Staying safe

I think our country, or even the world, has a collective case of OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder).

One of the classic OCD symptoms is fear of infection. I have known someone who had this disorder. When it got bad, they could think of nothing else except certain diseases they were afraid of catching. They could not go out of the house. The probability of catching any of the diseases they were afraid of was extremely low, but there was no way to reason with them.

People now seem obsessed with the idea of staying safe from COVID 19. They don't care that the probability of being seriously harmed or dying from it are very low, especially if you are not in a risk category.

I saw posts on facebook by people saying they would absolutely NOT send their kids to school this fall. The risk for children is EXTREMELY low. On the other hand, the risk to their mental health from never seeing their friends might not be very low. I know kids were already socializing a lot on their phones, but now that's all they have, and it can't be healthy.

This virus is a little more dangerous than the flu, and there is no vaccine. But the panic we are seeing over COVID 19 is MANY times greater than anything we ever felt about the flu. I could understand if people were moderately concerned but I do not understand the mass OCD and hysteria.

Well maybe I do understand it -- Americans who hate Trump are scared ****less because they think he is not capable of managing an emergency. They don't feel safe with Trump as president, and that translates to being terrified of the virus.

Metadata for the general welfare! How about a full body massage to see it helps the person relax more?

Good4Nothin said:

I think our country, or even the world, has a collective case of OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder).

One of the classic OCD symptoms is fear of infection. I have known someone who had this disorder. When it got bad, they could think of nothing else except certain diseases they were afraid of catching. They could not go out of the house. The probability of catching any of the diseases they were afraid of was extremely low, but there was no way to reason with them.

People now seem obsessed with the idea of staying safe from COVID 19. They don't care that the probability of being seriously harmed or dying from it are very low, especially if you are not in a risk category.

I saw posts on facebook by people saying they would absolutely NOT send their kids to school this fall. The risk for children is EXTREMELY low. On the other hand, the risk to their mental health from never seeing their friends might not be very low. I know kids were already socializing a lot on their phones, but now that's all they have, and it can't be healthy.

This virus is a little more dangerous than the flu, and there is no vaccine. But the panic we are seeing over COVID 19 is MANY times greater than anything we ever felt about the flu. I could understand if people were moderately concerned but I do not understand the mass OCD and hysteria.

Well maybe I do understand it -- Americans who hate Trump are scared ****less because they think he is not capable of managing an emergency. They don't feel safe with Trump as president, and that translates to being terrified of the virus.

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I lay it down to mass hysteria, intentionally pushed by certain elements of our society.

And for the most part IMO not for factual "health reasons," but rather political expediency and power.

There ARE people at risk, of that there is no doubt. However, we've come to a point where we now know those classes at greatest risk. They fall into two major categories, both of which have serious immune deficiencies.

That is the very old, (typically 70 years and older) and those with pre-existing medical conditions that already place them at risk under normal circumstances.

But these folk do not make up the vast majority of citizens. :no:

So while all reasonable and rational steps should be taken to help prevent exposure to such citizens, we should also step back from these "authoritarian" rules seeking to inhibit the masses out of fears that some may come to harm.

Never surrender essential liberties for a little temporary security.

Why? rof

Each acceptance of some new limit forms the foundation to build upon by subsequent incremental additions. Additions which may seem reasonable at the time, but IMHO will inevitably lead to the loss of most if not ALL liberties, and also thereby any real security.

So I prefer as few limits on what I do with MY life as possible. I have no problem with offers of guidance I can chose to abide by as I see fit.

But I refuse to submit wholly to the "group dynamic," and their authoritarianism when it serves to inhibit my essential individual liberties simply out of fear for possible, however improbable, harm.

Good4Nothin said:

I think our country, or even the world, has a collective case of OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder).

This virus is a little more dangerous than the flu, and there is no vaccine. But the panic we are seeing over COVID 19 is MANY times greater than anything we ever felt about the flu. I could understand if people were moderately concerned but I do not understand the mass OCD and hysteria.

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I'll only address this portion of your misconception of this virus. But first I will say that my own fear of contracting Covid-19 has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump -- nothing. It has to do with the death of friends primarily. That's enough for me to keep myself safe and keep others safe by wearing a mask in public.

