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Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread

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Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread

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7/11/20
Internal documents from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that fully reopening K-12 schools and universities would be the "highest risk" for the spread of coronavirus, according to a New York Times report, as President Donald Trump and his administration push for students and teachers to return in-person to classrooms. The 69-page document obtained by the Times marked "For Internal Use Only" was among materials for federal public health response teams deployed to coronavirus hotspots to help local public health officials handle the outbreak, the newspaper reported. The document was circulated this week, the Times reported, as Trump slammed the CDC guidelines around reopening schools and he, Vice President Mike Pence and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos increased their pressure on schools to fully reopen by the fall. The revelation of the documents comes as states debate whether to reopen schools amid a resurgence in coronavirus cases. Many school districts in the South, where coronavirus cases are rising, begin the school year in just a few weeks. The document mentions reopening plans from states, districts, and individual schools and universities, identifying some proposals as consistent with CDC guidance and criticizing the "noticeable gaps" in other plans.

Trump on Wednesday criticized the CDC's guidelines for safely reopening schools as "very tough" and "expensive." He wrote on Twitter Friday that "schools must be open in the Fall. Trump has also threatened to cut federal funding to schools and universities that do not reopen, though he does not have the authority to unilaterally do so. The bulk of public school funding — about 90% — comes from state and local governments. The bulk of public school funding — about 90% — comes from state and local governments while federal funding goes toward the nation's disadvantaged, low-income, and special education students. During a White House task force briefing Wednesday, Pence announced that the CDC would issue new guidance on reopening schools next week because "we just don't want the guidance to be too tough." The current guidelines, last updated in May, say the "lowest risk" setting for Covid-19 spread is virtual-only learning options, while listing full-sized, in-person classes that lack social distancing as the "highest risk" setting.

Neither President Donald Trump nor Vice President Michael Pence have school-age children. With that, they have no problem using YOUR children as COVID lab rats.

They'll push to reopen schools too soon, just as they pushed for the now COVID infested states of Florida, Georgia, and Texas to reopen too soon.
 
Re: Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread


"we just don't want the guidance [used to protect our children] to be too tough."

Trumpco and I agree
The toughness of guidance should directly proportionate to the value of the children being risked
 
Barron's just 14yo. I can't imagine a more alien environment to be raised in (that didn't involve actual aliens, anyhow.)

It would be interesting to explore Barron's school environment. I'd wager they are following all the COVID19 protocols, and more besides.
 
How is it possible under any situation for the reopening of schools not to be the highest risk? I don't understand the significance of this article. If you stay home it's safer, if you go to school it's less safe. How less safe is going to school is the real question? I didn't see any answers in that article.
 
Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread

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Neither President Donald Trump nor Vice President Michael Pence have school-age children. With that, they have no problem using YOUR children as COVID lab rats.

They'll push to reopen schools too soon, just as they pushed for the now COVID infested states of Florida, Georgia, and Texas to reopen too soon.

All the old people should be dead from COVID by the time the new school year starts, so that seems like a good time to begin killing off the country's children.
 
Stupid assholes are putting my family at risk. I'm angry about it.
 
How is it possible under any situation for the reopening of schools not to be the highest risk? I don't understand the significance of this article. If you stay home it's safer, if you go to school it's less safe. How less safe is going to school is the real question? I didn't see any answers in that article.

The CDC categorizes the risk as "highest," I don't understand what your confusion is.

It's the perfect storm:

Children (already germ factories)
Close proximity
Indoors
Extended period
Every day
Poor ventilation
Poor health monitoring
 
How is it possible under any situation for the reopening of schools not to be the highest risk? I don't understand the significance of this article. If you stay home it's safer, if you go to school it's less safe. How less safe is going to school is the real question? I didn't see any answers in that article.

The CDC issued guidelines for the reopening of businesses. Trump told the states to ignore them. Now the US's COVID situation is worse than it was in April and May. Until we can meet the scientific guidelines for opening business, reopening schools should be off the table. This is so unbelievably stupid to anyone who is not a Trumpist. Not only have we plunged the entire country into the burning building, but the administration wants to specifically sacrifice school children.
 
