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41% school dropout rate. 0% Death Rate

minnie616 said:
The cafeteria staff stays in the building and makes up a weeks worth of lunches for the students who count on them.

To me , that means the schools are providing the lunches for the students.

If you which to make fun of my grammar than go ahead.

As long as the school children who need the free lunches still get them that’s what I care about.

Not another adult on a message board making fun of the way I phased /structured my sentence.
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You did not "structure the sentence" in your link. I was merely pointing out what it actually said - not what you thought that it could/should mean. You seem quite reluctant to admit that things which are reported as being planned and/or proposed does not mean that they will surely be implemented.
 
joko104 said:
Children need to be in school for social skills development so they don't end up like so many reclusive, bitter, doom-and-gloom hate and fear mongering anti-social old Democrats are.
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I’ll wager you are the “life of the party” when folks get together............
 
roguenuke said:
Or we could do more to encourage extended families and utilizing resources like grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, sisters, brothers, etc. I understand that not everyone has those other available family members, but that could at least help some.

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You mean the government orders them to or be fined and jailed, correct?

Otherwise how do "we" encourage them to do so? By "we" you mean the government, right?

Why not "defund" schools, school administrators and teachers - and give the money to parents - based upon their kids school performance. Rather than spending $10,000 to $20,000 per student, just make that an economic reward to parents who were high school dropouts teaching their children calculus? Everyone knows it is just a joke going to college to be a teacher. ANYONE is 100% qualified to teach any course. They don't even need to be literate.

Then teachers and school administrators could go be doctors, lab techs, surgeons and scientists finding a vaccination? Or working part time at grocery stores and WalMart, sanitation workers at the landfill and other essential jobs when enough doctor and surgeon positions have been filled. We could solve two problems at the same time. Instantly having as few as 1 one student per teacher - while instantly eliminating all shortages in the healthcare field with former school workers. Janitor would instead report to operate the CAT scan and x-ray machines as soon as this coming Monday with such a plan.
 
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joko104 said:
You mean the government orders them to or be fined and jailed, correct?

Otherwise how do "we" encourage them to do so? By "we" you mean the government, right?

Why not "defund" schools, school administrators and teachers - and give the money to parents - based upon their kids school performance. Rather than spending $10,000 to $20,000 per student, just make that an economic reward to parents who were high school dropouts teaching their children calculus?

Then teachers and school administrators could go be doctors, lab techs, surgeons and scientists finding a vaccination? Or working part time at grocery stores and WalMart, sanitation workers at the landfill and other essential jobs when enough doctor and surgeon positions have been filled. We could solve two problems at the same time. Instantly having a few as 1 teacher per student - while instantly eliminating all shortages in the healthcare field.
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We ask about availability. We offer alternatives. Instead of stressing a nuclear family, as I've seen pushed on this site, we show the benefits of extended families, when available and practical for the situation.

Another thing that would be helpful is to lose the hyperbole, the nonsense. Giving real solutions rather than simply complaining.

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jaeger19 said:
A red state.
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You're so paranoid you are afraid to say what state you are in? Definitely a progressive Democrat. I'm in Florida on the Natural West Coast.
 
Fiddytree said:
I'm struggling to see your point. We can accept that the President failed to take his job seriously and hampered the efforts of the federal government to do so. However, he and we were still going to find ourselves facing lockdowns, which put people in precisely the same struggles that were already mentioned. Those same struggles were not the fault of families, as you had claimed. Likewise, you made online learning seem so uniform, so effortless, when it most certainly was not. It was not easy for the teachers who had to scramble to make courses in two weeks, it was not easy for the parents who had to still be on their game (either at home or out in the community) to get paid, and it was not easy for the students, many of whom were unengaged, stressed out, or were in need of additional services that would have ordinarily been provided in the school building or in the community but had little to access to them. Then there were scores of families who were economically disadvantaged who had no previous technology or internet access and were cut off of from their education, having to spend extra time trying to connect with district staff to find a workaround or have one provided to them by the district. I'm not saying individual schools or districts didn't screw up, because a number of them did. Trust me. We were working to try to address some of the systemic stuff we saw going on (a district that put up with nicer schools giving their kids technology, but same district was cool with a school serving a lot of poor people no technology and expecting families to participate) in some districts and were aware of the homework pile-on other teachers put in the laps of families.