Now, regarding this being like any other flu. You are entirely and completely misunderstanding this virus. Of course it's very easy for any one of us to use google and find out why it's not like a normal flu. But I understand that people may have busy lives and not enough time to do a little more research on this topic. I'll save you the effort.

This is a virus that's unlike any other pandemic, this virus is 60 times more virulent than the worse coronavirus ever seen by mankind. It not only affects the respiratory system but scientists are discovering it affects the heart, kidneys and circulatory systems.

The rate of death for influenza typically runs about 0.15%, or, 1 death per 750 infections. While the data is changing rapidly, the current death rate of the Covid-19 is about 2.5% of infections. That means that this particular Covid-19 is about 15 times more lethal. If the Covid-19 spread as broadly as influenza, there would be about 10 million deaths.

So no, Covid-19 is not like the common flu. There are approximately seven different kinds of coronavirus. SARS and MERS were also coronavirus. The United States had 73 cases of SARS. The US had 2 cases of MERS. There were 2,519 cases of MERS worldwide.

In six months, there have been more than 6.6 million people infected with Covid-19 and 556,000 deaths worldwide. The U.S. has had 3.17 million confirmed and 135,000 deaths. This is not a normal flu. This is not going away. Right now, Beijing is going through a second wave of Covid-19. The U.S. isn't finished with the first wave yet. I can't repeat this enough.....Covid-19 is not going away, not for long anyway, until a vaccine is developed and that's not going to happen for at least another 8-10 months.

HumblePi said:

I'll only address this portion of your misconception of this virus. But first I will say that my own fear of contracting Covid-19 has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump -- nothing. It has to do with the death of friends primarily. That's enough for me to keep myself safe and keep others safe by wearing a mask in public.

Now, regarding this being like any other flu. You are entirely and completely misunderstanding this virus. Of course it's very easy for any one of us to use google and find out why it's not like a normal flu. But I understand that people may have busy lives and not enough time to do a little more research on this topic. I'll save you the effort.

This is a virus that's unlike any other pandemic, this virus is 60 times more virulent than the worse coronavirus ever seen by mankind. It not only affects the respiratory system but scientists are discovering it affects the heart, kidneys and circulatory systems.

The rate of death for influenza typically runs about 0.15%, or, 1 death per 750 infections. While the data is changing rapidly, the current death rate of the Covid-19 is about 2.5% of infections. That means that this particular Covid-19 is about 15 times more lethal. If the Covid-19 spread as broadly as influenza, there would be about 10 million deaths.

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You are lying, or else somehow missed what everyone else knows. Of those who are known to be infected, the death rate is less than one percent. And there are probably many who are infected but not counted because they were not tested.

I NEVER said it's the same as the flu, and I never said masks should not be worn (there isn't really clear evidence about whether they help or not, but it isn't a major inconvenience or expense).

If you are reasonably careful and if you are reasonably healthy, you probably will not catch it. If you do catch it, you probably will not have a serious case, and the chance of dying is under one percent. Probably MUCH lower for those not in a risk category.

Good4Nothin said:

I think our country, or even the world, has a collective case of OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder).

One of the classic OCD symptoms is fear of infection. I have known someone who had this disorder. When it got bad, they could think of nothing else except certain diseases they were afraid of catching. They could not go out of the house. The probability of catching any of the diseases they were afraid of was extremely low, but there was no way to reason with them.

People now seem obsessed with the idea of staying safe from COVID 19. They don't care that the probability of being seriously harmed or dying from it are very low, especially if you are not in a risk category.

I saw posts on facebook by people saying they would absolutely NOT send their kids to school this fall. The risk for children is EXTREMELY low. On the other hand, the risk to their mental health from never seeing their friends might not be very low. I know kids were already socializing a lot on their phones, but now that's all they have, and it can't be healthy.

This virus is a little more dangerous than the flu, and there is no vaccine. But the panic we are seeing over COVID 19 is MANY times greater than anything we ever felt about the flu. I could understand if people were moderately concerned but I do not understand the mass OCD and hysteria.

