for us. :(
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Thanks. We're doing what we can and are blessed with a loyal customer base which is helping keep the lights on as it were. Our business is in the fitness industry, so it's a bit tougher to find solutions that work when the benefit of group fitness is practicing with others. While I feel terrible for the other parts of the country, I'm encouraged by the low numbers we're seeing in NJ and the rest of our neighboring states. We have seen some increases in NJ in the shore counties which I expected due to the start of summer, but it's been relatively low compared to what it was a few months back. The good thing is we've reopened and are following all of the state guidelines, so fingers crossed it stays that way. The phone is ringing again with far more frequency, which makes me so happy for my wife; she's the face of the business while I run KPIs and handle all of the behind the scenes stuff (she calls it "the boring stuff").
 
Paradoxical said:
The founding fathers never envisioned a time when the public sector would be massive and be paid for NOT working and that segment insisting the PRIVATE sector lose everything so that they may live.
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There's lots of things the founding fathers didn't envision because they lived in the 1700s. What they did have is foresight and knowing that things would change and there should be the ability to amend the Constitution accordingly. I'm trying to assess how you come to the conclusion that the private sector wouldn't have been adversely impacted had we done nothing. The company I work for (a large corporation) went into work from home mode on March 16th; this was above what NY required once they went into more aggressive measures. Many professionals I know have been working from home, with only a few that have gone back to the office on rotating schedules. The message from our CEO is that we can expect the majority of the company to work from home through the end of the year. The people who are getting impacted the hardest are small business owners, but again, there was no scenario where this was not going to happen.



Let the teachers and other gubment workers be told they are NOT getting paid and see how fast they are to get their ass back to work. That preamble was when government had limited power Today, tin horn mayors can tell people when to crap.
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Teachers are working; virtual learning doesn't happen by itself. Instead of whinging, we could be finding ways of getting them the resources they need to make distance learning possible in low income areas. Federal employees are working from home as well. As for mayors, they're doing what they need to in order to prevent the disease from spreading to the point it cannot be managed medically; it's not only COVID 19 cases that have to be mitigated in emergency rooms.
 
Phys251 said:
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I'll accept that as you being one who hasn't lost your restaurant or other business you spent 20 years to build. Shutdown doesn't affect you one bit, does it?
 
ElChupacabra said:
There's lots of things the founding fathers didn't envision because they lived in the 1700s. What they did have is foresight and knowing that things would change and there should be the ability to amend the Constitution accordingly. I'm trying to assess how you come to the conclusion that the private sector wouldn't have been adversely impacted had we done nothing. The company I work for (a large corporation) went into work from home mode on March 16th; this was above what NY required once they went into more aggressive measures. Many professionals I know have been working from home, with only a few that have gone back to the office on rotating schedules. The message from our CEO is that we can expect the majority of the company to work from home through the end of the year. The people who are getting impacted the hardest are small business owners, but again, there was no scenario where this was not going to happen.





Teachers are working; virtual learning doesn't happen by itself. Instead of whinging, we could be finding ways of getting them the resources they need to make distance learning possible in low income areas. Federal employees are working from home as well. As for mayors, they're doing what they need to in order to prevent the disease from spreading to the point it cannot be managed medically; it's not only COVID 19 cases that have to be mitigated in emergency rooms.
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Two decades ago, I convinced the manager that our people could work from home just as well as from the office and that monitoring of scofflaws could be done by simply checking the production and value of their work product. Within 6 months, everyone worked from home and had their setup paid for and were monitored through frequent call ins from either a pay phone or home phone. That wound up saving the company hundreds of thousands of dollars. Meetings were held to catch up on things. Teachers are a different story because children need to single with other kids and socialize. Without that, we are raising humans that are unable to cope with problems. Additionally, Americans now depend on the schools for baby sitting.

I bet that private schools are open for business. This is one more reason we need to get away from our socialistic school system.

Not every company has the luxury of people working from home and those that don't have to **** down and ruin the economy for decades. Nary a poster here has expressed ANY concern whatsoever about that proving this is all about their wants and needs.
 
Paradoxical said:
Two decades ago, I convinced the manager that our people could work from home just as well as from the office and that monitoring of scofflaws could be done by simply checking the production and value of their work product. Within 6 months, everyone worked from home and had their setup paid for and were monitored through frequent call ins from either a pay phone or home phone. That wound up saving the company hundreds of thousands of dollars. Meetings were held to catch up on things. Teachers are a different story because children need to single with other kids and socialize. Without that, we are raising humans that are unable to cope with problems. Additionally, Americans now depend on the schools for baby sitting.
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Sure, I'm not arguing that distance learning is the same as in school learning. It's why reducing spread is critical in being able to resume certain activities; schools being one of them. If schools open as normal and there's a surge again, then we're back to square one. Kids need some kind of stability, and that kind of disruption isn't good either. Also, the sooner we can mitigate the spread, the sooner we get out of it; no one is advocating this go on forever.