Is it any wonder that a lot of families said they had to stop? Is it any wonder that many districts and teachers said they were going to be taking it easy on students?

You're looking for a target to blame (first: parents, second: Trump) instead of seeing this for what it was: something extraordinary that was thrust on the American people with not enough warning and not enough capability to respond to it--even if the President and his administration got their stuff figured out.
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Yes were are nothing but a poor 3rd world nation without the capabilities of the economic titans of the E.U. and Asia. Is that the excuse you are making? Too bad we spend more on healthcare than any other nation, have the best and most scientists and research institutions and cannot do better than Brazil in containing this virus. There is something missing from the equation and it is most certainly our incompetent, science denying leadership that has failed us and is still failing us while you make excuses. The lack of "enough warning" certainly comes from the top.

 
iguanaman said:
Yes were are nothing but a poor 3rd world nation without the capabilities of the titans of the E.U. Is that the excuse you are making? Too bad we spend more on healthcare than any other nation, have the best and most scientists and research institutions and cannot do better than Brazil in containing this virus. There is something missing from the equation and it is most certainly our incompetent, science denying leadership that has failed us and is still failing us while you make excuses. The lack of "enough warning" certainly comes from the top.

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Are you done yet? Because I'd like to talk about reality and education policy with the pretension that we can do this without acting like Republican or Democratic meat puppets.
 
joko104 said:
Buses with 1 child shows just how far off the deep end your messages are. 30 repeat trips per bus. Obviously you do NOT believe masks do anyone any good.

There is NEVER any consistency - always pure hypocrisy and intellectual integrity - from the radical fascist progressive side. Mask work - unless their working is against what you have teen ordered to think by the millionaire talking heads on TV who are the employees of the wealthiest people on earth tell you when they claim they don't work at all.

They work in WalMart with hundreds of people to buy made in China clothing. Masks don't work in the solo proprietorship clothing store with 1 customer - so the givernment MUST outlaw that store and destroy the owner for WalMart mega billionaires. And you say "of course, the more people jammed together for the profit of the super rich works - but not in low traffic stores and certainly not in schools with children having a death rate virtually at zero.

Since covid-19 will never disappear and you absolutely oppose establishing herd immunity via the kids - you in fact what schools and the economy shutdown - until China Joe becomes president and covid-19 will suddenly disappear - like it does for your protesters and BLM rioters.
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Dude.. not buses with one child. Buses with one child per seat. In my area..we are so rural that that already happens.. in fact.. some buses still have seats open.

And yes masks to work. Why would you claim that I don; think they do. If the kids are wearing a mask.. and they cough.. it will reduce the likelihood that larger droplets will be projected onto someone else. A mask however.. will not stop aerosoled virus in breath... and therefore if children are in close proximity to each other.. roughly within 2-3 feet for some time.. without ventilation and inside.. there is a strong likelihood of transmission.

There is NEVER any consistency - always pure hypocrisy and intellectual integrity[/QUOTE
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Actually there is remarkable consistency with the science... its just that a ton of folks are 1. To ignorant to see it and 2. Completely unwilling to be educated.