Well maybe I do understand it -- Americans who hate Trump are scared ****less because they think he is not capable of managing an emergency. They don't feel safe with Trump as president, and that translates to being terrified of the virus.

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"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us'."

Good4Nothin said:

You are lying, or else somehow missed what everyone else knows. Of those who are known to be infected, the death rate is less than one percent. And there are probably many who are infected but not counted because they were not tested.

I NEVER said it's the same as the flu, and I never said masks should not be worn (there isn't really clear evidence about whether they help or not, but it isn't a major inconvenience or expense).

If you are reasonably careful and if you are reasonably healthy, you probably will not catch it. If you do catch it, you probably will not have a serious case, and the chance of dying is under one percent. Probably MUCH lower for those not in a risk category.

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You're wrong, there is global agreement of every country affected with this virus including the WHO and CDC, that masks are absolutely VITAL in preventing the spread of covid-19.

You are wrong again. "This virus is a little more dangerous than the flu".

"Using a more sophisticated calculation called the infection-fatality rate, paired with the past few months’ worth of data, the latest best estimates show that COVID-19 is around 50 to 100 times more lethal than the seasonal flu, on average."

How scientists know COVID-19 is way deadlier than the flu

Good4Nothin said:

You are lying, or else somehow missed what everyone else knows. Of those who are known to be infected, the death rate is less than one percent. And there are probably many who are infected but not counted because they were not tested.

I NEVER said it's the same as the flu, and I never said masks should not be worn (there isn't really clear evidence about whether they help or not, but it isn't a major inconvenience or expense).

If you are reasonably careful and if you are reasonably healthy, you probably will not catch it. If you do catch it, you probably will not have a serious case, and the chance of dying is under one percent. Probably MUCH lower for those not in a risk category.

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I know you want to downplay it, but, for example, Texas had over 100 deaths from Covid 19, just yesterday. They had about 85 two days ago, and 60 3 days ago. That is not a good trend in deaths. 3 days is too few numbers to show a general pattern, but that is how NY started out.

HumblePi said:

You're wrong, there is global agreement of every country affected with this virus including the WHO and CDC, that masks are absolutely VITAL in preventing the spread of covid-19.

You are wrong again. "This virus is a little more dangerous than the flu".

"Using a more sophisticated calculation called the infection-fatality rate, paired with the past few months’ worth of data, the latest best estimates show that COVID-19 is around 50 to 100 times more lethal than the seasonal flu, on average."

How scientists know COVID-19 is way deadlier than the flu

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The expert authorities often make statements without evidence. Try to find good evidence that masks prevent COVID 19.

And COVID 19 cannot be 50 to 100 times more lethal than the flu, because the death rate for COVID 19, for those who are infected, is less than one percent.

RAMOSS said:

I know you want to downplay it, but, for example, Texas had over 100 deaths from Covid 19, just yesterday. They had about 85 two days ago, and 60 3 days ago. That is not a good trend in deaths. 3 days is too few numbers to show a general pattern, but that is how NY started out.

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Those numbers are meaningless without any kind of comparison.

Good4Nothin said:

The expert authorities often make statements without evidence. Try to find good evidence that masks prevent COVID 19.

And COVID 19 cannot be 50 to 100 times more lethal than the flu, because the death rate for COVID 19, for those who are infected, is less than one percent.

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The 'experts' are experts for good reason. Covid19 is an airborne respiratory disease, that is a fact. Covering the nose and mouth prevents any airborne viruses to enter the only two ways possible, nose and mouth. It's not rocket science, it's LOGIC.

Imagine this is a violent and abrupt sneeze from a person standing right next to you. I will continue to wear my mask whenever I go out in public, you keep doing what you want to do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/antibody-tests-support-whats-been-obvious-covid-19-is-much-more-lethal-than-flu/2020/04/28/2fc215d8-87f7-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

The US Death Rate From The Coronavirus Is 52 Times Higher Than The Flu

Incidentally, you are not 'slightly conservative' you are 'deeply conservative'.



