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Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread

Rogue Valley said:
Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread

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Neither President Donald Trump nor Vice President Michael Pence have school-age children. With that, they have no problem using YOUR children as COVID lab rats.

They'll push to reopen schools too soon, just as they pushed for the now COVID infested states of Florida, Georgia, and Texas to reopen too soon.
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Neither of those 2 morons have any knowledge or common sense, either.
I don’t believe that Trump has attended any 19 meetings since April, and Pence stopped having televised updates many weeks ago.
The WH and Trump’s minions are quite worthless.
 
The Democratic Party agrees with the CDC that all the talk about the importance of education is just a bunch of crap and there is no reason to keep wasting any money on pointless education. Thus, dropout rates now over 40% is GREAT news and a pile of money saves on students, so the all important raises for school administrators can not be limited to 6 figure incomes.

Ideally to the MSM and Democratic Party, in the next cancelled school year they will obtain a dropout rate of at least 70% and ideally 80% - especially for black and Latino students as is happening. Really, only Asian ancestry kids should go to school anyway.
 
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WillyPete said:
Barron's just 14yo. I can't imagine a more alien environment to be raised in (that didn't involve actual aliens, anyhow.)

It would be interesting to explore Barron's school environment. I'd wager they are following all the COVID19 protocols, and more besides.
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Yes. An expensive private school where cost is no problem.
 
Mongidig said:
I get the risks. The way I'm reading the article is they are comparing the risk of not opening to opening. Obviously opening is the highest risk. Are they comparing the opening of schools to large indoor gatherings with no masks? or people cramming into bars without masks?

Is this article implying that opening schools creates the highest risk of spread throughout the country?

I understand the risks. I want to understand the context.
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The criteria are in the document itself.

• Lowest Risk:Students and teachers engage invirtual-only classes, activities, and events.
• More Risk: Small, in-person classes, activities, and events. Groups of students stay together and
with the same teacher throughout/across school days and groups do not mix.Students remain
at least 6 feet apart and do not share objects (e.g.,hybrid virtual and in-person class structures,
or staggered/rotated scheduling to accommodate smaller class sizes).
• Highest Risk:Full sized, in-person classes, activities, and events. Students are not spaced apart,
share classroom materials or supplies, and mix between classes and activities.

The CDC was talking about the "highest risk" for exposing children to the virus during education. It didn't mean that reopening schools constitutes the highest risk for spreading the virus in general.

That being said, I try to avoid close contact with young people when colds and flus flare up in my community anyway. It's just common sense and established medicine that their immune systems are underdeveloped, they unknowingly engage in risky activities, they don't have great hygiene habits yet, and they touch things and share spaces with lots of other children who all have the same factors. They're "germ factories". Especially considering that the US is in the worst COVID situation it has ever been in and that no one is sure how to diagnose children and how the virus behaves in their bodies, forcing children back into classrooms before state and local leaders, parents, educators, and other stakeholders are ready is just about the stupidest, most reckless thing I can imagine.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...70172f2cc13c9cf0e6a/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
 
41% school dropout rate. Death rate of school age children: 0%.

41% school dropout rate. 0% Death Rate

The goal is to eliminate students, not about covid-19. Students cost money. They take as much as 20% of educational costs - 20% the administrators should be getting instead. The most efficient school system is all administrators and teachers, no students. Just ask the Democratic Party and MSM talking heads. The problem with the school system is the students. So just eliminate students.
 
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Helix said:
i've been back in working to help since March.
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If your town or county is heavy hit, schools may need to adjust time tables. That doesn't mean Spokane, WA needs to self-quarantine.

Eugene - Lane County has had 294 confirmed cases and 3 deaths since the beginning.
 
Schism said:
Our daughter is an E-5 in the Navy.

However, if we had a school aged child, it would depend on what's happening in our area. For example, if there is an increase of COVID infections in Miami, it doesn't mean Fort Collins, CO or Casper, WY need to shut down schools.

