• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

The US is diving into a dark Covid hole -- and there's no plan to get out

Rogue Valley

Rogue Valley

Lead or get out of the way
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
94,313
Reaction score
82,703
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
The US is diving into a dark Covid hole -- and there's no plan to get out

CASES0710-701x510.jpg

As is painfully obvious, COVID hasn't simply disappeared as Trump asserted it would do.

7/10/20
As the US plunges into an ever deeper coronavirus morass, setting record new infection rates and the death curve begins to rise again, there's no prospect of the nightmare ending for months. Delusion dominates an administration that perversely claims the United States is the world leader in beating this modern day plague. There are only contradictions, obfuscations and confusion from the federal officials who ought to be charting a national course. The massive integrated testing and tracing effort that could highlight and isolate infection epicenters doesn't exist. Attempts to reopen schools in a few weeks are already descending into farce amid conflicting messages from Washington. Amid all of this, the coronavirus task force does not hold daily briefings, and when it does, they are an exercise in dodging difficult questions and self-congratulation. Months into the worst domestic crisis since World War II, there is no sense that a fractured country is pulling together to confront a common enemy. People are still arguing about wearing masks -- a tiny infringement of personal freedoms that represents one of the few hopes of easing the contagion. The one federal official who does seem to have answers, Dr. Anthony Fauci, has been banished to the podcast circuit by President Donald Trump.

It's unimaginable that any other modern President would have handled things this way. Most would have thrown every federal government dollar, resource and expert at it. But Trump appears to believe his reelection relies on creating an alternative reality in which tens of thousands of Americans -- now mostly in states where he is overwhelmingly popular -- are not being infected rather than actually beating back the pandemic. He keeps insisting falsely that the only reason the US has more cases is because it is doing more testing -- raising questions as to whether he truly understands the situation or is being deliberately obtuse. The President's claim that 99% of Covid cases are harmless is not only false, it's an insult to the death and sickness left in the wake of the virus. Staggeringly, the United States -- the world's richest nation that has just over 4% of the planet's population -- has a quarter of global cases of Covid-19 and nearly a quarter of the deaths. Aggressive testing and tracing operations have kept a lid on the pandemic in South Korea and allowed officials in Singapore and Germany to quickly snuff out hotspots. There is no sign that such competence will soon arrive in the US. The administration, which has offloaded responsibility for fighting the virus to states, doesn't appear to have the desire or capacity to build any such system.
Click to expand...

Because the Trump administration resorted to disinformation and politically expedient shortcuts, the United States is the poster child for what not to do regarding the coronavirus.

Re-closing states again will perhaps mortally wound our economy. Sports is probably gone until a vaccine is approved. The impending school year may end shortly after it begins.

Rather than leave no stone unturned to heal the nation, Donald Trump simply walked away. "I take no responsibility."
 
Fearmongers fearmongering.

The reason many have retreated to the "7-day trend line" metric is because it's the most dramatic looking metric left. Sorry, Charlie. We will never shut down to satisfy the scaredy-cat class ever again.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Fearmongers fearmongering.

The reason many have retreated to the "7-day trend line" metric is because it's the most dramatic looking metric left. Sorry, Charlie. We will never shut down to satisfy the scaredy-cat class ever again.
Click to expand...

Let's see how you feel when you test positive...
 
beefheart said:
Let's see how you feel when you test positive...
Click to expand...

I might not feel anything. Most cases are asymptomatic.

The death rates are not much worse than flu. Deadly pathogens have been and will continue to be a fact of life and a risk of being in the world. And the risk profile curves profoundly to the already old and sick.

Them's the facts. If you're scared, crawl in a hold and stay there.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Fearmongers fearmongering.

The reason many have retreated to the "7-day trend line" metric is because it's the most dramatic looking metric left. Sorry, Charlie. We will never shut down to satisfy the scaredy-cat class ever again.
Click to expand...

3,250,704 Total cases in u.s alone

136,158 Dead.

This virus has has caused more American deaths than the numbers of Americans killed by combat in both Vietnam and world war 1 combined
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
3,250,704 Total cases in u.s alone

136,158 Dead.

This virus has has caused more American deaths than the numbers of Americans killed by combat in both Vietnam and world war 1 combined
Click to expand...

30,000 people die from hunger every day in the world, the flu kills anywhere between 30-60K in the US yearly, so I guess they both beat Vietnam and WW1 too.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
3,250,704 Total cases in u.s alone

136,158 Dead.

This virus has has caused more American deaths than the numbers of Americans killed by combat in both Vietnam and world war 1 combined
Click to expand...

