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Heart scans of Covid-19 patients show range of abnormalities

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Heart scans of Covid-19 patients show range of abnormalities | Medical research | The Guardian

Edinburgh University team find heart damage in 55% of ultrasounds from 69 countries

Heart scans of coronavirus patients in hospital have revealed a range of abnormalities that can disrupt the ability to pump blood and in severe cases lead to a life-threatening failure in the organ.

Doctors at Edinburgh University examined ultrasound scans known as echocardiograms from more than 1,200 patients in 69 countries and found heart problems in 55%, with one in seven exhibiting signs of “severe abnormalities”.

The scans found damage to the ventricles – the two main chambers of the heart – in more than a third of the patients, while 3% had experienced heart attacks and a further 3% had inflamed heart tissue. The majority had no known heart disease before the scans were done.
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You may survive COVID but the long term consequences might be a shortened life due to heart failure.
 
scares the **** out of me.
 
Heart scans of Covid-19 patients show range of abnormalities | Medical research | The Guardian

Edinburgh University team find heart damage in 55% of ultrasounds from 69 countries

Heart scans of coronavirus patients in hospital have revealed a range of abnormalities that can disrupt the ability to pump blood and in severe cases lead to a life-threatening failure in the organ.

Doctors at Edinburgh University examined ultrasound scans known as echocardiograms from more than 1,200 patients in 69 countries and found heart problems in 55%, with one in seven exhibiting signs of “severe abnormalities”.

The scans found damage to the ventricles – the two main chambers of the heart – in more than a third of the patients, while 3% had experienced heart attacks and a further 3% had inflamed heart tissue. The majority had no known heart disease before the scans were done.
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You may survive COVID but the long term consequences might be a shortened life due to heart failure.

You can argue the same about eating fatty food.
 
You can argue the same about eating fatty food.

Take a statin like Lipitor & Zetia. Works for me but I don't eat fatty foods.
 
Heart scans of Covid-19 patients show range of abnormalities | Medical research | The Guardian

Edinburgh University team find heart damage in 55% of ultrasounds from 69 countries

Heart scans of coronavirus patients in hospital have revealed a range of abnormalities that can disrupt the ability to pump blood and in severe cases lead to a life-threatening failure in the organ.

Doctors at Edinburgh University examined ultrasound scans known as echocardiograms from more than 1,200 patients in 69 countries and found heart problems in 55%, with one in seven exhibiting signs of “severe abnormalities”.

The scans found damage to the ventricles – the two main chambers of the heart – in more than a third of the patients, while 3% had experienced heart attacks and a further 3% had inflamed heart tissue. The majority had no known heart disease before the scans were done.
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You may survive COVID but the long term consequences might be a shortened life due to heart failure.
So, are we saying Trump is lying to us?
 
Take a statin like Lipitor & Zetia. Works for me but I don't eat fatty foods.

I am not really too worried about it. The majority of people getting severely sick from covid-19 have preexisting conditions or are not healthy, to begin with.

If you are a smoker or have diabetes you are likely to have a more severe reaction to covid-19.

My question is, given that it is in the people's best interest to eat healthy, get sleep, exercise, and avoid unsafe behavior, why are people still doing it? I mean, these were things people should have been doing before the pandemic.
 
Of course, they do, there isn't really any part of the body this beast doesn't touch. Wait til Trumps done blackmailing schools to open without PPE. If anyone thought this can't get worse they'll be in for a surprise come fall and winter.

Save your life, or that of a loved one come NOVEMBER! It's our only hope of control.
 
I am not really too worried about it. The majority of people getting severely sick from covid-19 have preexisting conditions or are not healthy, to begin with.

If you are a smoker or have diabetes you are likely to have a more severe reaction to covid-19.

My question is, given that it is in the people's best interest to eat healthy, get sleep, exercise, and avoid unsafe behavior, why are people still doing it? I mean, these were things people should have been doing before the pandemic.

I realize blaming victims helps you feel better about surviving this virus, and it's a human reaction but at some point, you have to realize that it's just a feel-good for you.

Healthy people also die from this. Studies in China said smokers might be less likely to catch it. Thin people tend to lose so much weight from this they die. Blood type may play a part. etc, etc. I could go on and on but the reality is we are just taking our best guess and everyone deserves protection from this, not just those who think they live the healthiest lives or the young and restless.

We are all just human beings, blaming the victims for being fat, ill or old is just ugly.
 
I realize blaming victims helps you feel better about surviving this virus, and it's a human reaction but at some point, you have to realize that it's just a feel-good for you.

Healthy people also die from this. Studies in China said smokers might be less likely to catch it. Thin people tend to lose so much weight from this they die. Blood type may play a part. etc, etc. I could go on and on but the reality is we are just taking our best guess and everyone deserves protection from this, not just those who think they live the healthiest lives or the young and restless.