A blanket policy just doesn't work in this situation. If the problem is in Tucson, AZ then they may need to scale back or scale down their plans.

This is issue for states and local officials to work out what's best for their citizens.
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So if that's your measured and rational position why that "hide in the kitchen" snipe?
 
Diesel said:
The CDC issued guidelines for the reopening of businesses. Trump told the states to ignore them. Now the US's COVID situation is worse than it was in April and May. Until we can meet the scientific guidelines for opening business, reopening schools should be off the table. This is so unbelievably stupid to anyone who is not a Trumpist. Not only have we plunged the entire country into the burning building, but the administration wants to specifically sacrifice school children.
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full-sized, in-person classes that lack social distancing as the "highest risk" setting.
NO schools are considering just sending the kids back like usual? Trump shouldn't be advocating for ALL schools to reopen--it should depend on their Covid situation in August, but in most parts of the country, school with precautions in place can happen. It won't be foolproof and of course there will be some cases, but we cannot keep our children at home indefinitely. You are concerned for the children--well, so am I! If a vaccine were imminent and we were certain one could be distributed by January, I would be behind waiting until then. But at this point, we don't know that and most estimates are that it won't happen that soon. As far as the virus goes, children aren't the ones we need to worry about here--it is the adults they come in contact with. If the community's caseload is low, sending kids to school with sensible precautions is a better overall solution than keeping them home, without good learning experiences and with a parent who can't work because the child is home. That's not helping the economy or the children.

We are all between a rock and a hard place when it comes to this decision. I certainly understand your concern. But I do know one thing for sure: It would be entirely unfair for my community's decision to be based on what is happening in Houston. We have two active cases in our entire county, have had less than a half dozen total and no hospitalizations/deaths. So with masks and additional sanitizing/symptom checking, our kids deserve to go back to school.
 
Mongidig said:
I think it's common knowledge that at this point every decision Trump is making is about the election.

I agree we are in uncharted territory regarding opening schools and what we know about it. I think a flexible approach is what is needed. The school districts need to be prepared to go back to virtual learning quickly if things go bad. I think a delay in reopening makes sense in certain parts of the country right now.
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The federal government couldn't be bothered to help states contain the virus, so why should it be involved in telling states when to reopen barber shops and schools? HI's first day of school is Aug. 4. That seems too soon to me. HI has a disproportionate amount of "federal impact students" (i.e., dependents of military families for which schools get reimbursed for educating). Withholding federal aid on Aug. 5 would be a monumental mistake and would decimate that state's public education system, which is in less than stellar condition anyway.

The first day of school in MN is Sept. 8. That's almost two months from now. Anything can happen in two months. I agree with you that the approach needs to be flexible, it needs to be decided by local stakeholders in every school district, and it should be controlled by fact-based guidelines that promote social distancing, mask wearing, and hand hygiene.
 
digitusmedius said:
So if that's your measured and rational position why that "hide in the kitchen" snipe?
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It's for those pretending that Trump encouraging school openings is somehow an edict.

It's for those who pretend that their states, cities, and counties aren't making the decisions based on local/regional risk assessments.

It's for those who flap their arms in an Internet forum like it's the Butterfly Effect.
 
digitusmedius said:
I'd add "mask compliance over a 6-8hr period: 0"
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Its amazing what kids will do when you tell them they need to do it.

For example, pants compliance with even young kids is pretty much 100% in school. In fact, in my days in school, I would imagine that the amount of boys who removed their pants in the classroom - and I’ve seen hundreds of kids for many years - is pretty much 0%.

However, right now, the local school district has a bunch of petitions complaining about a state order for everyone to wear masks indoors. Apparently the parents dont like it, for the above reason as well as all kinds of fake ‘scientific’ reasons. It’s pretty sad.
 
Schism said:
If your town or county is heavy hit, schools may need to adjust time tables. That doesn't mean Spokane, WA needs to self-quarantine.