And? People die of heart disease, influenza, diabetes, car crashes, household falls, allergic reactions, etc., etc., etc. ....

The question isn't whether COVID is deadly and worth trying to mitigate -- it is! But shutdowns and sabotaging every other aspect of society is NOT warranted.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The US is diving into a dark Covid hole -- and there's no plan to get out

CASES0710-701x510.jpg

As is painfully obvious, COVID hasn't simply disappeared as Trump asserted it would do.



Because the Trump administration resorted to disinformation and politically expedient shortcuts, the United States is the poster child for what not to do regarding the coronavirus.

Re-closing states again will perhaps mortally wound our economy. Sports is probably gone until a vaccine is approved. The impending school year may end shortly after it begins.

Rather than leave no stone unturned to heal the nation, Donald Trump simply walked away. "I take no responsibility."
Click to expand...

I don’t think the impending school year is going to start. Certainly not if there is another two weeks of this.

And at kitchen tables all over America, that will leave millions wondering where the real leadership is.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I might not feel anything. Most cases are asymptomatic.

The death rates are not much worse than flu. Deadly pathogens have been and will continue to be a fact of life and a risk of being in the world. And the risk profile curves profoundly to the already old and sick.

Them's the facts. If you're scared, crawl in a hold and stay there.
Click to expand...

Only thing I am scared of is people like you pushing a bunch of garbage.
 
beefheart said:
Only thing I am scared of is people like you pushing a bunch of garbage.
Click to expand...

Agreed. If people would actually follow guidelines instead of pushing back on the guidelines because of perceived freedoms (clearly they are ignoring the 10th amendment), we would not be in this mess.
 
Last edited:
Xilnik said:
Agreed. If people would actually follow guidelines instead of pushing back on the guidelines because of perceived freedoms (clearly they are ignoring the 10th amendment), we would not be in this mess.
Click to expand...

Everyone talks tough, until they find out they are positive....
 
beefheart said:
Only thing I am scared of is people like you pushing a bunch of garbage.
Click to expand...

You mean thinking people who use evidence? Yeah, you should be scared of us -- you can't gaslight us so easily.

Here's worldwide stats.

In my state, less than 6% of all deaths are people under 60.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Fearmongers fearmongering.

The reason many have retreated to the "7-day trend line" metric is because it's the most dramatic looking metric left. Sorry, Charlie. We will never shut down to satisfy the scaredy-cat class ever again.
Click to expand...

One thing that's apparent after watching you post for the past 6 months.

You're certainly no Liberal. Not even slightly.
 
Xilnik said:
Agreed. If people would actually follow guidelines instead of pushing back on the guidelines because of perceived freedoms (clearly they are ignoring the 10th amendment), we would not be in this mess.
Click to expand...

They push back on the guidelines because Trump tells them to push back.

They're lemmings. Each and every one
 
Rogue Valley said:
One thing that's apparent after watching you post for the past 6 months.

You're certainly no Liberal. Not even slightly.
Click to expand...

Nonsense. I'm just not a race-obsessed authoritarian, which is where the new left wants to go, apparently.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Fearmongers fearmongering.

The reason many have retreated to the "7-day trend line" metric is because it's the most dramatic looking metric left. Sorry, Charlie. We will never shut down to satisfy the scaredy-cat class ever again.
Click to expand...

I'm pretty sure its not about being a "scaredy-cat." Simple awareness and precaution is about wisdom, not cowardice. Simple adherence to health expert guidelines would have helped the economy and increased the speed of recovery. A simple program to provide vendors with N95 masks long ago would have gone a long way to keep businesses open, while protecting workers. Alas, if only we were the richest country in history.

But what is a senseless defiance of wisdom? I have no idea what one might want to call that. But let's look at the current map:

_113297989_usmapcases_jh_8jul-nc.jpg

All hail the idiot south's red-state "bravery" and their need to look blindly and irresponsibly loyal to the idiot in the White House who's only guidance to the country was to open with reckless abandonment, causing some to start rolling back and pro-longing that economic recovery.


* And do you know what the curious side note might be at the end of the year? How much less flu and other sicknesses might this country see with much of the population already wearing masks, decreasing money spent on health issues. Meh, like you implied, true bravery is exposing yourself to disease.
 
Last edited:
Rogue Valley said:
They push back on the guidelines because Trump tells them to push back.

They're lemmings. Each and every one
Click to expand...

Trump did not seem to be familiar with the 10th amendment either. He believed he could dictate how states reacted to the pandemic and when they would open up again.
 
