Florida shatters national record with over 15,000 new confirmed coronavirus cases

OlNate said:

lol...yeah...it has all gotten a little too pep rally, not enough math / history class... The good news is that they seem to be figuring it out anyway...maybe that's why older folks are so mad at them...hehe...

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I really hope so. Their parents have failed them in their political zeal to default to partisan camps as an explanation of the world and its reality. And yes, today's generation knows only a country at constant war from a distance.

The right has certainly been driving this extremist bus against science and simple human decency, but in time the left began reacting to this stupidity by defaulting to a shrug against the right's tiny criminally misrepresented voice. Sure, easy to do when jackasses are arguing about tomato paste, but here we are in ****ed up America for all the world to laugh at.

Twenty tears, dude. I gave this country twenty years and near six months, accumulating bad memories, sleep deprived nights, and anxiety ridden normal every day events. The result of more sacrifice than most people know for my country is a "political" right that defaults to ignorance in order to explain reality and a described "left" that haphazardly destroys even the wrong statues.

**** me. Am I the actual joke? Perhaps the moral of the story here really is that you shouldn't volunteer for a damn thing. Even your country will later laugh at you...cuz...draft-dodger.

bongsaway said:

Not when you have folks in 'the villages' helping him out by yelling white power. I'm a flori-duh senior and truthfully I can't believe the republicans they vote into power here. Scott our former governor and now senator had the biggest medicare rip off ever. Don't know how much he ripped them off for but the fine was 1.7 BILLION dollars. That's the kind of folks republicans in flori-duh vote for. Idiots.

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To be honest - DeSantis' election was a damn close call, and I wonder with the Republican politicos shutting it down quickly, if perhaps Gillum had a shot yet?

Ahlevah said:

Americans at one time understood that if you wanted your freedom there might come a time when you had an obligation--a duty--to sacrifice for the common good. Considering what people sacrificed during WWII, I don't think it's asking too much to wear a mask or face shield when shopping for SpaghettiOs at Walmart.

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You bring-up a poignant point. My family emigrated out of war-torn Europe to start a new life here. They brought their young sons with them. When the Korean conflict broke-out, my grandparents insisted their sons enlist and fight for the country that saved and adopted them.

They so loved and believed in America, that they were willing to risk their offspring - their precious blood! And their kids couldn't grab a rifle fast enough! You never saw anyone more patriotic then my family. They loved this country like no other. And it breaks my heart to see their dreams shattered. Thank God they're no longer around. This would have broken them. They suffered a lot in this world, but they always believed in America; and they gave it everything they had!

trixare4kids said:

Trump has tried to unite us and guide us through this mess that HE DIDN'T CAUSE.. He's up against the rabid power hungry left and their heartless scheming media so it's only right that I completely disagree with you.

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Oh, please spare me the bolded. With all respect.

trixare4kids said:

The reason you and your family members have not gotten this is precisely because of what that poster wrote above. "NOBODY is going to look out for your best interests better than you will."
Passing the buck onto a president you detest doesn't cut it.

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Again, not true. You can't protect yourself against someone endangering you. The posters drunk-driving analogy was right on. Many good people perish due to drunk drivers. Ditto, for Covid. And in spades, for our economy and economic well being.

Chomsky said:

They so loved and believed in America, that they were willing to risk their offspring - their precious blood! And their kids couldn't grab a rifle fast enough! You never saw anyone more patriotic then my family. They loved this country like no other. And it breaks my heart to see their dreams shattered. Thank God they're no longer around. This would have broken them. They suffered a lot in this world, but they always believed in America; and they gave it everything they had!

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I worked with a gentleman from Vietnam. (He recently left the company to take care of his sick mother.) He was in Saigon during the fall of that city in April, 1975 and described the horrors that ensued--the panic, the destruction, the dead bodies in the streets. He was passionate to the point of tears when describing his love for this country. I've met a lot of immigrants over the years. I can't recall one of them, my wife included, ever uttering an ill word about the United States even though we all know they could. It still inspires people because we haven't managed to completely destroy the promise yet.

Casper said:

Oh I think those have faded to the point of less than that of a Shadow.
What truely amazes me is that the protests and virus were a golden opportunity for trump to show leadership and some humility, and instead he showed a total lack in true leadership skills and proved he is inept and unqualified to lead this Nation.
The virus will eventually be dealt with, but not without unnecessary pain and suffering and Death, along with more economic pain than was necessary.
Same goes for the fight for social Justice and a path to finally dealing with the root causes and not the symptoms, once rational people are running the show.
The economy will rebound but that will take a lot longer and we will be paying for it for a long time to come.
But, first things first, trump and many in the GOP need to go, and then, and only then, can this Nation begin the long process of healing and moving forward. The alternative is too dismal to consider.