‘Put the damn mask on’: Strong message from SC hospital chief medical officer
‘Put the damn mask on’: Strong message from SC hospital chief medical officer

SPARTANBURG, S.C. (WYFF) - The Spartanburg Regional Healthcare Systems Chief Medical Officer has a clear message to the community.

“Put the damn mask on,” Dr. Chris Lombardozzi said Thursday. “Can’t say it more forcefully. We can’t create laws to make people do this. But we have got to do this.”

Good4Nothin said:

Those numbers are meaningless without any kind of comparison.

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Only if you want to ignore that the last 3 days were the 3 highest amounts Texas has had since the outbreak, and there have been ongoing concerns about the new infections, and the number of available hospital beds

But, if you want to give youself a false sense of security, go right ahead.

But , wear a mask anyway


Oh, here are charts with 'infection rate' (very important), New infections found per day, and deaths per day in texas.Tracking coronavirus: Interactive maps, charts show spread of COVID-19 across Houston, rest of Texas - HoustonChronicle.com

HumblePi said:

The 'experts' are experts for good reason. Covid19 is an airborne respiratory disease, that is a fact. Covering the nose and mouth prevents any airborne viruses to enter the only two ways possible, nose and mouth. It's not rocket science, it's LOGIC.

Imagine this is a violent and abrupt sneeze from a person standing right next to you. I will continue to wear my mask whenever I go out in public, you keep doing what you want to do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/antibody-tests-support-whats-been-obvious-covid-19-is-much-more-lethal-than-flu/2020/04/28/2fc215d8-87f7-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

The US Death Rate From The Coronavirus Is 52 Times Higher Than The Flu

Incidentally, you are not 'slightly conservative' you are 'deeply conservative'.

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For that matter, just regular breathing. I am sure you were outside when it was cold enough for your breath to be foggy. That white stuff is water vapor, that could be carrying covid 19.

RAMOSS said:

For that matter, just regular breathing. I am sure you were outside when it was cold enough for your breath to be foggy. That white stuff is water vapor, that could be carrying covid 19.

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Inside a warm crowded building is even worse. The droplets evaporate at a slower rate when it's warm and the air is still in a crowded room.

HumblePi said:

Inside a warm crowded building is even worse. The droplets evaporate at a slower rate when it's warm and the air is still in a crowded room.

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The reason I made that analogy is that you can SEE the mist in cold weather. Some people need to see things.

RAMOSS said:

The reason I made that analogy is that you can SEE the mist in cold weather. Some people need to see things.

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This is very true, I happen to be one of those who associates things using mental images such as the robust sneeze. It's usually the case that unless I write something down, and in order, it won't connect. Visual images cut through all that and go right into the brain's memory. Like the saying goes, you cannot un-see something. But truly, even images of a sneeze proving how droplets turning into aerosolized spray spreading out 10 and sometime up to 20 feet doesn't connect in their brain because they're in denial and they don't absorb those images.

Good4Nothin said:

I think our country, or even the world, has a collective case of OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder).

One of the classic OCD symptoms is fear of infection. I have known someone who had this disorder. When it got bad, they could think of nothing else except certain diseases they were afraid of catching. They could not go out of the house. The probability of catching any of the diseases they were afraid of was extremely low, but there was no way to reason with them.

People now seem obsessed with the idea of staying safe from COVID 19. They don't care that the probability of being seriously harmed or dying from it are very low, especially if you are not in a risk category.

I saw posts on facebook by people saying they would absolutely NOT send their kids to school this fall. The risk for children is EXTREMELY low. On the other hand, the risk to their mental health from never seeing their friends might not be very low. I know kids were already socializing a lot on their phones, but now that's all they have, and it can't be healthy.

This virus is a little more dangerous than the flu, and there is no vaccine. But the panic we are seeing over COVID 19 is MANY times greater than anything we ever felt about the flu. I could understand if people were moderately concerned but I do not understand the mass OCD and hysteria.

Well maybe I do understand it -- Americans who hate Trump are scared ****less because they think he is not capable of managing an emergency. They don't feel safe with Trump as president, and that translates to being terrified of the virus.

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Some are obsessed with keeping safe, here's the rest

Pretty much

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