Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows

HumblePi said:

Boy... NY was really screwed, weren't they. They were behind the curve because they were the start of the curve and had little to work with. No reliable information about transmission. No test kits. Not enough PPE. No help from Trump until he finally sent the hospital ship 'just in case' they needed additional beds. Push-back or total apathy or concern from some of the Trump states. Mocking and ridiculing of Andrew Cuomo who was doing an amazing job IMO. What a tough few months. I hope we don't get the second wave that is predicted will come in the same way the first wave came.

And here we are with states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma -- why didn't they learn from New York? Didn't they see the refrigerator trailers piled high with corpses? Didn't they read the stories about the doctors and nurses who died? Why didn't they take the knowledge about transmission and ways to prevent it and put it to use? I just don't understand their thinking. They had some good lessons taught them by NY on how to deal with this, but they're not using those lessons.

In the earlier days of March and April, my son made face shields from plastic bottles too, and wouldn't go out without that plus a mask and eye shields.

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To be sure, Cuomo made early mistakes, but, as was said, it was at the beginning, and he didn't realize how vulnerable a densely packed city with connections everywhere was.If he figured that out 2 weeks early, about half the people who died would still be alive. On the other hand, once he figured it out (and NY was on the cutting edge of disaster), he did a very good job.

Many of people who slammed on just how bad NY and the 'blue states' did are in states that are surging, and they are in complete denial

lurchadams said:

What an obtuse post.

You have been blocked

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Why don't you regale us with your source of the 85% "having nothing to do with covid"?

Geez.

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I have heard dozens of experts that say what I stated to be true.

The reports come from several states where so many of the elderly were afraid to seek medical attention being vulnerable through the lockdown and their elective surgeries were put on hold. And usually when an elderly person goes through a surgery it often means days in an ICU unit that follow. Then they are sent off to a rehab center for assisted living before they can return home where COVID ran rapid in these facilities killing many.

When things started to open back up, these people that put their health issues on hold have been taking care of them taking up a good number of beds in ICU units.

The majorities of deaths from this virus have been in the elderly. That's a fact.

This thread is about Florida. If you take the time to lookup the death rate in Florida, you will find they are one of the lowest even though they have a very high population of elderly.

Florida put into place early on making certain nursing homes only for COVID infected persons separating them from those who were free of the disease. They also require workers in nursing homes and assisted living centers to be tested on a regular basis.

The outbreak in Florida at this time testing positive are overwhelmingly in the age group of 21-30. The same farging age group that has been out there for 5 weeks now protesting not social distancing and wearing their masks on their chins. And if these yahoos live with a vulnerable person will likely spread it to them.

But this gaslighting over ICU beds not available is bull****. Every hospital has the means to expand their ICU units.

vesper said:

I have heard dozens of experts that say what I stated to be true.

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Have any of those "experts" published anything you can post for us to see?

JacksinPA said:

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

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So out of 350 hospitals, 54 have (at the moment) full ICU's, 1/7th the total. And how many covid staffed ICU beds or regular hospital beds are available? What is the percentage of availability? How does that compare to the same percentage 4 weeks ago?

Crickets. As usual a poster opens an op by dropping a single fact as a turd for us to oooohhhh and aaahhhhh over. You'll have to do better than that.

HumblePi said:

Even worse news is that now medical staff are becoming infected and many of the nurses are refusing to go to work because it's too much of a risk, particularly if they have a family. I can't blame them.

This is just the beginning. My argument for those who refuse to wear masks or social distance has always been, 'if you are sick and need to be hospitalized, who will take care of you if everyone is sick?'

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Not to mention that when hospitals are full to capacity and you have a heart attack you are out of luck.
I swear that over half these new cases here are coming from bars and clubs. Sitting indoors in close quarters to dozens of people guarantees you will get infected yet the bars were packed to the gills. Those patrons had no idea what the risk was either, most thought the reopening meant we beat the virus and they had nothing to worry about. Last week they were all closed now they have been opened again. There is no controlling going on..the virus is being set free.

Florida Bars with Food Licenses Allowed to Re-Open As Holiday Weekend Begins

This is not from Florida because we have zero contact tracing but I think it is representative.

At least 152 coronavirus cases linked to Michigan bar - CNN

Chomsky said:

Actually, I just opened a similar thread on TX. Just two days ago I had posters here making the argument that the young people infected are asymptomatic, don't go to hospitals, and do not die.

Well, that argument is falling apart. Young people don't go to hospitals if they're healthy & asymptomatic. And when they go to hospitals sick, some die. And when the hospitals get over-run, a lot more die.

We are being sold a bill of goods, it seems.

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Not to mention that those young people will spread it to old people just like school children will spread it to their teachers and family. The air becomes thick with the virus and we have a health emergency.

lurchadams said:

1. 57% is not 85%
2. If there wasn't a spike in covid hospitalizations there wouldn't be a shortage of ICU beds.

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I know you can't read, but give it a try at least ... 57% was guesstimated by a doom and gloom website and I wrote: "Vesper's number to non-covid ICU cases may be closer to reality than you think,".

