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Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

Phys251 said:
:lamo

There was no whataboutism except that which exists between your ears. To call for "herd immunity" as the solution to COVID-19 is a dog whistle for genocide.

Maybe y'all should call it the "final solution"?
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Herd immunity would be a long-term process. Herd immunity can't be achieved while all the measures of social distancing are in place in the US.
 
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Linc said:
Rush Limbaugh, is that you? :mrgreen: Right off his program I saw yesterday. A vote for Trump is a vote for Limbaugh. Or is it the other way around?
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I don't watch Limbaugh, but herd immunity is the way humans have dealt with diseases for thousands of years.
 
americanwoman said:
Who exactly is calling them role models?

Are you saying because a handful of "lefties" people praise one state and governors handling of the virus no other "lefties" should criticize the President of the country?
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For that matter, Cuomo can be praised for his virus response, and also criticized about it at the same time. He can be praised for taking personal responsibly for the shutdown, and for his communication about what is happening and the reasons why it is happening. He can be criticized for not acting soon enough, and not protecting the nursing homes and jails soon enough. It can be acknowledged that many of the mistakes that were made were because of NY being on the front edge of the pandemic in the usa, and ignorance about how it transmitted, and it's severity. One does not have to be slavishly 'oh this person is fantastic' or ' this person is bad and evil'. There is a middle ground
 
jimbo said:
I don't watch Limbaugh, but herd immunity is the way humans have dealt with diseases for thousands of years.
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and, in the case of pandemics, when they did that , millions died.

We have better technology now.
 
Moderate Right said:
Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity
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I just laughed reading this.

This is so.... stupid.

What a scary country... so many know so little.
 
cabse5 said:
Any more fear mongering? Sweden has a much smaller population than the US.
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Interesting that you label facts "fear mongering."

The fact that Sweden has a smaller population is irrelevant to the death rate. As the article that I linked stated, in Sweden "Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better."
 
j brown's body said:
I have seen Coumo's daily briefings praised, but I have not seen the state's response, with all those gruesome deaths, praised.
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I still remember one of Cuomo's first press conferences on Covid the "Words have meanings" press conference where Cuomo admonished anyone using the word quarantine because that would make the people 'skittish'.:roll:
 
noonereal said:
I just laughed reading this.

This is so.... stupid.

What a scary country... so many know so little.
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Yeah. Like all one has to do is wear a mask?:lamo
 
MTAtech said:
Interesting that you label facts "fear mongering."

The fact that Sweden has a smaller population is irrelevant to the death rate. As the article that I linked stated, in Sweden "Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better."
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Sweden has kids back in schools. EDIT: And kids aren't dying at all.
 
RAMOSS said:
For that matter, Cuomo can be praised for his virus response, and also criticized about it at the same time. He can be praised for taking personal responsibly for the shutdown, and for his communication about what is happening and the reasons why it is happening. He can be criticized for not acting soon enough, and not protecting the nursing homes and jails soon enough. It can be acknowledged that many of the mistakes that were made were because of NY being on the front edge of the pandemic in the usa, and ignorance about how it transmitted, and it's severity. One does not have to be slavishly 'oh this person is fantastic' or ' this person is bad and evil'. There is a middle ground
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NY was the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the country. There was much to learn from New York's experience -- which the rest of the country summarily ignored. Trumpist governors of Sunbelt states relaxed social distancing and reopened businesses like restaurants and bars, even though they met none of the criteria for doing so safely, ushering in catastrophic results. At this point, however, it’s clear that everything the experts warned was likely to happen, is happening.
 
cabse5 said:
Sweden has kids back in schools. EDIT: And kids aren't dying at all.
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The kids might not get sick but they bring it home. Their results are worse than neighboring countries that locked down and didn't reopen schools.
 
MTAtech said:
NY was the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the country. There was much to learn from New York's experience -- which the rest of the country summarily ignored. Trumpist governors of Sunbelt states relaxed social distancing and reopened businesses like restaurants and bars, even though they met none of the criteria for doing so safely, ushering in catastrophic results. At this point, however, it’s clear that everything the experts warned was likely to happen, is happening.
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The only sure was to prevent spread of cases is with a lockdown when using social distancing. Lockdowns are unsustainable. Each iteration of a lockdown relaxation brings more cases. EDIT: And the protests didn't help.
 
MTAtech said:
NY was the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the country. There was much to learn from New York's experience -- which the rest of the country summarily ignored. Trumpist governors of Sunbelt states relaxed social distancing and reopened businesses like restaurants and bars, even though they met none of the criteria for doing so safely, ushering in catastrophic results. At this point, however, it’s clear that everything the experts warned was likely to happen, is happening.
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This was a learning experience for NY for the future. I hope the powers that be come up with an action plan and procedures , because even after this is over, it's likely to happen again, and again , and again. As long as there is a lot of travel between continents because of business and pleasure, and NY is a hub, it is a big target because of it's being a hub, and the population density.
 
cabse5 said:
What genocide? A new case doesn't mean a hospitalization nor death.
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More cases equates to more hospitalizations and leads to more Deaths. Is this too hard for you to follow?
 
MTAtech said:
The kids might not get sick but they bring it home. Their results are worse than neighboring countries that locked down and didn't reopen schools.
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I don't have the links but studies have shown that kids don't transmit.
 
And there is no assurance that having the virus gives you immunity anyway
 
cabse5 said:
I'd say the 80%, or so, of the population has long term immunity to Covid. The ones who are asymptomatic or have slight enough symptoms to not need a hospital.
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I'd say you are guessing based on nothing more than wishful thinking.
 
Moderate Right said:
Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity
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Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution
Betcha folks believed that in medieval times, because they didn't have much choice.

What's next, pronouncing COVID caused by "evil humours of the blood" and leeches? How about drilling holes in people's heads?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Wow, it is so amazing that ABC and the rest of MSM would minimize herd immunity. :lol: Their job is to exercise the fear factor, and they are doing a terrific job.
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Yes the MSM definitely does this. There was a study published on July 3 showing the hydroxychloroquine actually did show benefit. Study finds hydroxychloroquine helped coronavirus patients survive better

Did that show up on the ABC News? No, because it would make Trump look good and they certainly can't have that. Instead ABC reported this: Florida teen who died of COVID-19 attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine at home - ABC News
 
Casper said:
More cases equates to more hospitalizations and leads to more Deaths. Is this too hard for you to follow?
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Well, concentrating on spread of cases artificially prolongs the crisis. Social distancing doesn't protect those most susceptible to Covid. What do you suppose will happen when those most susceptible to Covid are forced to not be protected for a longer than needed period of time?
 
cabse5 said:
I don't have the links but studies have shown that kids don't transmit.
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Let us know when you have the data. There is no logical reason to think children cannot transmit the virus, or get it themselves. You want to gamble with the lives of Teachers, Parents and Children, good grief....
 
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Moderate Right said:
Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity
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Yeah, herd immunity works eventually and partially--after it's killed off huge numbers. Then it fades after a while and then comes back to "cull" the herd again every so often. But thanks once again for the outing rightwing's claim of being "pro-life" as the grotesque lie it always has been.
 
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