We are all just human beings, blaming the victims for being fat, ill or old is just ugly.

I am just saying, people that read this study and get worried but right after reading this article are picking up there order at McDonald's or KFC eating a burger with doughnuts as the bun with a milkshake to down it.

???????
 
Yes, but eating fatty foods, especially with a beer is fun, getting Covid is not, with or without the beer.

You can get covid by getting a rim job. Are you saying that is not fun?
 
Of course, they do, there isn't really any part of the body this beast doesn't touch.
Indeed. I've heard that some women have gotten pregnant from it.
 
I am just saying, people that read this study and get worried but right after reading this article are picking up there order at McDonald's or KFC eating a burger with doughnuts as the bun with a milkshake to down it.

???????

What does this have to do with anything?....
 
the majority of people in the hospital with covid are overweight/obese/have diabetes.

Evidence? This has literally not been im any of the reports coming out.
 
I'll try to make this as non-political as I can (no promises) because this has to deal with people's decisions while they're alive:

People most at risk of this virus are diabetics, and those with heart issues, blood issues, and breathing problems. If there is a moral to this whole fiasco is that people dying from this virus had made poor health choices in their lives. Sure, this thing is contagious, but it's not as lethal as advertised and it's been recorded that the odds are very good for whoever gets it, unless they already have medical problems already in their body. I wouldn't be surprised if this virus actually did affect a person's heart. However, so does the amount of sugar, drugs (recreational and over the counter/prescribed), caffeine, sodium, carbs, alcohol, and calories you put into your body. You also have to consider, in this study, if it's people who have these conditions and have the virus, so there is that. People who don't have these medical problems, or have them but not as severe as others, and have the virus may only experience minor issues. The elderly do have weakened immune systems, for sure, but we've seen many of them pull through. I hate to point to this out, but I don't think it's the elderly as much at risk, but rather people who are very overweight or obese.

I'll use myself as an example. Nearly 10 years ago, I weighed nearly 330 lbs. I got sick a lot with the cold and allergies hit me hard. Cold sores developed around my nose and I lost breath pretty easily. I ate a ton of sugar and my calorie intake was ridiculous. Putting it simply, I was a fatty and it sucked. I was tired of it and I made a commitment to get my weight down. I won't go over all the details, but over the years I worked my butt off to get myself down, and I can happily say that around 205 lbs today. Not only do I have more energy, but also haven't been sick in the past year. Allergies still kick in, but NO WHERE near what they were before, down to the point where they only last 2-3 days (at least that's what it feels like). I haven't developed cold sores in a long time, I'm breathing MUCH better, I'm faster, stronger, and more nimble on my feet. And as an added bonus, women are starting to get more... flirty with me. Anyway, dieting and exercise made a difference. I don't take in anywhere near the amount of sugar I do today as I did years ago, especially over a year ago (I did keto and I'm really glad I did it). I will bet if I continued down that road of obesity, I could have contracted this virus and could have died, and not because of the virus but rather my diabetes (while my body was fighting the virus).

So again, the moral to this whole thing is not so much the virus itself, but rather the other problems that will do you in. And that is based off the decisions they make. I get that there are people who are born with some of these conditions, but there are ways to manage them. It comes down to what that person decides to do with it, control it or let it control them. Not saying medication doesn't work because it can help (and I am not recommending to get off any of it, so that we're clear), but it can only do so much, so it really does come down to consumption of food and daily physical activities. I'll be honest, I don't know if I had the virus, but if I did, I didn't experience any of the symptoms, or if I did they were SO minor that it had very little to no effect on how I went about my day. I've been others that had the common cold and the flu, but nothing happened (knock on wood). I believe my body's immune system is stronger just because I made adjustments in my lifestyle. The big question to those that might be overweight or have these issues, is it really the virus or is it the exploitation of the unhealthy lifestyle that scares you? I'm not judging anyone so live how you want, but I believe a healthier lifestyle change may have saved my life. Think about it.
 
I am just saying, people that read this study and get worried but right after reading this article are picking up there order at McDonald's or KFC eating a burger with doughnuts as the bun with a milkshake to down it.

???????

I'll try to make this as non-political as I can (no promises) because this has to deal with people's decisions while they're alive:

Staying healthy helps with all kinds of things, and sometimes it does not. You could just get hit by a bus.

I think every person in the world has made bad choices at some point in their lives, and the old can't do anything about that. The ill, maybe couldn't do anything about that either, some things are genetic.

I do know that since this virus has ravaged our country I hear people constantly saying, "well, they were fat, or they were old, ill, weak." What is the point of this?? Is it to calm your own fears? To weed out those who aren't strong from society?