MSgt said:
I'm pretty sure its not about being a "scaredy-cat." Simple awareness and precaution is about wisdom, not cowardice. Simple adherence to health expert guidelines would have helped the economy and increased the speed of recovery. A simple program to provide vendors with N95 masks long ago would have gone a long way to keep businesses open, while protecting workers.

Which means that senseless defiance is not about wisdom, is it? I have no idea what one would call this. But let's look at the current map:

View attachment 67286841

All hail the idiot south's red-state "bravery" and their need to look blindly and irresponsibly loyal to the idiot in the White House.

And do you know what the curious thing will be at the end of the year? How much less flu and other sicknesses might this country see with much of the population already wearing masks? Meh, like you implied, true bravery is exposing yourself to disease.
Click to expand...

Once again, you're using a chosen to highlight the narrative. The overall numbers are far better than they were earlier in the year, when NYC's outbreak was at its peak. The virus has proven to be less deadly than first was feared. And we successfully "flattened the curve" and prevented the collapse of our health care system, which was the ONLY reason for lockdowns.

The rest of this is BS fearmongering.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Once again, you're using a chosen to highlight the narrative. The overall numbers are far better than they were earlier in the year, when NYC's outbreak was at its peak.
Click to expand...

A lie. We have lately been setting daily records.

California, Texas and Florida now count more cumulative cases than New Jersey, which had the second-most cases after New York since the disease took hold in the U.S. With cases growing extremely fast in the "second wave" states, case counts in the "first wave" states of the Northeast could soon pale in comparison.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

And with deaths occurring about three weeks after infection, the number of deaths after this reckless abandonment are still to come.

GhostlyJoe said:
The virus has proven to be less deadly than first was feared.
Click to expand...

Thanks to a nation that agreed to social distancing requirements and the wear of masks. Strange how you people always want to skip the remedy part of this equation.

GhostlyJoe said:
And we successfully "flattened the curve" and prevented the collapse of our health care system, which was the ONLY reason for lockdowns.
Click to expand...

Another lie. Some states began "flattening the curve" back in April and May. Nationally, we have never flattened the curve and the recent explosion among idiot states, not only proves this, but they have made matters worse. These idiot states began to re-open with reckless abandonment, as per your President's guidance and bullying. "Flattening the curve" is a Trump message that presents a lie. At least own who you clearly are. It makes no sense to "flatten the curve" in some states throughout April and May, only to then throw caution away on a national level.

I guess this is another "mission accomplished" moment for conservatives.


GhostlyJoe said:
The rest of this is BS fearmongering.
Click to expand...

...Said plenty who died believing this was just a "hoax."
 
Last edited:
MSgt said:
A lie. We have lately been setting daily records. And with deaths occurring about three weeks after infection, those numbers are coming.




Thanks to a nation that agreed to social distancing requirements and the wear of masks. Strange how you people always want to skip the remedy part of this equation.



Another lie. Some states began "flattening the curve" back in April and May. Nationally, we have never flattened the curve and the recent explosion among idiot states, not only proves this, but they have made matters worse. These idiot states began to re-open with reckless abandonment, as per your President's guidance and bullying. "Flattening the curve" is a Trump message that presents a lie. At least own who you clearly are. It makes no sense to "flatten the curve" in some states throughout April and May, only to then throw caution away on a national level. I guess this is another "mission accomplished" moment for conservatives.




Said plenty who died believing this was just a "hoax."
Click to expand...

No lockdowns. No matter how scared you are. You're just gonna have to accept there is a virus out there with a less than 1% real-world mortality rate. Stop shaking in your boots.
 
Xilnik said:
Agreed. If people would actually follow guidelines instead of pushing back on the guidelines because of perceived freedoms (clearly they are ignoring the 10th amendment), we would not be in this mess.
Click to expand...

And like their idiot golden idol trump, they have all doubled down on stupidity.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
No lockdowns. No matter how scared you are. You're just gonna have to accept there is a virus out there with a less than 1% real-world mortality rate. Stop shaking in your boots.
Click to expand...

Yep, totally out of the Trump playbook. Can't do anything abut it just have to live with it, while completely ignoring the successes around the world in fighting this.
Of course anything else would be an admission of failure, and we know the Cult will never do that.
 
SCrider said:
And like their idiot golden idol trump, they have all doubled down on stupidity.
Click to expand...

Wait till they get it. They won't sound so macho
 
SCrider said:
Yep, totally out of the Trump playbook. Can't do anything abut it just have to live with it, while completely ignoring the successes around the world in fighting this.
Of course anything else would be an admission of failure, and we know the Cult will never do that.
Click to expand...

Can't do anything? No.

Can't bow to every authoritarian whim of weird liberals? Yes.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom