Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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A new study from China shows that antibodies can disappear in two to three months. The study further found that immunity is shorter for asymptomatic patients than symptomatic ones: The less symptomatic a person is, the weaker the immune response and antibody strength. "Young people who have mild disease or asymptomatic disease, their antibodies may never rise very high," said Sankar Swaminathan, chief of infectious diseases at the University of Utah. "We don't even know if those antibodies are protective."

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To achieve herd immunity, it is estimated that typically 70 to 90 percent of a population needs immunity, although this depends on how contagious the infection is.

The study found that, despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, estimates of the prevalence of antibodies remain low and are “clearly insufficient” to provide herd immunity. “This cannot be achieved without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems,” the researchers wrote. “In this situation, social distance measures and efforts to identify and isolate new cases and their contacts are imperative for future epidemic control.”

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Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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However, virologists cautioned that the results may not be representative of the general population as the testing was carried out at urgent care centres. They also warned that not enough data exists to conclude anything on herd immunity.

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HumblePi said:

Herd immunity is not going to save us from Covid-19. Herd immunity without a vaccine is by definition not a preventative measure. Until we have a vaccine, anyone talking about herd immunity as a preventative strategy for COVID-19 is simply wrong.

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Mithros said:

When are you planning on catching COVID?

Would you like a massive viral load in a mass spreader event indoors or would you rather gradually pick up trace amounts?

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Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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Gaius46 said:

Jackson Heights, where I grew up btw, and Corona are lower class immigrant neighborhoods and are not representative of the city let alone the entire state. As most people should understand by now many more people have the virus than actually present with symptoms and when you see 68% people with antibodies in Corona what they really means is that those people can’t work from home and were more exposed to the virus that the rest of us. In other parts of the city the rate was much lower - 20% range - as with Suffolk County where I live now.

Further since that’s a self selected group - ie the people who got tested decided for themselves to get tested because they thought they needed a test - the actual rate of infection is likely lower.

Finally if there’s going to be any kind of herd immunity benefit it’ll show up in downstream waves and isn’t responsible for the lowered infection we currently. That cause of that is the policies the state implemented and the fact that the people actually tried to follow them unlike the moron who runs Florida.

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RAMOSS said:

You seem to have missed this paragraph in your source



Selective reading can always give invalid conclusions.

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Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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Lutherf said:

There is a Walgreens on the corner near my house that has been turned into a testing center. At a quarter past 7 this morning the line of cars was at least half a mile.

The spike here in Tucson is a little hard to follow because good data isn't readily available and isn't updated regularly but the latest information I have shows that the number of cases peaked the week of 6/14-6/20 at right around 2000. The next week was 1700 cases and last week was 170. Hospitalizations peaked across all age groups between 5/31 and 6/13 but last week we had just one Covid hospitalization. The week before was 16 and during the peak we were around 60.

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azgreg said:

From what I've been reading herd immunity is a pipe dream. Not out of the question, but not a very likely possibility.

Is COVID-19 even subject to herd immunity? - ABC News



COVID-19 antibody study in Spain warns herd immunity '''cannot be achieved''' without devastating effects | Fox News



I just don't see how it can happen without a vaccine.

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Moderate Right said:

Let me ask you this, since New York State remains by far the number one state in cases and deaths, what did New York do wrong to achieve that ranking?

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Phys251 said:

^ Oh look, another call for genocide.

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cabse5 said:

What genocide? A new case doesn't mean a hospitalization nor death.

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Moderate Right said:

But but but you guys are claiming New York State and Andrew Cuomo are doing so well. They are doing so well due to herd immunity.

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Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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Phys251 said:

Accelerationism has become popular among fascism supporters. For this subgroup, they want more cases not in spite of the fact that that would kill more people but because of it.

Over a hundred thousand lives lost and counting is a success to them.

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cabse5 said:

Why resort to the whataboutism? Why not answer my question of why new cases resort to genocide? New cases don't resort to genocide, BTW.

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j brown's body said:

We still don’t know whether those infected with coronavirus retain long-term immunity to COVID-19.

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Moderate Right said:

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

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