In the end, we should try and protect others regardless, and letting this virus run out of control is killing people it didn't need to kill. People with families, and loved ones who care regardless of their condition prior to this virus.

So, finish the sentence for me.

"Oh, they were fat so....." So, what?
"They were old so ....." So, what?
"They had other conditions...." So what?

So, you don't have to worry about it? Or so we don't have to DO anything about it? Or, it's their fault so I don't need to protect them?

Finish the sentence so it's clear!
 
Staying healthy helps with all kinds of things, and sometimes it does not. You could just get hit by a bus.

I think every person in the world has made bad choices at some point in their lives, and the old can't do anything about that. The ill, maybe couldn't do anything about that either, some things are genetic.

I do know that since this virus has ravaged our country I hear people constantly saying, "well, they were fat, or they were old, ill, weak." What is the point of this?? Is it to calm your own fears? To weed out those who aren't strong from society?

In the end, we should try and protect others regardless, and letting this virus run out of control is killing people it didn't need to kill. People with families, and loved ones who care regardless of their condition prior to this virus.

So, finish the sentence for me.

"Oh, they were fat so....." So, what?
"They were old so ....." So, what?
"They had other conditions...." So what?

So, you don't have to worry about it? Or so we don't have to DO anything about it? Or, it's their fault so I don't need to protect them?

Finish the sentence so it's clear!

I don't think I will finish those sentences because you're ignoring the reality of how diseases and viruses, in general, work. So instead let me offer an alternative:

Being overweight: when you weigh more than what you do, heart has to be working harder because your body had expanded and more blood is needed. In addition to that, the body's defenses may be more compromised because of the extra weight (especially internal organs). Overweight people have problems breathing because oxygen is carried through the blood stream, and if that's compromised, they breathe heavily. So while the heart and even some of the body's natural defenses are at work, a virus can slip in and cause problems. The heart can be attacked, causing a heart attack or even a stroke, or the body's defenses will go ward off the virus while ignoring the other issues. I'm no doctor, but someone that is overweight is at risk (even more so if they're truly obese). I know this from experience because I experienced illness a lot and I lost breathe easily when I was overweight, so I know what I'm talking about here and can attest to this. It was my bad decision making, aka bad dieting and lack of exercise, that led me to getting sick often.

Underlying conditions: Diabetes, high/low blood pressure, lymes disease, high cholesterol, thyroid issues, etc. All this plays a significant role in the health of your body. I understand there are people that are born with certain conditions, but that doesn't mean "do nothing" to keep yourself healthy. Medication CAN help, but not always and not the only solution. Most of the problems are resolved and/or controlled by what the individual does. Again, dieting and exercise does help greatly with the majority of these issues. With diabetes, if you have too much or not enough sugar in your system, you develop problems. One of them being getting your foot amputated, and another reduced vision. It can even lower your body's immune system. This is resolved, typically, with the right amount of sugar intake and keeping your weight down through reduced consumption of food and exercising daily. If this isn't achieved, a virus simply adds on to the list of problems you already have, and over 90% of the time it isn't the virus, but rather your underlying conditions.

The elderly: Getting old is an inevitable part of life. Your immune system and your body as a whole is weaker. But that doesn't mean you're dead, even with underlying conditions or being overweight. You can still be doing all your daily activities, dieting and exercising, and still living life. They can maintain what immune system they have left to ward off illnesses and viruses. Many people are living longer now because of the change in lifestyle, or in other words, they're not acting old. So let's not kid ourselves into believing that if a virus comes in contact with an older person that they're going to die because if they're taking care of their bodies, that kind of stuff shouldn't bother them as much. Simple.

I know there are people who might fall into any or all categories. Now, I'm not opposed to having those people staying home just in case, but it's no reason to keep everyone else, who are not in those categories, away from work. If the people in those categories are not, once again, dieting, exercising, and even taken medications/supplements, they are at risk. That's the reality of it, and, no, I'm not trying to be mean. Poor health decisions do lead to these kind of problems, and something as simple as the flu or even the common cold causes severe complications for these people if they're not doing anything to lower the chances of experiencing the symptoms. That's just common sense, and I'm sorry, but not sorry, for offending you like this.
 
I don't think I will finish those sentences because you're ignoring the reality of how diseases and viruses, in general, work. So instead let me offer an alternative:


I know there are people who might fall into any or all categories. Now, I'm not opposed to having those people staying home just in case, but it's no reason to keep everyone else, who are not in those categories, away from work. If the people in those categories are not, once again, dieting, exercising, and even taken medications/supplements, they are at risk. That's the reality of it, and, no, I'm not trying to be mean. Poor health decisions do lead to these kind of problems, and something as simple as the flu or even the common cold causes severe complications for these people if they're not doing anything to lower the chances of experiencing the symptoms. That's just common sense, and I'm sorry, but not sorry, for offending you like this.