Eugene - Lane County has had 294 confirmed cases and 3 deaths since the beginning.
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What gives you certainty that that means Lane Co. should just open up. In fact, the policy for the entire state of OR is to let each school district to make a range of options available to teachers and parents. So, I suspect Lane and many other OR counties will follow this schema:

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Helix said:
Stupid assholes are putting my family at risk. I'm angry about it.
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I think people are going to express their anger more as this pandemic continues and the health threats inevitably start hitting more homes. I think these assholes will start to thin out as people become less tolerant of their behaviour. People are too nice right now. This is why I avoid going out. I literally growl at people who invade my space and aren't wearing masks.

Hopefully, this virus starts to thin out and we don't get to the point above.
 
Since most kids (maybe not yours) have accustomed themselves to wearing pants by the time they get to kindergarten I'm pretty sure that's a specious comparison to having to start wearing a face mask at that age and expect it to stay in place for hours at a time.
 
Bodecea said:
Utah Canyons School Crisis Draft Included Death Template | Heavy.com

Best be prepared, eh?
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As morbid as it is, yes. At my place of work we have a number of emergency preparedness manuals for active shooters, events of terrorism, hurricanes, fires, and some other things. We have been developing one for COVID since March, but it's really not possible to keep up with the current pace of changing information. They are hundreds of pages each, require extensive training for every employee at every level of responsibility, and do include "death templates", although we certainly don't call them that in the literature. They aren't called that by the UT school district either, but the source apparently decided to add a little color to its link/title.
 
Schism said:
A blanket policy just doesn't work in this situation.
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The "50 different state solutions" policy obviously hasn't worked. Just ask Florida, Texas, Georgia, and Arizona how things are going these days.

Three months ago they were scoffing at New York, New Jersey, and Michigan. Now the COVID worm has turned because they listened to Trump and lacked discipline..

The EU didn't flatten their numbers with everyone doing whatever they wanted. There was unified actions and a continent wide approach (except for Sweden - still paying a price).
 
Rogue Valley said:
The "50 different state solutions" policy obviously hasn't worked. Just ask Florida, Texas, Georgia, and Arizona how things are going these days.

Three months ago they were scoffing at New York, New Jersey, and Michigan. Now the COVID worm has turned because they listened to Trump and lacked discipline..

The EU didn't flatten their numbers with everyone doing whatever they wanted. There was unified actions and a continent wide approach (except for Sweden - still paying a price).
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Why would Minot, ND follow the same protocols as Mesa, AZ if they're experiencing two entirely different situations.

It's like closing ALL of I-5 in the state of Oregon because of a wreck in Portland.
 
digitusmedius said:
What gives you certainty that that means Lane Co. should just open up. In fact, the policy for the entire state of OR is to let each school district to make a range of options available to teachers and parents. So, I suspect Lane and many other OR counties will follow this schema:

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Bad attachment.

In fact, the policy for the entire state of OR is to let each school district to make a range of options available to teachers and parents.
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So Trump isn't calling the shots after all?

Thank you. My work is done here.
 
Schism said:
It's for those pretending that Trump encouraging school openings is somehow an edict.
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That would be due to the way Trump is talking about this and threatening to withhold funding for schools that don't comply with his wishes. IOW, threatening a thing he has no power to do just to help him (he thinks) re-elected.

It's for those who pretend that their states, cities, and counties aren't making the decisions based on local/regional risk assessments.
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Yeah, we covered that.

It's for those who flap their arms in an Internet forum like it's the Butterfly Effect.
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IOW, people like you.
 
Mongidig said:
I think people are going to express their anger more as this pandemic continues and the health threats inevitably start hitting more homes. I think these assholes will start to thin out as people become less tolerant of their behaviour. People are too nice right now. This is why I avoid going out. I literally growl at people who invade my space and aren't wearing masks.

Hopefully, this virus starts to thin out and we don't get to the point above.
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i hope so, too.
 
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