Since covid-19 will never disappear and you absolutely oppose establishing herd immunity via the kids -
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There is no "establishing herd immunity with the kids"... unless you are willing to let a LOT of people die needlessly. Some countries have already tried that. It didn't work. They were unable to protect their vulnerable population.. and the virus didn't penetrate into society quickly enough and deep enough to grant herd immunity. All that happened was that a bunch of people died needlessly and they are going to have to go into a longer and more deep economic lockdown.

until China Joe becomes president and covid-19 will suddenly disappear -
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Hah.. fat chance. If Biden becomes president.. suddenly fox news and folks like yourself.. will flip flop from this "being like the flu".. and "do to government"..and a "political hoax"...to endlessly questioning what is Biden doing to stop covid.. and what is the government doing.. etc etc etc"...suddenly you will have forgotten completely that you believed Trump when he said this was nothing big.. that it was like the flu that 99% of people get it and feel fine.. and so on.

Suddenly fox news will be treating this like it did Ebola when Obama was president. The selective amnesia that you Trumpsters have is astounding.
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Fiddytree said:
Are you done yet? Because I'd like to talk about reality and education policy with the pretension that we can do this without acting like Republican or Democratic meat puppets.
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The reality is that the entire country needs to shut down again because the previous shutdown was rendered useless by a dangerous and misguided leadership. Do you want to talk about that?
 
joko104 said:
You're so paranoid you are afraid to say what state you are in? Definitely a progressive Democrat. I'm in Florida on the Natural West Coast.
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I own a number of businesses and my name is a matter of public record since I have a medical license. Its not being paranoid.. its being smart.

And I am a member of the republican party.
 
iguanaman said:
The reality is that the entire country needs to shut down again because the previous shutdown was rendered useless by a dangerous and misguided leadership. Do you want to talk about that?
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I think a multi-regional or national lockdown needs to be in the conversation, yes. However, that doesn't address the reality that schools are going to have to go hybrid and will have to have several plans that can be readily deployed regardless of whether or not a lockdown becomes necessary, politically feasible, or whatever have you. I also think we should go pass/fail, I think we will have to extend a moratorium on ACT/SAT entrance requirements, I think the Department of Education, in addition to delivering meaningful guidance and models for schools to employ or have in their toolbox, needs to get down to business to address guidance for one of its primary responsibilities: special education and 504.
 
joko104 said:
Children need to be in school for social skills development so they don't end up like so many reclusive, bitter, doom-and-gloom hate and fear mongering anti-social old Democrats are.
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Try to contribute something other than gaslighting rants.
 
Online learning is indeed becoming a huge problem. My mom is a teacher of special needs students, and many of them can't or won't attend meetings for various reasons. The kids who need the most attention aren't getting what they need, and they will suffer the most from this. I'm not particularly concerned with the safety of students, but many teachers and parents are old enough where covid can be quite dangerous. For that reason, we need to do whatever we can to get this virus under control, and ensure we're doing whatever we can to keep schools safe. I think for at risk teachers/students/students of at risk parents, online learning/teaching still needs to be an option. And mandating kids distance them selves by only 3 feet is not enough. I also think that if possible, classes and activities should be held outside, since there's a much lower risk than having them indoors.
 
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AJG said:
Online learning is indeed becoming a huge problem. My mom is a teacher of special needs students, and many of them can't or won't attend meetings for various reasons. The kids who need the most attention aren't getting what they need, and they will suffer the most from this. I'm not particularly concerned with the safety of students, but many teachers and parents are old enough where covid can be quite dangerous. For that reason, we need to do whatever we can to get this virus under control, and ensure we're doing whatever we can to keep schools safe. I think for at risk teachers/students/students of at risk parents, online learning/teaching still needs to be an option. And mandating kids distance them selves by only 3 feet is not enough. I also think that if possible, classes and activities should be held outside, since there's a much lower risk than having them indoors.
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It's awful and, for the most part, parents are understanding about how/why normal access to services is reduced. They don't want it to be capricious and they don't want it to linger on, and they wish things would go back to normal...but we're not in normal. I don't know about the data yet, but I am assuming ESY service requests greatly increased this year.
 
roguenuke said:
We ask about availability. We offer alternatives. Instead of stressing a nuclear family, as I've seen pushed on this site, we show the benefits of extended families, when available and practical for the situation.