As to the second part, see post #21.


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HumblePi said:

There are five International airports in New York State. A state government does not have the authority to ban all International incoming flights. The State Department is the only government agency that is legally able to ban International flights. Remember, back in the end of February and beginning of March, the WHO didn't even know where it was coming from.

On April 24th Governor Andrew Cuomo pointed to research showing that strains of the novel coronavirus entered his state from Europe, not China, and said that travel bans for people coming from China enacted by Trump were too late to halt its spread.

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Donald Trump himself bans international flights from Europe. At least that is how the media phrases it. "Trump bans travel from the EU to the United States" or something like that. I guess he orders the State Department to enforce such a ban but have not read any executive orders. If this is true, not only are all five international airports in New York affected, but so is EWR (Newark Liberty International Airport), which serves the New York City area.

Blue Donkey said:

My governor likes Donald Trump. I am sure he chose to ignore everything Andrew Cuomo did right and avoid learning anything from a Democrat.

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Thank heavens for that or Florida would have had a much higher number of dead senior citizens.

Barnacle said:

Thank heavens for that or Florida would have had a much higher number of dead senior citizens.

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Death rates per unit population in New York and New Jersey are 10 times higher than Florida, as of this post.

I'm not sure Trump is responsible, but hopefully Florida doesn't mismanage this as badly as New York.

i hope that those in Florida who catch this are able to get treatment. i don't want to see anyone die of this ****.

HumblePi said:

Boy... NY was really screwed, weren't they. They were behind the curve because they were the start of the curve and had little to work with. No reliable information about transmission. No test kits. Not enough PPE. No help from Trump until he finally sent the hospital ship 'just in case' they needed additional beds. Push-back or total apathy or concern from some of the Trump states. Mocking and ridiculing of Andrew Cuomo who was doing an amazing job IMO. What a tough few months. I hope we don't get the second wave that is predicted will come in the same way the first wave came.

And here we are with states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma -- why didn't they learn from New York? Didn't they see the refrigerator trailers piled high with corpses? Didn't they read the stories about the doctors and nurses who died? Why didn't they take the knowledge about transmission and ways to prevent it and put it to use? I just don't understand their thinking. They had some good lessons taught them by NY on how to deal with this, but they're not using those lessons.

In the earlier days of March and April, my son made face shields from plastic bottles too, and wouldn't go out without that plus a mask and eye shields.

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I would be surprised if Florida mismanaged this as badly as New York and reached similar death rates. It's possible, and would be tragic, but I'd be surprised.

JacksinPA said:

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

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Maybe we need more protesting. I hear there might be something to this herd immunity. Plus Florida needs to get the death rate up to the standards of the Democrat run states like NY and PA. Maybe the governor should send the infected people back to the nursing homes like our governor in PA did to kill off all the elderly. I think NY governor did the same.

Barnacle said:

I know you can't read, but give it a try at least ... 57% was guesstimated by a doom and gloom website and I wrote: "Vesper's number to non-covid ICU cases may be closer to reality than you think,".

As to the second part, see post #21.


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Oh, I can read just fine. Let's see if you can:

ICUs in South Florida fill up, as COVID-19 strains hospital resources - South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Intensive care units in South Florida are filling up with coronavirus patients as hospital admissions push relentlessly upward.

Memorial Hospital West in Pembroke Pines reported only two of 40 adult ICU beds left Tuesday, according to state records. Memorial Hospital Miramar reported none available, with all 18 occupied. At Broward Health North in Deerfield Beach, just one of 32 beds was available. Baptist Hospital of Miami reported only six beds of 88 remaining.

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Again, I'm sure that not all ICU beds are covid patients, but if it wasn't for the spike in covid hospitalizations there wouldn't be an ICU bed shortage. <--- Please try to absorb that last sentence if you can.

Covid also can infect and kill hospital staff, while cancer and heart disease cannot. Covid also puts an extra strain on hospital staff, since they are the only contacts the patients are allowed to have, since family members aren't allowed.

I know trumpanzees want to play down the severity of covid and when that doesn't work, blame it all on the Democrats. It's not working, my friend.

lurchadams said:

Oh, I can read just fine. Let's see if you can:
ICUs in South Florida fill up, as COVID-19 strains hospital resources - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Again, I'm sure that not all ICU beds are covid patients, but if it wasn't for the spike in covid hospitalizations there wouldn't be an ICU bed shortage. <--- Please try to absorb that last sentence if you can.
Covid also can infect and kill hospital staff, while cancer and heart disease cannot. Covid also puts an extra strain on hospital staff, since they are the only contacts the patients are allowed to have, since family members aren't allowed.
I know trumpanzees want to play down the severity of covid and when that doesn't work, blame it all on the Democrats. It's not working, my friend.

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Obviously ... you can't read.

JacksinPA said:

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

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Deaths only 1/12 of New York with same population

JacksinPA said:

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

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Shhhh, it is just gonna fade away, didn't you get the word? We need a National tweet line to all phones so we realty know the Real truth.
Sorry but this chit just makes me mad at the stupidity on display these days.

