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900 times more deaths in Texas in 1 day than in all of Germany

Lakryte said:
The Constitution has 7 articles...

Look around you. Other countries in the world with denser populations have managed to get the virus under control with strong national leadership. Trump's leadership has been weak and ineffective, and the result is we are in terrible shape relative to virtually every other developed country. The current outbreaks in Texas, Florida, Arizona, and California are not the result of increased testing, which is now even more clear given deaths are also increasing in those states (and others, but those 4 are some of the worst). There have been outbreaks in both liberal states and conservative states. What do they have in common? President Trump. The buck stops with him. Given conservatives blamed Obama for Ebola in the U.S., you cannot possibly say Trump has no blame here.

And the current daily numbers matter because it shows where a state is headed. Right now those 4 states are headed in bad directions unless something changes.
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Other countries don't have the 10th amendment of the Constitution, 50 independent states with 50 different governors. Trump's leadership is nothing more than liberal talking points to divert from the failure of liberal governors and actions taken by people exercising their freedoms. You don't seem to have a problem with 600,000 abortions a year that could have been prevented and were personal choice issues but now you do with people not wearing a mask. If you wear a mask, practice social distancing why does it matter what someone else does?

What you want is a political issue, you want the economy shutdown so you can blame Trump for high unemployment. When employment improves you blame him for the spike in infections totally ignoring the recoveries, low death percentages, and low infection rates. What is the recovery rate in your state and what is the infection rate of your state?
 
George50 said:
You sure do love anecdotal evidence (which is of course useless).

A survey was done in the first half of July showing that depending on where you were in LA you had between a 34% and 87% chance everyone would be masked in 5 random encounters. If all areas were at 87% that would be great, but those at the low end are a problem.

You can look at the mask usage survey here:

A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S. - The New York Times

Another factor that contributed to LA’s problem was when they reopened restaurants for dine in. Thankfully they closed them again so hopefully that will help.


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What the hell gives you the right to demand anything of someone else and take away their freedom of choice. Seems freedom of choice only matters when 600000 murders are committed each year by destroying human life, abortions. Liberals have the gall to blame others for their own failures. You wear a mask, you social distance, why does it matter what someone else does?
 
Conservative said:
Other countries don't have the 10th amendment of the Constitution, 50 independent states with 50 different governors. Trump's leadership is nothing more than liberal talking points to divert from the failure of liberal governors and actions taken by people exercising their freedoms. You don't seem to have a problem with 600,000 abortions a year that could have been prevented and were personal choice issues but now you do with people not wearing a mask. If you wear a mask, practice social distancing why does it matter what someone else does?

What you want is a political issue, you want the economy shutdown so you can blame Trump for high unemployment. When employment improves you blame him for the spike in infections totally ignoring the recoveries, low death percentages, and low infection rates. What is the recovery rate in your state and what is the infection rate of your state?
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The 10th Amendment doesn't prevent the President from responding to a national public health emergency. It matters what other people do because if I'm the only one wearing a mask and social distancing that wont stop the pandemic.

Trump's failure to address COVID-19 has been catastrophic. And the best you can muster is "what about abortion"? SAD.
 
swing_voter said:
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Here's the deaths in each state per 100,000 population.

Nobody is going to beat NY, NJ.
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He never mentioned NY or NJ..
 
Conservative said:
Other countries don't have the 10th amendment of the Constitution, 50 independent states with 50 different governors. Trump's leadership is nothing more than liberal talking points to divert from the failure of liberal governors and actions taken by people exercising their freedoms. You don't seem to have a problem with 600,000 abortions a year that could have been prevented and were personal choice issues but now you do with people not wearing a mask. If you wear a mask, practice social distancing why does it matter what someone else does?

What you want is a political issue, you want the economy shutdown so you can blame Trump for high unemployment. When employment improves you blame him for the spike in infections totally ignoring the recoveries, low death percentages, and low infection rates. What is the recovery rate in your state and what is the infection rate of your state?
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If Trump is not re-elected and the next president that has to go through the same obstacles on the virus what will you say then to try to overt the truth?
 
Lakryte said:
The 10th Amendment doesn't prevent the President from responding to a national public health emergency. It matters what other people do because if I'm the only one wearing a mask and social distancing that wont stop the pandemic.