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That's it exactly, in the bolded. We've all seen the Europe vs U.S. graphs. The graphs are similar for most other first world countries too, like many in Asia. There is only one reason we are such a suffering outlier compared to our peer nations; it's our leadership.

The key to our getting better is getting rid of Trump. He & the GOP are the key. Because as goes the pandemic, so goes the economy. And we will never join our peer nations with Trump & the GOP running the show. Hell, we are so fugged-up our peer nations will not even allow us in their countries! Think of that?

Chomsky said:

I have no reason to doubt your numbers; if they're accurate, you are correct. Despite Trump's unfortunate comments about testing ("We're testing too much!" "Test less!"), there is some truth in more testing yielding more positives.

The additional parameter that both bolsters & ameliorates your argument, is the testing positive percentage rate, which the latest I could find shows around 20%.

Source: (Johns-Hopkins) Rate of Positive Tests in the US and States Over Time

I don't have a source, but I seem to recall NY was hitting 40% positives at its worse. So 1/6 the tests, but 2X the positives rate.

But the disparity in testing leaves other concerns. When there wasn't enough testing to go around back then, was it rationed to those most likely sick? I remember NY only tested at the hospital, and if one presented themselves with a pretty extensive panoply of symptoms and was expected to be admired. Now, one need only to drive up to a motor testing facility and kindly ask to be tested.

So yeah - we can crunch the numbers, but there's a myriad of disparate variables making it difficult to do hard analysis. The old, "GIGO". But I'm very much a numbers guy, enjoy quantitative analysis, and appreciate your input. Thanks!

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Thank you. The numbers I provided are from Worldometers. I had to use the wayback machine to pull WoM numbers for NY on April 15.

Further complicating this, especially for Florida, has been the fact that it was 1 of only 3 states that did not require or track hospitalization data, until recently. And there has been an ongoing issue with mixing PCR tests and anti-body tests (although I don't know if it applies to Florida), and lots of antidotal stories about repeated testing of the same patient being cumulative, people who claim when they miss an testing appointment they get a notice that they tested positive, and how much of previous data is backlogged and added NOW as a new case.

All of which reduces confidence that Florida knows what it is doing.

Hence, its easier to make generalized statements (cases are going up significantly) but hard to make specific ones.

Court Jester said:

I don't live my life expecting that anyone else will look out for my best interests and that includes everyone and everything. I have ZERO control over what other people may or may not do, including the government. Therefore I do not automatically trust anyone.

Initially the CDC said that wearing a mask for the general population was not only unnecessary, but unhealthy. I knew that was BS right out of the gate, and the ONLY reason they said that then was they wanted to secure all the masks for hosptial workers and first responders after the Chinese had already cut off the available supply of PPE gear.

Yes, we all should look out for others as empathetic people would. And I am confident that you and I would look out for each other being rational people. But have you looked around much how irrational and self entitled much of our culture is? Ever observe people driving at 80 mph while texting for many miles with their "baby on board" sticker on the back of their SUV? And you going to trust them to take personal precautions with YOUR health and this covid thing?

Sorry, I see way too many people around me I shouldn't trust, so I don't.

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Well, our conversation originally sprang from your claim that we should all do our own thing. And despite that I do believe you are likely both a personally responsible and socially responsible person, your prior argument just didn't cut it. It's the irresponsible among us that's contributing to all of us getting sick.

Eriech said:

Tell that to all the businesses that have been killed. We can all shelter in place and watch society die to protect the vulnerable.

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Your attempting to make a strawman, with the bolded. The reason the economy is shutting down again is specifically because of many among us acting irresponsibly. You'll never get us back to a strong economy by blindly swinging the doors open. As we can see today. The only chance for success is opening-up intelligently & responsibly.

Court Jester said:

I understand social or even corporate responsibility. But let's be honest about that, NOBODY is going to look out for your best interests better than YOU will. We could hope for "social responsibility", but it only takes one entitled drunk driver, or on entitled knowingly infected person, to ruin your whole day or more.

Social responsibility is great, but it isn't guaranteed, not in this culture. Maybe in Japan or Singapore, not here in the USA---- just can't count on it.

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while i hope you are wrong, you could be right

there was a time when the greatest generation made personal sacrifices to aid our nation's war effort
purchases of essential goods were limited to what was available on their ration cards
families donated household treasures to be melted and transformed into arms and aircraft and ammunition

but they also had a leader who inspired them to do what was best for the nation

i am inclined to believe we just don't have that kind of leader; that if we did, Americans today would respond as our grandparents did

MSgt said:

What are you talking about?! They are inheriting "Great Again!" After all, the current President is white and....well...I have no idea!! USA! USA! USA!