JacksinPA said:

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

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What's the mortality rate in Florida? How's about NY and New Jersey?

Barnacle said:

Obviously ... you can't read.

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I accept your surrender.

PIPEWRENCH said:

Maybe we need more protesting. I hear there might be something to this herd immunity. Plus Florida needs to get the death rate up to the standards of the Democrat run states like NY and PA. Maybe the governor should send the infected people back to the nursing homes like our governor in PA did to kill off all the elderly. I think NY governor did the same.

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Most protesters wear masks. What would really help would be more indoor trumpanzee hate rallies where no one wears masks.<sarcasm>

Helix said:

i hope that those in Florida who catch this are able to get treatment. i don't want to see anyone die of this ****.

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The numbers say they are not dying. If any of the bias media have courage to even post the numbers.

Barnacle said:

I didn't read the Reuter's article, but the headline alone is misleading ... as usual. The number of ICU beds and their relative staff were reduced when the "2,000,000 deaths" pandemic didn't happen. Same thing happened in our local hospital ... the "customers" never showed up - neither the COVID nor the regular ones. Staff were let go, units were closed, hospital income was getting real low. The reported number of available ICU beds shrank - for lack of use.

Elective surgery is back again and so are patients who should have gone to a hospital a lot earlier but were scared of contracting COVID in the hospital (I don't blame them for thinking that).


And with regard to Florida:

"... News 6 reached out to AdventHealth and Orlando Health, the regions largest healthcare providers ... Orlando Health Director of Public Affairs Kena Lewis said the AHCA dashboard is up to date with information provided by the hospitals but the numbers don’t reflect the overall bed capacity because, if needed, they can scale up to meet increased demand.

“In mid-March, as patient volumes declined and fewer beds were needed, Orlando Health began consolidating units to reduce the number of beds – including ICU beds – that were staffed and in operation. The current operational bed count is what we report to AHCA and what appears on their website. That number is not Orlando Health’s total bed capacity. Across all of our operations, we have nearly 3,300 beds. Nearly 200 of those are ICU beds and we have the capacity to surge up to 500 ICU beds if it becomes necessary,” ... If the need for additional beds grows, Orlando Health will re-open units ..."

Central Florida’s largest hospitals out of ICU beds but say they can scale up if COVID-19 demand increases


"The hospitals are not sounding the alarm, the media is."

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Excellent debunking.

upsideguy said:

Far too many people are measuring this by its mortality rate (which is pretty high), thinking the if you do not die from CV then you are fine. That is a recklessly ignorant position to be taking. There is much we do not know about this virus, including its long-term affects on one's respiratory system. The farther away you can stay from it, the better.



...and, if Trump had followed the guidance of the CDC and actually led, rather than cowering under his desk while undermining what the CDC had to say, we might have seen the same curve as the EU with the 1st wave behind us and the economy rebuilding. But, he did not.... so we are all in deep do do.

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You are right we do not know what may happen in the long run
people are thinking that if you have had it you can not get it again
well there is a town Sup. up in western NY that had it back in March and they ( his Dr's ) said he was well and over it well he was back in the Hosp. in the end of June and is now out
so as you said we do not know just what effects this will have on people over time
we will have to wait and see
Have a nice night

lurchadams said:

Most protesters wear masks. What would really help would be more indoor trumpanzee hate rallies where no one wears masks.<sarcasm>

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A few thousand at a rally where everyone had their temperature taken, were handed a mask, provided sanitizer, and were provided plenty of room to social distance is being compared to millions of protesters shoulder to shoulder all across this country spreading this disease and killing our loved ones. Now I've heard it all.

PIPEWRENCH said:

A few thousand at a rally where everyone had their temperature taken, were handed a mask, provided sanitizer, and were provided plenty of room to social distance is being compared to millions of protesters shoulder to shoulder all across this country spreading this disease and killing our loved ones. Now I've heard it all.

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Coronavirus Cases Skyrocketing In Tulsa Days Before Trump Rally

At a White House press briefing on Wednesday, Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said of those attending the rally “you assume a risk … that’s part of life,” while adding “this concern for the rallies has largely been absent when it came to the protesters,” referring to widespread protests following the death of George Floyd.

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Noem: No social distancing at Mount Rushmore celebration with Trump

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said despite health experts' concerns about a large gathering amid the coronavirus pandemic people would "not be social distancing" during a July 3 celebration at Mount Rushmore that will be attended by President Donald Trump.

In an interview with the Republican governor on Monday, Fox News host Laura Ingraham decried the cancellation of other Independence Day celebrations and asked Noem for her response to those citing health concerns "as the reason to cancel all of these patriotic displays?"

"You know Laura, in South Dakota, we've told people to focus on personal responsibility. Every one of them has the opportunity to make a decision that they're comfortable with. So, we will be having celebrations of American independence," Noem said. "We told those folks that have concerns that they can stay home. But those who want to come and join us, we'll be giving out free face masks, if they choose to wear one. But we won't be social distancing."

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Please provide me with any proof that any safety measures were followed or adhered to at either the OK or SD events.

I won't hold my breath.