Another thing that would be helpful is to lose the hyperbole, the nonsense. Giving real solutions rather than simply complaining.

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I have a solution. Put the kids back in school. There is no problem. Put in HEPA air filtration with internal intense UV light at the right wave length. Instant death to virus and bacteria. Reduce their mental function by making the wear masks for a little child abuse to satisfy your paranoia about diseased children getting you.

YOU claim that by having them stay 6 feet apart and wearing masks eliminates the danger, don't you?

Old selfish and totally ego centric adults thinking closing schools is just no big deal are disturbing and sickening to me. I can not stand people who abuse children, including using them for political purpose as in being done in the non-stop 24/7 for profit and power bio-terrorism campaign, which now is approaching torture tactics to increasing number of people by "the experts" and government NON STOP lying to them.

Nothing to worry about - don't stock up - can't last more than 2 weeks at the worse

OMG! STAY HOME! 30,000,000 of you ordered laid off, 50,000 businesses outlawed - but we'll open next month.

HA! HA! Gotja again! You are still ordered unemployed, but only 3 more weeks.

HA! HA! GOTJA AGAIN? Lost your vacation plans and money spent on it? That's what you get for believing up. But just 2 more weeks...

WHAT A RIOT! YOU FEEL FOR IT AGAIN!!!! Have we totally destroyed your family and your life yet?

OK! You can sorta open back up. Go ahead. Stock up your store. Hire people back.

MY GOD, HOW STUPID ARE YOU? YOU BELIEVED US EXPERTS AND POLITICIANS.You actually planned a wedding for your only daughter in another state and actually believed we would allow THAT to happen?! Maybe you should get disability for being mentally retarded to listen to us experts, governors and mayors. We always lie about everything.

Let's be certain to teach all children their parents, doctors and government are all 100% sadistic pathological liars. Lying as pranks even.

Your solution is nothing, just some pie-in-the-sky sloganism. "We'll get the entire family involved" because the reason it isn't is because ... (a new government program).
 
iguanaman said:
Thank you for at least acknowledging that this discussion of reopening schools is moot given the severity of our current virus situation. It s nothing but an attempt at return to "normalcy" when instead we sohuld be mobilizing to control Covid 19. It reminds me of this scene in "Animal House".

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It's not moot. It's reality. It was always going to happen. We (at least those of us who work with, in, or advocate for educational services for our jobs) had our eyeballs on this since March. Sure we thought the "full open, no hybrid, no lockdown" talk was utter nonsense, but we knew that physical school was going to be part of the 2020-2021 K-12 school year. You're being awfully daft about this. Probably because you're treating this like a piece of political theater.
 
joko104 said:
I have a solution. Put the kids back in school. There is no problem. Put in HEPA air filtration with internal intense UV light at the right wave length. Instant death to virus and bacteria. Reduce their mental function by making the wear masks for a little child abuse to satisfy your paranoia about diseased children getting you.

YOU claim that by having them stay 6 feet apart and wearing masks eliminates the danger, don't you?

Old selfish and totally ego centric adults thinking closing schools is just no big deal are disturbing and sickening to me. I can not stand people who abuse children, including using them for political purpose as in being done in the non-stop 24/7 for profit and power bio-terrorism campaign, which now is approaching torture tactics to increasing number of people by "the experts" and government NON STOP lying to them.

Nothing to worry about - don't stock up - can't last more than 2 weeks at the worse

OMG! STAY HOME! 30,000,000 of you ordered laid off, 50,000 businesses outlawed - but we'll open next month.

HA! HA! Gotja again! You are still ordered unemployed, but only 3 more weeks.

HA! HA! GOTJA AGAIN? Lost your vacation plans and money spent on it? That's what you get for believing up. But just 2 more weeks...

WHAT A RIOT! YOU FEEL FOR IT AGAIN!!!! Have we totally destroyed your family and your life yet?

OK! You can sorta open back up. Go ahead. Stock up your store. Hire people back.

