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41% school dropout rate. 0% Death Rate

Online schools that were going well before the pandemic teach virtually, in a classroom setting, with a teacher live teaching the students. There aren't just videos, it's live. They take attendance and have a class just like you are in a classroom. Just transfer if your schools a mess. You can always transfer back later.

If kids are going to do that poorly schooling online, they probably are going to do just as poorly at a brick and mortar school and get in trouble often. Some kids aren't interested in school, there are many great trades where they are hands-on and make decent money. Nothing wrong with that. As a parent we can guide but in the end it's up to the individual to take the challenges on that will shape their lives.
 
ClaraD said:
The 17 year old who just died after her mom intentionally infected her with Covid19 wasn't old.
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Couldn't have been anything to do with the 17 year old being morbidly obese?

Yeah, me thinks Covid was the least of that one's health problems. How does a 17 year old even get that fat?

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joko104 said:
In MOST societies, the concept was the older generation sacrifices for the younger generation, parents sacrifice for their children, advance the children.

But NOT in the USA. In the USA children are sacrificed for the old people. What do they care about kids when they become adults and trying to raise their own family. All that matters are old people. After all, why should they care about what happens to their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren after they die of old age. The USA only exists for them. So do the children.

Kids can't vote anyway so who gives a rats ass about kids in politics?

Sacrifice the children to save us old people! - the apparently majority opinion of the old people on this forum. Screw kids, save me!
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Who is saying sacrifice kids? What is being said is we have to have an all inclusive plan. We can't sacrifice one demographic or some part of the economy for this pandemic great fear. When you have a virus that is not even in the top causes of death in America but you want to shut down the country for it, something is wrong and it's politics.
 
Court Jester said:
Couldn't have been anything to do with the 17 year old being morbidly obese?

Yeah, me thinks Covid was the least of that one's health problems. How does a 17 year old even get that fat?

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What the hell is the matter with you?


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joko104 said:
On NPR I heard a Democratic politician ranting that Florida schools should not reopen "until every single person is tested." Interpretation: No, education is irrelevant for children and their future.

Teen drop out rate with virtual schooling: 41% - never attended 1 online class.

Coronavirus: 4 In 10 U.S. Teens Report Not Doing Online Learning : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

In California the death rate of school age kids from covid-19 is ZERO.

COVID-19 Cases by Age Group

NONE of you ranting that the USA and schools should stay shut down week after month after month after month after month after month - should NEVER talk about educating children again since you all completely don't give a damn about education and have no problem destroying millions of American kids lives.
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I am sure that it is bad in the USA.... in my online classes I would say that it is way worse than that... these are classes we had months ago when we were locked down.. I would say that as much as 15% of kids were doing their assignments and checking in regularly to our Google Classrooms... I Had about 150 students and I heard from 7 parents about how there kids were dong.
 
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joko104 said:
Having the children go to school is the ONLY solution. Most parents lack the skill, knowledge, and economic ability to be their kid's teacher OR police their children when not at home - and are not willing to live in a car with their children waiting for next Thursday when the food bank might have more food for them.

Teaching kids to be anti-social, isolated alone, and having no regular study skills development is massively harmful to children.
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No its not the only solution. Many parents have skills and resources, in some form or another to go through even 6 more months of online schooling or a hybrid alternative of online and classroom alternating. Children are very resilient. Especially if we help them.

Those parents or students who may have the most difficulty can be identified and assisted more by the school systems, providing them help they do need. This can be accomplished by giving school systems needed funding in this national emergency situation.

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ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... maybe public K-12 education should be deemed 'essential' and thus kept open for "business" since folks are still responsible for paying school taxes. When Walmart added self checkout lanes they also stopped paying as many cashiers - maybe it's time to stop paying state education system employees who are not producing the new online (home schooling?) content. Perhaps that tax money could then be used to supply those parents with the required goods/services to become proper "home schoolers".
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Walmart was able to limit the numbers of persons in the store at a given time during the pandemic
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In Michigan large box stores were only allowed to have 4 customers per 1,000 square feet of costumer floor space.

That was to help with social distancing.

In order to allow social distancing in most class rooms the number of students would need to cut to 10 or 11 class rooms students instead of the average 28 or 29 students. Where will schools get all those extra classrooms and all the extra teachers to teach in class instruction?
 
Casper said:
Here in DFW, the schools provided laptops and internet service for the kids. You were saying.
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The same thing happened in Michigan when Schools were closed in March.
 
Casper said:
That I don't believe you are working 70 hours a week, not on a regular basis you aren't.
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Well, most all of us are. We are doing 30-40% increased business, with reduced or untrained staff, since, if anyone has ANY flu like symptoms, they stay home for 2 weeks, or until a negative test is shown. And many other team members are out to self quarantine due to fear.
 
minnie616 said:
Walmart was able to limit the numbers of persons in the store at a given time during the pandemic
lock down.


In Michigan large box stores were only allowed to have 4 customers per 1,000 square feet of costumer floor space.

That was to help with social distancing.

In order to allow social distancing in most class rooms the number of students would need to cut to 10 or 11 class rooms students instead of the average 28 or 29 students. Where will schools get all those extra classrooms and all the extra teachers to teach in class instruction?
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Have 10 students per class and cycle them by day of the week. Wednesday’s child is full of woe, Thursday's child had far to go.
 
minnie616 said:
Walmart was able to limit the numbers of persons in the store at a given time during the pandemic
lock down.


In Michigan large box stores were only allowed to have 4 customers per 1,000 square feet of costumer floor space.

That was to help with social distancing.