I didn't really expect what I said to knock any sympathy into you so no worries there.

I am wondering why you aren't concerned about what these people you describe so clinically have to offer to society. These people you talk about are still useful, despite their issues and they are worth protecting. They contribute quite a bit to our society but don't worry, one day you'll be one of those people. Maybe after a good dose of COVID. I hear it can have lasting effects.

Also, that last paragraph is a wish list. You know you can't just home jail those people you feel are too much of a bother during COVID so you can spread worry-free. What you spread will trickle through society and kill those people whether you take responsibility for it or not. There are things in our society that are mandated by law, and people have to go to the doctor, dentist, and hospital occasionally, especially that group.

We have just enough room for the flu, cancer, car accidents and the like. We don't have the capacity to handle something added on that's triple the flu. Unless you can pop out hospitals and staff overnight, stopping the spread is our only option. How do you suppose we do that?

I'll ask you this, how is it America isn't capable of limiting the spread of COVID? When this pandemic started people around the world and Americans thought we would do a far better job than we ended up doing. I was led to believe we have the best medical care, doctors, scientist in the world. So what gives? My state now has more cases than all of the EU.
 
I didn't really expect what I said to knock any sympathy into you so no worries there.

I am wondering why you aren't concerned about what these people you describe so clinically have to offer to society. These people you talk about are still useful, despite their issues and they are worth protecting. They contribute quite a bit to our society but don't worry, one day you'll be one of those people. Maybe after a good dose of COVID. I hear it can have lasting effects.

Also, that last paragraph is a wish list. You know you can't just home jail those people you feel are too much of a bother during COVID so you can spread worry-free. What you spread will trickle through society and kill those people whether you take responsibility for it or not. There are things in our society that are mandated by law, and people have to go to the doctor, dentist, and hospital occasionally, especially that group.

We have just enough room for the flu, cancer, car accidents and the like. We don't have the capacity to handle something added on that's triple the flu. Unless you can pop out hospitals and staff overnight, stopping the spread is our only option. How do you suppose we do that?

I'll ask you this, how is it America isn't capable of limiting the spread of COVID? When this pandemic started people around the world and Americans thought we would do a far better job than we ended up doing. I was led to believe we have the best medical care, doctors, scientist in the world. So what gives? My state now has more cases than all of the EU.

First off, we have a far larger population so there's no doubt we'll have more cases. Second, it's been suspected and, in the case in Florida, that the number of cases and even deaths have been inflated by over 90%. It's just not being reported in the big news outlets. Finally, I don't know what state you live in, but I know that New York sick people were placed into nursing homes, and as you know, people living in those places can't take care of themselves anymore because of some of the major health problems they have. In which case, the residents of these places do not have a good immune system and are at high risk of dying from things like the flu, the common cold, diarrhea, and even COVID-19 (which has been recorded to have a 1-3% mortality rate). That's not good at all, and with these residents being exposed to this stuff, yeah, there's a good chance they will die because they are in poor health.

I just lost my grandpa Friday morning. He didn't die from COVID, but rather cancer. Even then, he stayed in for the most part because not only did it affect his lungs, but he was also a diabetic (type 2). Granted, he didn't believe that this virus was as lethal to most people that are in great health, but he knew that he was high risk. He did the best thing he could do for himself and stayed home, unless if he had to go out. My grandpa, to the end, had a sharp mind because he was taking in his liquids and his medications that didn't affect him psychologically. The only wrong decision he made for himself was he had, about 2-3 years ago, started back up on his chewing tobacco. He had, for years, done that, especially in his earlier days (A LOT). He gave it up while he married, although, on and off, he would do it but not as serious as his youthful days. In any case, other than that habit, he was healthy, up until about a year or two ago. On top of all that, he was a very good man, served our country, worked as an engineer, very wise, and very devoted to his faith.

I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I throwing my grandpa under the bus (I loved him), but it ultimately comes down to our decisions in life. As I mentioned before, the amount of tobacco my grandpa took in did him in. People who have diabetes (type 2) typically would die from that because the amount of sugar they put into their bodies. Being older means a weaker immune system. Having too much fat has an affect on your body and your heart. My grandpa had ALL this going on with him during his time alive. He managed it all well, but it was going to catch up with him, sooner or later. But my grandpa did what he liked and was a very joyful and happy person, and NEVER did we tell him how to live (he had that down to a "T"). If you want to eat all your junky food and not worry about the weight, that's fine. If you want to eat all your sugar-upped foods and deal with diabetes, go ahead. If you want to feel and act old (and simply rely on medications alone for your health), no one is stopping you. However, just keep in mind the consequences of your actions. I'm really trying to be civil here because I believe there's a deeper problem that's far worse than a virus, and if there's any way I can help, I'd like to try my hand.
 
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