NYT editorial board calls for the reopening of schools with help from federal government's 'checkbook' | thehill.com

The New York Times editorial board is calling for schools to reopen in the fall, with the caveat that school systems need the federal government to open its checkbook to make it work.

In an editorial published Saturday, the board advocated for children to return to the classrooms, saying that they “need food and friendships; books and basketball courts; time away from family and a safe place to spend it.”

The board said that in order maximize in-person instruction, "the federal government must open its checkbook," citing an estimate from the School Superintendents Association that found necessary protective measures would cost an average of about $1.8 million per school district across the U.S.

The Gray Lady, Newspaper of Record is calling for schools to open.

The New York Times has spoken.
 
Stupid assholes are putting my family at risk. I'm angry about it.

Keep your kid at home, hide in the kitchen until November.
 
The CDC issued guidelines for the reopening of businesses. Trump told the states to ignore them. Now the US's COVID situation is worse than it was in April and May. Until we can meet the scientific guidelines for opening business, reopening schools should be off the table. This is so unbelievably stupid to anyone who is not a Trumpist. Not only have we plunged the entire country into the burning building, but the administration wants to specifically sacrifice school children.

States make their own decisions.

You think Oregon is making decisions based on Trump? LOL!

Stop with the drama.
 
The CDC categorizes the risk as "highest," I don't understand what your confusion is.

It's the perfect storm:

Children (already germ factories)
Close proximity
Indoors
Extended period
Every day
Poor ventilation
Poor health monitoring

I'd add "mask compliance over a 6-8hr period: 0"
 
States make their own decisions.

You think Oregon is making decisions based on Trump? LOL!

Stop with the drama.

Correction: States should make their own decisions.

Trump and his incompetent administration, on their weekly tirade against states' rights that Republicans conveniently abandoned in order to suck on Trump's asshole, have already threatened to withhold federal funds if states don't make the decisions the federal government wants them to make.

I'm not being dramatic. I'm just watching in real time the destruction of the government, the wanton disregard for human life, the petty tantrums of a petulant tyrant, and the giddiness of his supporters who have nothing to live for except worshiping him and annoying liberals.
 
Keep your kid at home, hide in the kitchen until November.

Send your kid (if you even have one of school age) right into the virus pool. You can always blame Dems for your stupidity if he/she gets sick, right?
 
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Barron's just 14yo. I can't imagine a more alien environment to be raised in (that didn't involve actual aliens, anyhow.)

It would be interesting to explore Barron's school environment. I'd wager they are following all the COVID19 protocols, and more besides.[/QUOTE)

You can also bet that his school is NOTHING like a public school
and he won't be exposed to anything or anybody that has been infected or near anybody else that has
Have a nice afternoon
 
Correction: States should make their own decisions.

Trump and his incompetent administration, on their weekly tirade against states' rights that Republicans conveniently abandoned in order to suck on Trump's asshole, have already threatened to withhold federal funds if states don't make the decisions the federal government wants them to make.

I'm not being dramatic. I'm just watching in real time the destruction of the government, the wanton disregard for human life, the petty tantrums of a petulant tyrant, and the giddiness of his supporters who have nothing to live for except worshiping him and annoying liberals.

Looks like you touched a Cult nerve although since it's a bundle of exposed raw nerves that isn't very hard to do.
 
How is it possible under any situation for the reopening of schools not to be the highest risk? I don't understand the significance of this article. If you stay home it's safer, if you go to school it's less safe. How less safe is going to school is the real question? I didn't see any answers in that article.

Frankly, I don't think we know. I haven't seen any definitive studies on this, probably because it's still largely unexplored territory.

Europe and other places, like New Zealand, are moving ahead with reopening, but that's after they pretty much got the virus under control. In contrast, our epidemic is still expanding.

The only reason I can see for Trump pushing forward into the unknown is that he is panicked about his reelection.

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Correction: States should make their own decisions.