In order to allow social distancing in most class rooms the number of students would need to cut to 10 or 11 class rooms students instead of the average 28 or 29 students. Where will schools get all those extra classrooms and all the extra teachers to teach in class instruction?
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They won't. Those classrooms will be reserved for those who need it most.
 
minnie616 said:
The same thing happened in Michigan when Schools were closed in March.
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CT as well.

Now, when both parents work fulltime jobs, who conducts the education, which consisted of YouTube videos?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That's a start, but how were they paid for? It should be far less expensive to provide an online "classroom" for the DFW K-12 students than to have the massive infrastructure (and staff) previously 'required' to transport, house, feed and entertain those students.
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Actually not having to pay for busing while students were home most likely Did help pay for the deeply dicounted internet devices. Now most of the children In the Michigan school already have them.

We would only need to supply new ones for new students to Michigan public schools in the fall if schools were unable to open for
In class instruction.
 
minnie616 said:
Walmart was able to limit the numbers of persons in the store at a given time during the pandemic
lock down.


In Michigan large box stores were only allowed to have 4 customers per 1,000 square feet of costumer floor space.

That was to help with social distancing.

In order to allow social distancing in most class rooms the number of students would need to cut to 10 or 11 class rooms students instead of the average 28 or 29 students. Where will schools get all those extra classrooms and all the extra teachers to teach in class instruction?
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They won't - there is no practical way to immediately double or triple the number of classrooms or shifts using the existing classrooms.
 
minnie616 said:
Actually not having to pay for busing while students were home most likely Did help pay for the deeply dicounted internet devices. Now most of the children In the Michigan school already have them.

We would only need to supply new ones for new students to Michigan public schools in the fall if schools were unable to open for
In class instruction.
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Hmm... what happened to the added costs of providing day care for those kids and/or delivering them meals? BTW, internet devices are relatively inexpensive - it's the monthly internet service provider (or day care facility) fees that cost quite a bit.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Mom and/or Dad is expected to work at the same time as ensure that their child(ren) is doing their school work and serve as school aide. Mom and/or Dad is worried about whether or not they will be able to work or maintain their employment and are worried about the health of their family members and peers, not to mention their own health. As a result, they also have mental health concerns developing, if not real concerns surrounding their physical health brought by the pandemic. Meanwhile the child(ren) are stressed and are dealing with the mental health fallout of being worried about the health of their family members and/or their peers.

Mom and/or Dad aren't dropping the ball. It's a pandemic.
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Exactly we are dealing with a pandemic and if schools need to be closed because the spread of Covid 19 is too high in a certain state or area of the state we must find an alternative to care for the school age children with teaching them remotely.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
They won't - there is no practical way to immediately double or triple the number of classrooms or shifts using the existing classrooms.
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The Ed Depts across the US have to be working on online "classroom", let alone online classes and online work, to come anywhere near making any of this succeed. Such would include getting laptops to students who need them with funding from the Fed govt. In any event, more teachers will be needed.
 
bluesmoke said:
The Ed Depts across the US have to be working on online "classroom", let alone online classes and online work, to come anywhere near making any of this succeed. Such would include getting laptops to students who need them with funding from the Fed govt. In any event, more teachers will be needed.
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How, exactly, is the federal government going to fund more (of anything) when it is now (FY2020) running huge ($3T?) annual deficits?
 
KevinKohler said:
Well, rule out grandparents...the entire point is to isolate them to keep them safe.
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That’s why licensed day care for essential workers who need it along with remote learning for school age children if schools have be closed because of High Covid 19 spread in a certain state or a certain region of a state.
 
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AJG said:
Online learning is indeed becoming a huge problem. My mom is a teacher of special needs students, and many of them can't or won't attend meetings for various reasons. The kids who need the most attention aren't getting what they need, and they will suffer the most from this. I'm not particularly concerned with the safety of students, but many teachers and parents are old enough where covid can be quite dangerous. For that reason, we need to do whatever we can to get this virus under control, and ensure we're doing whatever we can to keep schools safe. I think for at risk teachers/students/students of at risk parents, online learning/teaching still needs to be an option. And mandating kids distance them selves by only 3 feet is not enough. I also think that if possible, classes and activities should be held outside, since there's a much lower risk than having them indoors.
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I agree with most of post. However in Northern states it would be too cold in late fall and the winter to hold classes outside.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Or, it could just be that there is no "universal deception", and those in the public sector that are working to curb the impact of this pandemic are not engaged in anything nefarious, but rather are just trying to do their jobs, thus those that claim a "universal deception", sound like raving lunatics.
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Or, you could be wrong.

If you really believe there is no universal deception in this day and age, you are woefully uninformed. This is still the Age of Snowden, if you remember what he showed us.

Maybe not you, but I've lived in the Age of Ellsberg and what he showed us.

That you might not know we have all been deceived for decades at least would explain much. :peace
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Basically, yes. Students not participating in online "alternative" K-12 public education (which you seem to have transformed into "home schooling") is indeed akin to dropping out.
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Great parenting going on.
 
holbritter said:
Great parenting going on.
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Perhaps, but for some it's likely to be a budgeting issue. The parent(s) may lack the ability to spend 6-8 hours daily supervising their child's education (because they must work full-time outside of their home) and/or they lack the funds to supply the hardware and internet service required.
 
joko104 said:
Having the children go to school is the ONLY solution. Most parents lack the skill, knowledge, and economic ability to be their kid's teacher OR police their children when not at home - and are not willing to live in a car with their children waiting for next Thursday when the food bank might have more food for them.

Teaching kids to be anti-social, isolated alone, and having no regular study skills development is massively harmful to children.
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I thought you were all for homeschooling and hated public schools
 
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