Trump's failure to address COVID-19 has been catastrophic. And the best you can muster is "what about abortion"? SAD.
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According to the 10th amendment it certainly does and I posted the quote and the law, doesn't seem to matter what Trump does as it isn't going to change your mind, he enforces quarantines by putting military in the streets and creates high unemployment then gets attacked for usurping state and local responsibilities and creating high unemployment. Liberal logic is to divert from state and local response failures but the continued focus on gloom and doom is the desired response from radicals. Focus on infections ignores recoveries and immune systems working

You keep buying what the left tells you and allowing them to make a fool out of you. Trump's response was attacked by Biden when Trump implemented the travel ban in January. Not sure what you wanted Trump to do because nothing he does is going to change your mind
 
Bullseye said:
Interestingly, your link also shows Germany with a deaths/per million of 108 and Texas with 134. Not much difference overall. Also interesting is that in the US LW controlled states dominate the deaths/million category.
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More people want to live in LW controled states so they have a higher population density. Fewer people want to live in Texas so there aren't as many to contribute to the statistics.:mrgreen:
 
Moonglow said:
If Trump is not re-elected and the next president that has to go through the same obstacles on the virus what will you say then to try to overt the truth?
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The truth? your post 154 is the truth, how many of the top 10 states have Democratic Governors? It is a lot easier placing blame than accepting responsibility and the left does that better than anyone else in history
 
Conservative said:
According to the 10th amendment it certainly does and I posted the quote and the law, doesn't seem to matter what Trump does as it isn't going to change your mind, he enforces quarantines by putting military in the streets and creates high unemployment then gets attacked for usurping state and local responsibilities and creating high unemployment. Liberal logic is to divert from state and local response failures but the continued focus on gloom and doom is the desired response from radicals. Focus on infections ignores recoveries and immune systems working

You keep buying what the left tells you and allowing them to make a fool out of you. Trump's response was attacked by Biden when Trump implemented the travel ban in January. Not sure what you wanted Trump to do because nothing he does is going to change your mind
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The 10th Amendment doesn't prevent the President from responding to a national public health emergency. And the 10th Amendment surely does not require Presidents to ignore public health advice and encourage people not to wear masks as Trump has done.

Sorry, the states rights talking point doesn't work for everything.
 
bearpoker said:
More people want to live in LW controled states so they have a higher population density. Fewer people want to live in Texas so there aren't as many to contribute to the statistics.:mrgreen:
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And yet more and more people are leaving blue states to relocate in red states.
 
bearpoker said:
Oh, you noticed our evil plan!:mrgreen: It won't be long now.
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Clever of you guys to raise taxes to usurous level to drive high income folks out.
 
Lakryte said:
The 10th Amendment doesn't prevent the President from responding to a national public health emergency. And the 10th Amendment surely does not require Presidents to ignore public health advice and encourage people not to wear masks as Trump has done.

Sorry, the states rights talking point doesn't work for everything.
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It prevents what you apparently want the President to do as you wouldn't believe a word he says anyway. You really have no understanding as to the role of your state gov't, do you? Why is it up to the President to tell you what to do on a personal responsibility issue?
 
Conservative said:
What the hell gives you the right to demand anything of someone else and take away their freedom of choice. Seems freedom of choice only matters when 600000 murders are committed each year by destroying human life, abortions. Liberals have the gall to blame others for their own failures. You wear a mask, you social distance, why does it matter what someone else does?
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Personally, I don’t have the right to demand, but governments do.

It matters what someone else does because if they don’t wear a mask they can infect others without even knowing they are infectious. It’s pretty sad that you haven’t figured that out by now.

It matters the same as others drunk driving or speeding does.


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Conservative said:
According to the 10th amendment it certainly does and I posted the quote and the law, doesn't seem to matter what Trump does as it isn't going to change your mind, he enforces quarantines by putting military in the streets and creates high unemployment then gets attacked for usurping state and local responsibilities and creating high unemployment. Liberal logic is to divert from state and local response failures but the continued focus on gloom and doom is the desired response from radicals. Focus on infections ignores recoveries and immune systems working

You keep buying what the left tells you and allowing them to make a fool out of you. Trump's response was attacked by Biden when Trump implemented the travel ban in January. Not sure what you wanted Trump to do because nothing he does is going to change your mind
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Where does it say in the constitution that the president should work to make a pandemic worse? Things like starting an anti mask movement when states are pleading for people to wear masks or not mobilizing industry to ensure that tests and other important items are available?


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George50 said:
The FDA is the definitive arbitrator when it comes to the use of drugs in this country. Not you, nor Trump, nor some Congressperson, nor the Democrats. Your desire to ignore the FDA would only lead to absolute chaos.
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My desire to ignore the FDA would have save thousands of lives.