Trump and his incompetent administration, on their weekly tirade against states' rights that Republicans conveniently abandoned in order to suck on Trump's asshole, have already threatened to withhold federal funds if states don't make the decisions the federal government wants them to make.

I'm not being dramatic. I'm just watching in real time the destruction of the government, the wanton disregard for human life, the petty tantrums of a petulant tyrant, and the giddiness of his supporters who have nothing to live for except worshiping him and annoying liberals.

well that is what he does.
he does something and makes the states do what he wants and if they don't he tries to with hold funding for important things
and after he gets his way , or things aren't going like he wanted them to he hands control back to the states so he can blame what ever it is is not working because the states did this or that
anything to push the blame off on somebody else
Have a nice afternoon
 
Send your kid (or do you not even have one of school age) right into the virus pool.

Our daughter is an E-5 in the Navy.

However, if we had a school aged child, it would depend on what's happening in our area. For example, if there is an increase of COVID infections in Miami, it doesn't mean Fort Collins, CO or Casper, WY need to shut down schools.

A blanket policy just doesn't work in this situation. If the problem is in Tucson, AZ then they may need to scale back or scale down their plans.

This is issue for states and local officials to work out what's best for their citizens.
 
The CDC categorizes the risk as "highest," I don't understand what your confusion is.

It's the perfect storm:

Children (already germ factories)
Close proximity
Indoors
Extended period
Every day
Poor ventilation
Poor health monitoring

I get the risks. The way I'm reading the article is they are comparing the risk of not opening to opening. Obviously opening is the highest risk. Are they comparing the opening of schools to large indoor gatherings with no masks? or people cramming into bars without masks?

Is this article implying that opening schools creates the highest risk of spread throughout the country?

I understand the risks. I want to understand the context.
 
Frankly, I don't think we know. I haven't seen any definitive studies on this, probably because it's still largely unexplored territory.

Europe and other places, like New Zealand, are moving ahead with reopening, but that's after they pretty much got the virus under control. In contrast, our epidemic is still expanding.

The only reason I can see for Trump pushing forward into the unknown is that he is panicked about his reelection.

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I think it's common knowledge that at this point every decision Trump is making is about the election.

I agree we are in uncharted territory regarding opening schools and what we know about it. I think a flexible approach is what is needed. The school districts need to be prepared to go back to virtual learning quickly if things go bad. I think a delay in reopening makes sense in certain parts of the country right now.
 
Looks like you touched a Cult nerve although since it's a bundle of exposed raw nerves that isn't very hard to do.

That "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone" thing seemed hyperbolic when Trump said it, but there is literally nothing he could do that could cause the cult to withdraw its support or even criticize him. A monthly sound bite from Lindsey Graham doesn't count when he just stays in line, supports the president, and votes with him anyway. Unborn babies' lives ought to be protected at any expense no matter what, but let's throw tens of millions of American children into COVID petri dishes and hope Trump gets reelected before they're all dead. These are foul non-humans.
 
well that is what he does.
he does something and makes the states do what he wants and if they don't he tries to with hold funding for important things
and after he gets his way , or things aren't going like he wanted them to he hands control back to the states so he can blame what ever it is is not working because the states did this or that
anything to push the blame off on somebody else
Have a nice afternoon

The problem (one of billions with Trump) is that the stakes are increasing. He threatened states over his nonexistent wall. Then he threatened states with sanctuary cities. Then he threatened them if they didn't reopen their bowling alleys and massage parlors. I'm skipping dozens of other examples, of course, but now we're talking about the lives of American children. For no other reason in the world -- and I am positive of this -- than to increase his chances for reelection, he wants to put our children's lives in grave danger. And you know what's especially repulsive? His supporters want to risk their own children's lives because they are incapable of standing up to Trump and having independent thoughts. They would rather bury their offspring than oppose Trump. I saw a bar owner in TX encouraging drinkers to bring their children to her bar over the Independence Holiday holiday. And they did! If these are not the traits of dangerous, dumb people who have lost all credibility, then there are none.
 
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