MY GOD, HOW STUPID ARE YOU? YOU BELIEVED US EXPERTS AND POLITICIANS.You actually planned a wedding for your only daughter in another state and actually believed we would allow THAT to happen?! Maybe you should get disability for being mentally retarded to listen to us experts, governors and mayors. We always lie about everything.

Let's be certain to teach all children their parents, doctors and government are all 100% sadistic pathological liars. Lying as pranks even.

Your solution is nothing, just some pie-in-the-sky sloganism. "We'll get the entire family involved" because the reason it isn't is because ... (a new government program).
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None of this makes any sense; incoherent rambling.
 
joko104 said:
I have a solution. Put the kids back in school. There is no problem. Put in HEPA air filtration with internal intense UV light at the right wave length. Instant death to virus and bacteria. Reduce their mental function by making the wear masks for a little child abuse to satisfy your paranoia about diseased children getting you.

YOU claim that by having them stay 6 feet apart and wearing masks eliminates the danger, don't you?

Old selfish and totally ego centric adults thinking closing schools is just no big deal are disturbing and sickening to me. I can not stand people who abuse children, including using them for political purpose as in being done in the non-stop 24/7 for profit and power bio-terrorism campaign, which now is approaching torture tactics to increasing number of people by "the experts" and government NON STOP lying to them.

Nothing to worry about - don't stock up - can't last more than 2 weeks at the worse

OMG! STAY HOME! 30,000,000 of you ordered laid off, 50,000 businesses outlawed - but we'll open next month.

HA! HA! Gotja again! You are still ordered unemployed, but only 3 more weeks.

HA! HA! GOTJA AGAIN? Lost your vacation plans and money spent on it? That's what you get for believing up. But just 2 more weeks...

WHAT A RIOT! YOU FEEL FOR IT AGAIN!!!! Have we totally destroyed your family and your life yet?

OK! You can sorta open back up. Go ahead. Stock up your store. Hire people back.

MY GOD, HOW STUPID ARE YOU? YOU BELIEVED US EXPERTS AND POLITICIANS.You actually planned a wedding for your only daughter in another state and actually believed we would allow THAT to happen?! Maybe you should get disability for being mentally retarded to listen to us experts, governors and mayors. We always lie about everything.

Let's be certain to teach all children their parents, doctors and government are all 100% sadistic pathological liars. Lying as pranks even.

Your solution is nothing, just some pie-in-the-sky sloganism. "We'll get the entire family involved" because the reason it isn't is because ... (a new government program).
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Thats not a viable solution for a good portion of our population or the situation we are in.

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joko104 said:
Children need to be in school for social skills development so they don't end up like so many reclusive, bitter, doom-and-gloom hate and fear mongering anti-social old Democrats are.
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What social skills do you imagine are going to be developed while social distancing and wearing masks?
 
roguenuke said:
Thats not a viable solution for a good portion of our population or the situation we are in.

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Having the children go to school is the ONLY solution. Most parents lack the skill, knowledge, and economic ability to be their kid's teacher OR police their children when not at home - and are not willing to live in a car with their children waiting for next Thursday when the food bank might have more food for them.

Teaching kids to be anti-social, isolated alone, and having no regular study skills development is massively harmful to children.
 
BlueTex said:
What social skills do you imagine are going to be developed while social distancing and wearing masks?
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That's too dumb a question to bother with. But at least you admit those two rules shatter a person's life as a social creature - which humans definitely are.
 
joko104 said:
Children need to be in school for social skills development so they don't end up like so many reclusive, bitter, doom-and-gloom hate and fear mongering anti-social old Democrats are.
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You sound bitter, joko.
 
BlueTex said:
What social skills do you imagine are going to be developed while social distancing and wearing masks?
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While both introduce difficulties (the masks are especially complicated for those who are deaf or may already struggle with nonverbal cues), social skills and socialization still occur with six feet distancing.
 
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