Trump was pushing for HCQ, Fauci fought against it, and the FDA followed his lead. This was the biggest mistake of the pandemic.

It is clearly not dangerous, and thousands of patients had two choices: HCQ or no medicine at all
 
George50 said:
The Michigan Congresswoman has no clue whether or not HCQ saved her life and has no business trying to destroy the public’s trust in the FDA.
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Sorry, this is exactly what's killing America right now.

People came out left and right claiming the HCQ saved their lives, both patients and physicians. Washington bureaucrats, especially liberal bureaucrats, were more concerned with the damage that might be done to the public's trust in the FDA.

In this case, Washington bureaucrats literally cost thousands of American casualties.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Sorry, this is exactly what's killing America right now.

People came out left and right claiming the HCQ saved their lives, both patients and physicians. Washington bureaucrats, especially liberal bureaucrats, were more concerned with the damage that might be done to the public's trust in the FDA.

In this case, Washington bureaucrats literally cost thousands of American casualties.
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Yes, yes, we know the scientists from around the world who participated in the latest and most rigorous studies on HCQ are all wrong. So are all the scientists around the world who agree with the new studies that all say there is NO BENEFIT. Oh and don’t forget the FDA they’ve got to be wrong too for pulling approval for COVID use.

Why? Because obviously you know more than any of them!

p.s. Why do you think that the FDA would be trusted more by pulling approval for something they previously had allowed? You’ve got that one backwards. If they were looking to save their reputation they would have left the emergency authorization in place and not reversed themselves. But they didn’t. Gee given that you say their motivations are political they must be really stupid politicians.

Or perhaps, just perhaps, as incredible as it might sound, maybe, just maybe, they are just doing their job and following the science as it develops. But then you would lose another one of your conspiracy theories.


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danielpalos said:
Thanks, right wingers for not taking the pandemic seriously.

We should vote more seriously next election.
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people who weaponize the covid panic for political purposes, are not helping at all
 
The AntiDonald said:
You still just don't get it. Why should we wear masks? To protect others from a virus that YOU may unknowingly be spreading. It very obvious that all the deniers could care less about their fellow man. That's the problem we have here in the US. And fueled by our ignorant president. Had Trump promoted and set the example on masks, nearly all the deniers would be in compliance.

I am in total dissagreement with all these libertarian and civil rights nut bags. You have no right to put my health in danger. And that's what all mask deniers do.
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if you are that worried, then you should stay locked in your home. You cannot demand others take precautions to alleviate your fears. Now do I wear a mask when I go out-Depends-in crowded stores I certainly do. in areas where it is lightly populated and I know all the people-no. But ultimately, the duty is upon YOU to protect yourself. People go to work, go to restaurants etc when they have colds or the flu and infect others. WE cannot force them to stay home or wear masks
 
noonereal said:
trump is literally killing us and still his deplorable, mindless brood supports him
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this is the idiocy that interferes with having a reasonable discussion about this virus. The hysterical Trump haters are hoping that the virus kills as many people as possible and ruins the economy, so they can use those issues to attack Trump
 
bearpoker said:
More people want to live in LW controled states so they have a higher population density. Fewer people want to live in Texas so there aren't as many to contribute to the statistics.:mrgreen:
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dependent leeches want to live in areas where they can easily suck from the public teat.
 
Dishonesty again Turtle, Damn, do better...…...
 
Luckyone said:
First of all, no one in the world is or was better prepared for a pandemic than us and many countries are not prepared at all. As such, finding countries that are doing worse is no surprise. In fact, ALL countries should do worse than us, other than perhaps countries where there is no democracy and social distancing can be imposed by force (such as China).

As such, your post is ridiculous given that we should not be in this position under any circumstances. Others being here, is understandable. For us, it is inexcusable.
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Sorry lucky, you won't be lucky enough to escape being held accountable for your hyperbolic and disingenuous comparisons. YOU told us to "check out this link", and pointed to a chart that Texas compared poorly to Germany - a rather off the wall choice of comparison. And then you stuck your foot further down your mouth when you claimed "almost the same can be said of Italy and Spain" in addition to Germany.

OH REALLY?

I listed 31 countries, including those "prepared" countries of Europe like Italy and Spain, whose deaths per million IS HIGHER THAN ALL OF TEXAS. In short, we know you cherry picked Germany for a reason, the same reason you avoided mentioning those 31 others - you tried to get away with another con.

Read em and weep brother, you got caught.
 
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