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Did you notice Trump has quietly let "KAGA" die, and is now back to "MAGA". Telling, I think.

lurchadams said:

DeVos will go down in history of the most unqualified cabinet appointment by any president. And trump appointed Flynn as NSA and Perry as head of DoE, so that's sayin' sumpthin'!

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she may have competition from michael brown, of 'heck of a job, brownie' ignominy

AJG said:

I've heard that New York made some big mistakes, like packing patients into nursing homes and not addressing the pandemic quickly enough. Can you name some other practices or mistakes New York made that other countries didn't? I'm not saying New York's handling of the virus was perfect, but they managed to get the situation largely under control, which is the opposite of what appears to be happening in Florida right now. Do you really think there's nothing Florida could be doing differently that states like New York did?

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A lot of states were making fun of what NY did and how they did it and it seemed to work
maybe IF some of these other states that did make fun of NY and what they did , would start to do what NY did they maybe able to get it under control
but it doesn't seem to be the case so we will see how these states handle it and what happens
and like you said NY did make a lot of mistakes but they didn't have any examples of what to do to follow like these other states now do
Have a nice night

Casper said:

But, first things first, trump and many in the GOP need to go, and then, and only then, can this Nation begin the long process of healing and moving forward. The alternative is too dismal to consider.

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The people dividing this country--social justice warriors and their cancel culture--are the people who need to go, preferably to hell if there is one, because they don't see one nation, under God, but one giant cesspool of bigots with everything defined in binary terms--black or white, male or female, gay or straight, rich or poor, privileged or marginalized.... You're living in Fantasyland if you think Trump and his supporters are the problem. I don't recall us being especially united under Obama. Do the names Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Freddie Gray ring a bell?

OlNate said:

A salt of the earth analysis from a Floridian I quite like. You might enjoy it.

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"Well ... he's a conservative Democrat!" :lamo

Thanks for this. Interesting. And it seems to reflect Trump's recent Florida polling, particularly among seniors. Trump cannot win the election without FL.

Ans yeah, the YouTuber does seem like a decent guy.

MSgt said:

I really hope so. Their parents have failed them in their political zeal to default to partisan camps as an explanation of the world and its reality. And yes, today's generation knows only a country at constant war from a distance.

The right has certainly been driving this extremist bus against science and simple human decency, but in time the left began reacting to this stupidity by defaulting to a shrug against the right's tiny criminally misrepresented voice. Sure, easy to do when jackasses are arguing about tomato paste, but here we are in ****ed up America for all the world to laugh at.

Twenty tears, dude. I gave this country twenty years and near six months, accumulating bad memories, sleep deprived nights, and anxiety ridden normal every day events. The result of more sacrifice than most people know for my country is a "political" right that defaults to ignorance in order to explain reality and a described "left" that haphazardly destroys even the wrong statues.

**** me. Am I the actual joke? Perhaps the moral of the story here really is that you shouldn't volunteer for a damn thing. Even your country will later laugh at you...cuz...draft-dodger.

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hehe...I mean, yeah, I read that through six times, and I can't really argue a damn thing. The fact is, the fight has become more important than what people are fighting for, and to such a degree that folks who are actually trying to bring about needed change get lost in the noise, if not impulsively and outright demonized. And in the meantime, both of your political parties eat your lunch. If it wasn't designed that way, it sure turned out to be a Bob Ross happy little accident.

That's not to say that everything is negative...or, maybe more accurately, it's not bad that it's all negative. The next generations are getting a pretty clear picture of how not to do things, and the consequences of doing them this way. They'll look at us, and be able to make an educated decision about if they want to rip their society apart over politics and division, because they're watching as we're doing it now. Hopefully they learn the right lessons.

Regarding your military service...this part is the hardest for me to respond to, both because I respect folks who serve, and because I never did. It's not as common a path for people to take up here, for obvious reasons. So, I wouldn't assume to think I see things exactly the way you do. All I can say is that in a time when it seems most people have little understanding of what it means to serve their country, including and especially its elected representatives, it's probably good to have some folks at the table who do.

So, no, man, I do not see you as a joke. You just happened to serve during the dark hours before the morning. Given the lessons our kids are getting first hand, it can't help but get better from here.

Chomsky said:

Did you notice Trump has quietly let "KAGA" die, and is now back to "MAGA". Telling, I think.

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Oh, I noticed.

Without ever actually defining "Make America Great Again," his re-election campaign was tasked with having to define "Keep America Great." They couldn't.