I bet that private schools are open for business. This is one more reason we need to get away from our socialistic school system.
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Not necessarily. My daughter goes to private school and based on their recent communication, they're leaning for a hybrid model. They recently sent a survey as well and other families I know have related similar stories. We'll see how this turns out come September; I just want things to be done intelligently rather than trying to force a result that has a higher percentage of backfiring.

Not every company has the luxury of people working from home and those that don't have to **** down and ruin the economy for decades. Nary a poster here has expressed ANY concern whatsoever about that proving this is all about their wants and needs.
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Nope, not everyone does. The pandemic was going to do this with or without mandated shut downs. The realities the pandemic would have brought about a sharp decline in consumption due to people curbing activities; this has a domino effect which leads to closures and job losses. There isn't a day that goes by where I don't think about the impact to large corporations as well; the lower profit margins typically leads to reduction in their workforces as well.

The point you seem to miss is that those impacted economically would have been spared otherwise. The risk in your scenario is a much bigger impact in terms of hospitalizations and deaths, which of course, will have a domino effect. Nothing that's been done has been perfect or flawless, but trying to curb it early makes much more sense than letting the pandemic run free and have a disaster nonetheless.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Sure, I'm not arguing that distance learning is the same as in school learning. It's why reducing spread is critical in being able to resume certain activities; schools being one of them. If schools open as normal and there's a surge again, then we're back to square one. Kids need some kind of stability, and that kind of disruption isn't good either. Also, the sooner we can mitigate the spread, the sooner we get out of it; no one is advocating this go on forever.



Not necessarily. My daughter goes to private school and based on their recent communication, they're leaning for a hybrid model. They recently sent a survey as well and other families I know have related similar stories. We'll see how this turns out come September; I just want things to be done intelligently rather than trying to force a result that has a higher percentage of backfiring.



Nope, not everyone does. The pandemic was going to do this with or without mandated shut downs. The realities the pandemic would have brought about a sharp decline in consumption due to people curbing activities; this has a domino effect which leads to closures and job losses. There isn't a day that goes by where I don't think about the impact to large corporations as well; the lower profit margins typically leads to reduction in their workforces as well.

The point you seem to miss is that those impacted economically would have been spared otherwise. The risk in your scenario is a much bigger impact in terms of hospitalizations and deaths, which of course, will have a domino effect. Nothing that's been done has been perfect or flawless, but trying to curb it early makes much more sense than letting the pandemic run free and have a disaster nonetheless.
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The infection and death rate of those under 19 is almost nil.....just 19 have died. They don't NEED masks OR social distancing.


As you see and admit, private schools allow choice They don't just issue fiats like the public school unions. This the problem when you allow government workers to be unionized. TAXPAYERS should rule on their salaries...NOT those in government who get bribes from the unions.

Based on Sweden's death rate per million, the United states would have been more than it was, but in my mind preferable to a societal shutdown and another 6 trillion in debt.
 
Paradoxical said:
Two decades ago, I convinced the manager that our people could work from home just as well as from the office and that monitoring of scofflaws could be done by simply checking the production and value of their work product. Within 6 months, everyone worked from home and had their setup paid for and were monitored through frequent call ins from either a pay phone or home phone. That wound up saving the company hundreds of thousands of dollars. Meetings were held to catch up on things. Teachers are a different story because children need to single with other kids and socialize. Without that, we are raising humans that are unable to cope with problems. Additionally, Americans now depend on the schools for baby sitting.

I bet that private schools are open for business. This is one more reason we need to get away from our socialistic school system.

Not every company has the luxury of people working from home and those that don't have to **** down and ruin the economy for decades. Nary a poster here has expressed ANY concern whatsoever about that proving this is all about their wants and needs.
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Please please run with this. The memes and the ads will sell themselves. Please go all in on this hill.
 
bomberfox said:
Please please run with this. The memes and the ads will sell themselves. Please go all in on this hill.
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which part do you think I should run with?
 
I lost my business. Oddly, I don't feel dead.
 
Paradoxical said:
which part do you think I should run with?
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. While grannies are dying at over 80% they don’t care about them at all. They care about the less than 30% chance That THEY have of dying. They would ruin America’s economy, put people out of their businesses and jobs that they struggled to build, put them out on the streets to starve. They care about nothing other than their own lives and will decimate the economy and other people’s lived just so they won’t die

This part especially but all of it. Please run with it. I want to see you on that hill.
 
bomberfox said:
. While grannies are dying at over 80% they don’t care about them at all. They care about the less than 30% chance That THEY have of dying. They would ruin America’s economy, put people out of their businesses and jobs that they struggled to build, put them out on the streets to starve. They care about nothing other than their own lives and will decimate the economy and other people’s lived just so they won’t die

This part especially but all of it. Please run with it. I want to see you on that hill.
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You've got it down pat. Good reading comprehension. It is mainly the young people clamoring for masks and shutdown. If they are a teacher, government worker, loafer, drifter or welfare recipient, they are all in on it.
 
Paradoxical said:
You've got it down pat. Good reading comprehension. It is mainly the young people clamoring for masks and shutdown. If they are a teacher, government worker, loafer, drifter or welfare recipient, they are all in on it.
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Please by all means run with your premise and call trump and tell him to run it. This hill will be quite advantageous.
 
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