These are stupid slogans meant for stupid people who don't care to think beyond a pep rally. The moment you ask them (on this site), they immediately default to their radical right-wing degeneration of what they have been told of "the left." But never actually trying to quantify what they actually might think they believe in.

- The economic trend is what it is when Obama left Office.
- The unemployment trend is what it is when Obama left Office.

Covid aside, and disregarding the disaster that Trump has set America up for in terms of economy, and the American troop in terms of foreign policy, Trump has done nothing to "Make America Great Again," thus logically nowhere near the idea of "Keep America Great." We are a very weaker country on every level since the idiot plutocrat was elected, and you know I can quantify that.

Is it really simply a matter of Trump being white in complexion? Take this post as a challenge. Anybody? Anybody? What is conservatism in America anymore and what has Trump contributed?

Ahlevah said:

I worked with a gentleman from Vietnam. (He recently left the company to take care of his sick mother.) He was in Saigon during the fall of that city in April, 1975 and described the horrors that ensued--the panic, the destruction, the dead bodies in the streets. He was passionate to the point of tears when describing his love for this country. I've met a lot of immigrants over the years. I can't recall one of them, my wife included, ever uttering an ill word about the United States even though we all know they could. It still inspires people because we haven't managed to completely destroy the promise yet.

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Let's be serious. Who doesn't want to be part of the great democratic experiment? Self governance? The dream does indeed live on. The reality sucks, for now. But the dream is still there.

OlNate said:

Ah, bud, while I wish that was possible, I'm not sure it is...not unless the young generations manage to fix a lot of stuff. They sure are inheriting a mess.

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lol stop being dumb, it's young generations participating in the insurrection that is spreading high case numbers. deaths are extremely low. if you truly cared you'd have demanded BLM get gassed like never before

OlNate said:

hehe...I mean, yeah, I read that through six times, and I can't really argue a damn thing.

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Well, obviously. You can clearly see from under my name that I'm a stabler genius. This means that as stable a genius as Trump is, I'm an even stabler one. I mean, that idiot doesn't even come to the meetings.

OlNate said:

Regarding your military service...this part is the hardest for me to respond to, both because I respect folks who serve, and because I never did. It's not as common a path for people to take up here, for obvious reasons. So, I wouldn't assume to think I see things exactly the way you do. All I can say is that in a time when it seems most people have little understanding of what it means to serve their country, including and especially its elected representatives, it's probably good to have some folks at the table who do.

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I appreciate that.

maxparrish said:

Thank you. The numbers I provided are from Worldometers. I had to use the wayback machine to pull WoM numbers for NY on April 15.

Further complicating this, especially for Florida, has been the fact that it was 1 of only 3 states that did not require or track hospitalization data, until recently. And there has been an ongoing issue with mixing PCR tests and anti-body tests (although I don't know if it applies to Florida), and lots of antidotal stories about repeated testing of the same patient being cumulative, people who claim when they miss an testing appointment they get a notice that they tested positive, and how much of previous data is backlogged and added NOW as a new case.

All of which reduces confidence that Florida knows what it is doing.

Hence, its easier to make generalized statements (cases are going up significantly) but hard to make specific ones.

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The bolded is exactly right. Hospital admissions is a very strong indicator & correlator. And Desantis' removing hospital admissions data from reporting struck me as subterfuge.

justabubba said:

she may have competition from michael brown, of 'heck of a job, brownie' ignominy

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Yeah, and that's the other thing. I'm getting so sick of trump declaring "what a great job he's doing".

Gag me!

justabubba said:

while i hope you are wrong, you could be right

there was a time when the greatest generation made personal sacrifices to aid our nation's war effort
purchases of essential goods were limited to what was available on their ration cards
families donated household treasures to be melted and transformed into arms and aircraft and ammunition

but they also had a leader who inspired them to do what was best for the nation

i am inclined to believe we just don't have that kind of leader; that if we did, Americans today would respond as our grandparents did

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Exactly!

There was a time when we didn't drive our cars to save gas, and used ration cards to purchase our limited monthly provisions. And we broke the Nazi war machine.

justabubba said:

while i hope you are wrong, you could be right

there was a time when the greatest generation made personal sacrifices to aid our nation's war effort
purchases of essential goods were limited to what was available on their ration cards
families donated household treasures to be melted and transformed into arms and aircraft and ammunition

but they also had a leader who inspired them to do what was best for the nation

i am inclined to believe we just don't have that kind of leader; that if we did, Americans today would respond as our grandparents did

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lol, the youngest generations of Americans are nihilistic, selfish, narcissists, they wouldn't give up anything for a larger effort.

They literally believe telling a female impersonator he's not a woman is violence. such people are not trustworthy